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57. Yep, protectionism got us where we were, and globalism will just keep screwing us. nt
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  -Your Ideas, Please , DU....What Can Be Done (Right Now) To Save Our Economy? AzDar  Mar-16-08 11:25 AM   #0 
  - Annex China?  MNDemNY   Mar-16-08 11:26 AM   #1 
  - Ouch.  AzDar   Mar-16-08 11:27 AM   #2 
  - Just a thought.  MNDemNY   Mar-16-08 11:28 AM   #3 
  - They might be annexing us  NewJeffCT   Mar-17-08 10:12 AM   #157 
  - Conserve energy at home and work.  peace13   Mar-16-08 11:29 AM   #4 
  - Eat the rich.  scarletwoman   Mar-16-08 11:31 AM   #5 
  - We'll start with Bill Gates, although I suspect he'll be a bit 'stringy'.  AzDar   Mar-16-08 11:55 AM   #34 
  - I understand babies make a tasty and economical meal  peace frog   Mar-16-08 12:29 PM   #44 
  - Elect a Democrat and stop spending like a "Drunken Sailor"  FreakinDJ   Mar-16-08 11:32 AM   #6 
  - I don't know about that. I oppose the "Blue Dog" Democrats, who want to cut  Peace Patriot   Mar-16-08 02:23 PM   #69 
  - This will sound absurd, but honestly; limit the importation of plastic to half the current level  ThomWV   Mar-16-08 11:33 AM   #7 
  - Really?  AzDar   Mar-16-08 11:36 AM   #14 
     - Seriously.  ThomWV   Mar-16-08 11:40 AM   #22 
        - An excellent point. Is this a common school of thought , or your own idea?  AzDar   Mar-16-08 11:53 AM   #29 
        - Just one rambling thought from a babbling idiot.  ThomWV   Mar-16-08 01:22 PM   #58 
           - On the contrary, I think that's a fine idea that really ought to be passed along to someone  AzDar   Mar-16-08 03:18 PM   #79 
        - I see you dusted off the PHd in economics.......  FogerRox   Mar-16-08 02:22 PM   #68 
        - Plus, it might eliminate all that excess packaging and those gawdawful  Lorien   Mar-16-08 06:32 PM   #124 
  - Revive the manufacturing base  Bluzmann57   Mar-16-08 11:34 AM   #8 
  - The great lakes area plastics manufacturing industry used to be huge  ThomWV   Mar-16-08 11:35 AM   #12 
  - And with my plan, it could be again  Bluzmann57   Mar-16-08 11:37 AM   #17 
  - Plastics . . . are poisoning the planet --- let's reverse plastic . . .  defendandprotect   Mar-16-08 05:47 PM   #104 
     - Problem: everything now made from plastic was once made of...  Spider Jerusalem   Mar-17-08 02:00 PM   #169 
        - Yes.  ThomWV   Mar-17-08 03:31 PM   #173 
  - And close those "Post Office Box Banks" in the Caymans.  annabanana   Mar-16-08 11:38 AM   #18 
  - Even having our war toys made entirely in this country would help.  RC   Mar-16-08 01:00 PM   #51 
  - Let's stop buying "war toys" ---  defendandprotect   Mar-16-08 05:48 PM   #106 
  - Start taxing American corporations again --- in fact, don't let them back in --- !!!  defendandprotect   Mar-16-08 05:48 PM   #105 
  - Absolutely agree. This is essential!  AzDar   Mar-16-08 11:39 AM   #21 
  - I agree and  CelticWinter   Mar-16-08 11:55 AM   #33 
  - Let's make stuff again...  rucky   Mar-16-08 11:34 AM   #9 
  - Workers would be making things if we weren't importing so much (plastic)  ThomWV   Mar-16-08 11:38 AM   #19 
  - I heard there's great future in plastics...  rucky   Mar-16-08 12:14 PM   #41 
  - Yes! (nt)  scarletwoman   Mar-16-08 11:58 AM   #36 
  - Block the corporations who took their manufacturing OUT of America from returning . . .  defendandprotect   Mar-16-08 05:50 PM   #108 
  - I absolutely agree with you. I've been thinking about this for a long time.  Raksha   Mar-17-08 10:08 AM   #156 
  - Stop the useless wars  judy   Mar-16-08 11:34 AM   #10 
  - This would be my first action, if I were in charge: immediately pull troops out of Iraq.  AzDar   Mar-16-08 11:45 AM   #25 
     - Maybe there would be a way to stop this from happening...  judy   Mar-16-08 07:19 PM   #130 
  - Freeze Energy Prices  The River   Mar-16-08 11:35 AM   #11 
  - Create another bubble  Red Knight   Mar-16-08 11:35 AM   #13 
  - It's a giant swindling machine or Ponzi Scheme.  JanMichael   Mar-16-08 11:36 AM   #15 
  - You're on the right track.  greyhound1966   Mar-16-08 04:20 PM   #89 
  - exactly  katty   Mar-17-08 01:55 PM   #166 
  - ummm....what economy?  Spider Jerusalem   Mar-16-08 11:36 AM   #16 
  - Restructure taxes to their 60's level.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Mar-16-08 11:38 AM   #20 
  - Re-introduce regulations, get rid of the tax cuts, start jobs programs -  haele   Mar-16-08 11:44 AM   #23 
  - Nothing.  midnight armadillo   Mar-16-08 11:45 AM   #24 
  - I thing four major thrusts. First, an FDR-style public works initiative.  Jackpine Radical   Mar-16-08 11:45 AM   #26 
  - Just curious...  adsosletter   Mar-16-08 01:25 PM   #59 
  - Sure. But remember there's more than one kind of deficit.  Jackpine Radical   Mar-16-08 02:04 PM   #66 
  - FDR used deficit spending to create jobs and build infrastucture  FogerRox   Mar-16-08 02:31 PM   #70 
     - Exactly.  Jackpine Radical   Mar-16-08 03:15 PM   #78 
        - And returned to progressive taxation  FogerRox   Mar-16-08 03:32 PM   #80 
           - OK, OK--  Jackpine Radical   Mar-16-08 03:50 PM   #82 
              - Progressive taxation engages the working and middle classes in the economy  FogerRox   Mar-16-08 04:05 PM   #86 
  - Probably the best overall answer. But you forget progressive taxation  FogerRox   Mar-16-08 02:34 PM   #72 
  - We arre sorta thinking along the same lines-see post #125. n/t  Lorien   Mar-16-08 06:42 PM   #126 
  - Tax the rich and not the poor, no more money to Iraq profiteers, start social programs  Peake   Mar-16-08 11:49 AM   #27 
  - Wage and price controls.  Joanne98   Mar-16-08 11:52 AM   #28 
  - You might want to go back and see how things went when Nixon suggested that.  ThomWV   Mar-16-08 11:53 AM   #31 
     - I remember.  FogerRox   Mar-16-08 02:35 PM   #73 
  - End the war.  LWolf   Mar-16-08 11:53 AM   #30 
  - Get out of Iraq.  quantessd   Mar-16-08 05:03 PM   #93 
  - Hard regulation changes for banking, credit cards, energy health care industries  SoCalDem   Mar-16-08 11:54 AM   #32 
  - Haven't you been paying attention?  Earth_First   Mar-16-08 11:56 AM   #35 
  - Just a suggestion, don't know if it is doable, though  MissWaverly   Mar-16-08 12:03 PM   #37 
  - Short term, not much  OmahaBlueDog   Mar-16-08 12:07 PM   #38 
  - D. No - E. Hell No!  RC   Mar-16-08 02:32 PM   #71 
  - You can't continue giving benefits at 65 & 67  OmahaBlueDog   Mar-16-08 03:37 PM   #81 
     - I have two more years to go now before I can retire.  RC   Mar-16-08 05:05 PM   #95 
     - problem: no one wants to hire those over 50. What then?  kineneb   Mar-18-08 12:38 PM   #181 
  - OmahaBlueDog, you are true to your name. I heard these "Blue Dogs" on C-Span  Peace Patriot   Mar-16-08 04:58 PM   #92 
     - I'd pretty much rather have root canal than watch C-Span  OmahaBlueDog   Mar-16-08 06:49 PM   #128 
        - It was the day after the Nov 06 election. I was very excited about the Democratic sweep.  Peace Patriot   Mar-17-08 10:36 AM   #160 
           - That's lovely..  OmahaBlueDog   Mar-17-08 09:43 PM   #179 
              - The goal should not be cutting the deficit, the goal should be stimulating  Peace Patriot   Mar-18-08 05:29 PM   #184 
  - Destroy the Federal Reserve System  Ikonoklast   Mar-16-08 12:12 PM   #39 
  - What a horrible, horrible idea  HamdenRice   Mar-16-08 12:21 PM   #42 
     - Exactly  bicentennial_baby   Mar-16-08 12:39 PM   #46 
     - Never said to go back to the gold standard  Ikonoklast   Mar-16-08 12:53 PM   #49 
        - quote "Since the dollar isn't backed by precious metals anymore"  HamdenRice   Mar-16-08 01:00 PM   #50 
           - Check out the article in the NYT magazine about the SC  bicentennial_baby   Mar-16-08 01:05 PM   #53 
           - Point taken! Bad example, huh?  HamdenRice   Mar-16-08 01:09 PM   #54 
              - Heehee...  bicentennial_baby   Mar-16-08 01:12 PM   #56 
           - Actually, 'far-right wing nutjobs' established the Federal Reserve  Ikonoklast   Mar-16-08 01:11 PM   #55 
              - And as per usual, you get Crickets when you post something like this.  TheWatcher   Mar-16-08 04:34 PM   #91 
              - The Fed was set up for the benefit of private banks. Period.  Ikonoklast   Mar-16-08 05:29 PM   #99 
              - No, it wasn't  HamdenRice   Mar-16-08 05:31 PM   #101 
              - Perhaps you hear crickets because  HamdenRice   Mar-16-08 05:30 PM   #100 
              - Far right nutjobs like Woodrow Wilson & Democratic Congress of 1913 & FDR?  HamdenRice   Mar-16-08 05:28 PM   #98 
                 - You know about Jekyll Island, right?  Ikonoklast   Mar-16-08 05:38 PM   #102 
                    - And you know about the 1913 Democratic Congress, right?  HamdenRice   Mar-16-08 05:45 PM   #103 
                       - It was a Democratic Congress, but just as we can plainly see today,  greyhound1966   Mar-16-08 07:36 PM   #138 
                          - But once again, you get Crickets from the poster who thinks he knows everything about the Fed.  TheWatcher   Mar-17-08 04:17 AM   #147 
                             - I hope so too.  greyhound1966   Mar-17-08 02:00 PM   #168 
  - With Bush in office, nothing.  El Pinko   Mar-16-08 12:14 PM   #40 
  - Quit pretending that Wall Street is the be-all and end-all of human existence  MindPilot   Mar-16-08 12:23 PM   #43 
  - find a country with vast reserves of Euros  leftofthedial   Mar-16-08 12:36 PM   #45 
  - If by invade, you mean dropping things that go Kablooey, and if by...  MilesColtrane   Mar-17-08 09:47 AM   #154 
  - Oh, that's easy!  Peace Patriot   Mar-16-08 12:46 PM   #47 
  - i have several ideas  pitohui   Mar-16-08 12:48 PM   #48 
  - import tariffs and much higher minimum wage. nt  VotesForWomen   Mar-16-08 01:03 PM   #52 
  - Yep, protectionism got us where we were, and globalism will just keep screwing us. nt  bemildred   Mar-16-08 01:14 PM   #57 
     - A little protectionism is a good thing.  AzDar   Mar-16-08 01:26 PM   #60 
  - How about more recs for this great thread? I love seeing all the good ideas here! (nt)  scarletwoman   Mar-16-08 01:33 PM   #61 
  - Heres a kick so that you can keep enjoying this thread.  Angela Shelley   Mar-16-08 01:40 PM   #62 
  - Right now? Nothing.  lumberjack_jeff   Mar-16-08 01:44 PM   #63 
  - Lower the god damn gas prices.  EOO   Mar-16-08 01:52 PM   #64 
  - INVEST IN A NEW NEW DEAL  Beetwasher   Mar-16-08 02:01 PM   #65 
  - You want to save this blood sucking monster?  kickysnana   Mar-16-08 02:12 PM   #67 
  - Only Impeachment (yes, really)  Senator   Mar-16-08 02:37 PM   #74 
  - raise wages, control prices on health insurance until reform is in place  yurbud   Mar-16-08 02:39 PM   #75 
  - End Bush's illegal wars. We need to STOP the  L. Coyote   Mar-16-08 02:43 PM   #76 
  - Stop the war, which is costing $250 million a day, that's $1 billion every 4 days  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-16-08 02:45 PM   #77 
  - Get the fuck out of Iraq, re-establish our manufacturing base,  MadHound   Mar-16-08 03:54 PM   #83 
  - Form communes?  otherlander   Mar-16-08 04:02 PM   #84 
  - Best answer yet  IDemo   Mar-16-08 04:29 PM   #90 
  - The part about not asking me?  otherlander   Mar-17-08 02:32 PM   #172 
  - Communes have always fallen apart.  MATTMAN   Mar-16-08 05:50 PM   #109 
     - so have empires... jus' sayin'...  kineneb   Mar-18-08 12:43 PM   #182 
  - Ideas are fine but good ones must be implemented.  Karenina   Mar-16-08 04:03 PM   #85 
  - How about....  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Mar-16-08 04:11 PM   #87 
  - Dissolve the Federal Reserve, withdraw from the IMF, close all of the military bases  greyhound1966   Mar-16-08 04:17 PM   #88 
  - If we get rid of the Federal Reserve, we'll see investment banks and  Mike03   Mar-16-08 05:16 PM   #97 
  - The whole central banking system is a blatant Ponzi scheme and it's collapse  greyhound1966   Mar-16-08 06:02 PM   #118 
     - Which section and article of the Constitution is  Thothmes   Mar-16-08 09:37 PM   #144 
        - Section 8. n/t  greyhound1966   Mar-17-08 03:32 AM   #145 
           - Which edition of the Constitution do you have  Thothmes   Mar-17-08 07:03 AM   #149 
              - Sorry, I thought that would be enough, here's a link to an online version.  greyhound1966   Mar-17-08 01:01 PM   #161 
                 - That is a broad interpretation of "mandating an economic system"  Thothmes   Mar-17-08 07:51 PM   #175 
                    - That is completely beside the point, as is quibbling over the wording of  greyhound1966   Mar-18-08 11:01 AM   #180 
  - ALL of that and STOP the FED from printing money ---  defendandprotect   Mar-16-08 05:53 PM   #111 
     - Exactly. There is a very long list of things, in addition to those I listed, that needs to happen.  greyhound1966   Mar-16-08 06:05 PM   #120 
        - The owners of the country are way ahead of us in pre-planning . . .  defendandprotect   Mar-16-08 09:30 PM   #141 
  - Pull the plug on Capitalism. It has *no* unique virtues, but one gigantic, unique fault  bean fidhleir   Mar-16-08 05:05 PM   #94 
  - Capitalism is a ridiculous "KIng-of-the-Hill-System" ..... it's over . . . or it will kill us ----  defendandprotect   Mar-16-08 05:53 PM   #112 
  - up the minimum wage to $50/hr. N/T  DeadEyeDyck   Mar-17-08 08:51 PM   #177 
  - Eventually, We have to Pay Up  Mike03   Mar-16-08 05:09 PM   #96 
  - Bankrupting the Treasury is TREASON . . . impeach Bush ---  defendandprotect   Mar-16-08 05:54 PM   #114 
  - lower the national debt  MATTMAN   Mar-16-08 05:49 PM   #107 
  - NATIONALIZE THE OIL INDUSTRY . . . anyone miss the fact of what this possibly 100 year war is about?  defendandprotect   Mar-16-08 05:50 PM   #110 
  - Elect an intelligent President...  YvonneCa   Mar-16-08 05:54 PM   #113 
  - Leave IRAQ and Afghanistan immediately . ..  defendandprotect   Mar-16-08 05:56 PM   #115 
  - Move our currency from dollars to EUROS . . . !!!  defendandprotect   Mar-16-08 05:57 PM   #116 
  - You wouldn't be allowed in - too much debt, for one thing.  Ghost Dog   Mar-16-08 06:22 PM   #123 
     - Americans can move what they have to EUROS . . . why not?  defendandprotect   Mar-16-08 07:30 PM   #135 
  - Sad thing is, without a revolution, the wealthy, powerful, elite...  superkia   Mar-16-08 05:58 PM   #117 
  - the majority of people will die to defend the rights of the corporations  datasuspect   Mar-16-08 07:20 PM   #131 
  - Put all our money in weed.  Chovexani   Mar-16-08 06:03 PM   #119 
  - And legalize marijuana production and consumption (seriously)  Ghost Dog   Mar-16-08 06:07 PM   #121 
  - Tax Super Rich - This seemed to help during Clinton Adm.  pathansen   Mar-16-08 06:15 PM   #122 
  - I've posted this before with only one or two responses:  Lorien   Mar-16-08 06:36 PM   #125 
  - I like your National Prize idea  bean fidhleir   Mar-17-08 09:39 AM   #153 
     - They would be seen as far from mild by the ruling elite  Lorien   Mar-17-08 09:47 AM   #155 
  - Anyone collecting the ideas here and putting it up as a poll?  defendandprotect   Mar-16-08 06:45 PM   #127 
  - The US economy is sick, but it isn't dead  gravity   Mar-16-08 07:13 PM   #129 
  - Let me guess, you work in the financial industry.  greyhound1966   Mar-16-08 07:21 PM   #132 
     - guilty  gravity   Mar-16-08 07:37 PM   #139 
        - Thank you, I appreciate your forthrightness. n/t  greyhound1966   Mar-17-08 04:06 AM   #146 
  - Impeachment. nt  and-justice-for-all   Mar-16-08 07:24 PM   #133 
  - Everyone Accepts Reduced Investment Income in Favor of Debt Payment, CEOs Go Back to Making 400k  Crisco   Mar-16-08 07:25 PM   #134 
  - I definitely agree with you on the CEO pay.  Blue_In_AK   Mar-16-08 07:35 PM   #137 
  - Public works projects to rebuild infrastructure. Start making and building shit.  AP   Mar-16-08 07:33 PM   #136 
  - In a word, Nothing. The downward spiral has begun and it is rolling to fast to be stopped.  sarcasmo   Mar-16-08 07:38 PM   #140 
  - This time . . . let's not bail out capitalism nor capitalists. . . which means, STOP the FED ---  defendandprotect   Mar-16-08 09:32 PM   #142 
     - The Congress has to assume responsibility for these political decisions by the FED ---  defendandprotect   Mar-16-08 09:34 PM   #143 
  - a three-part plan . . .  OneBlueSky   Mar-17-08 04:31 AM   #148 
  - Maybe if we threw it down a well, or abducted it in Aruba, it would FINALLY GET ON THE F%#@ing NEWS  kenny blankenship   Mar-17-08 07:09 AM   #150 
  - Tax the rich, end the war, stop bailing out the corporate whores!  HughBeaumont   Mar-17-08 07:19 AM   #151 
  - Simple - Get back control of our essential economy  LeftHander   Mar-17-08 07:25 AM   #152 
  - Massive investment in infrastructure, plus  NewJeffCT   Mar-17-08 10:19 AM   #158 
  - End NAFTA.  EnviroBat   Mar-17-08 10:26 AM   #159 
  - Out of Iraq. Cut the Military budget by 70%. End the drug war. Legalize & TAX Marijuana. SPHC system  impeachdubya   Mar-17-08 01:03 PM   #162 
  - Jail the current cabal and disband the GOP.  Sentinel Chicken   Mar-17-08 01:29 PM   #163 
  - Well now that the dollar is worth shit  Geek_Girl   Mar-17-08 01:51 PM   #164 
  - Regulate the market.  Rex   Mar-17-08 01:52 PM   #165 
  - a moritorium on forclosures and an across the board interest rate cut for consumers.  notadmblnd   Mar-17-08 01:57 PM   #167 
  - raise wages and salaries  GTRMAN   Mar-17-08 02:03 PM   #170 
  - Let people deduct the interest they pay on their home.  yellerpup   Mar-17-08 02:12 PM   #171 
  - Invading Canada doesn't seem like such a crazy idea at the moment  slackmaster   Mar-17-08 03:33 PM   #174 
  - Elect Ralph Nader N/T  DeadEyeDyck   Mar-17-08 08:48 PM   #176 
  - Nationalize all natural resources, start a massive WPA type alternative energy  Zorra   Mar-17-08 09:38 PM   #178 
  - Study what FDR did (that worked) and repeat--why struggle for "new" programs?  librechik   Mar-18-08 01:21 PM   #183 
 

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