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96. Whoever gets the nomination gets my 2008 vote, but
I hope to high heaven that it isn't her. I intensely dislike her, I do not trust her in the slightest, and I am scared shitless that her candidacy will result in record turnout for the Repugs. I doubt it will for us - I already know people who say "if that bitch runs, I'll just stay the fuck home." I'll personally go vote for the Dem candidate even if it's her, but I understand the sentiment of these people and will be holding my nose as I pull the level for her.

If we have people like Edwards, Clark, Obama and others who might or might not run (Gore) and Hillary is who we wind up serving up to the American people, if that's the best we can muster up, then wow.
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  -In defense of Hillary. Don't support her primary bid but stop the "I'll never vote for her" nonsense Czolgosz  Feb-27-07 01:46 PM   #0 
  - Good post -- k&r  LostinVA   Feb-27-07 01:47 PM   #1 
  - I'll be voting for the most progressive anti-war candidate on the ballot.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-27-07 01:49 PM   #2 
  - Even if that vote increases the probability of a conservative winner?  kiahzero   Feb-27-07 01:55 PM   #9 
  - Shouldn't the question be "How willing are you to hold your nose?"  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-27-07 01:59 PM   #13 
  - You distinctly avoided answering my question  kiahzero   Feb-27-07 02:03 PM   #18 
     - I think that I, and Thomas Jefferson, answered your question quite well.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-27-07 02:08 PM   #21 
        - So, yes.  kiahzero   Feb-27-07 02:22 PM   #28 
           - I'm not.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-27-07 02:34 PM   #34 
              - Your vote has practical implications.  kiahzero   Feb-27-07 02:52 PM   #39 
                 - Your failure to vote for a candidate on the left has implications.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-27-07 02:59 PM   #40 
                    - Only if the anti-war candidate wins.  kiahzero   Feb-27-07 03:24 PM   #44 
                       - Quite right.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-27-07 03:33 PM   #47 
                          - I'm willing to accept the miniscule possibility that my vote might cause that.  kiahzero   Feb-27-07 03:37 PM   #49 
                             - Yes.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-27-07 04:22 PM   #59 
                                - Here's where the math comes in  kiahzero   Feb-27-07 04:37 PM   #62 
                                   - I'll take those odds.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-27-07 04:46 PM   #65 
                                      - That's your decision.  kiahzero   Feb-27-07 04:53 PM   #67 
                                         - The irony is that we lose no matter what.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-27-07 05:07 PM   #68 
                                            - So the war is the only issue that matters to you?  kiahzero   Feb-27-07 05:09 PM   #69 
                                               - At this time, it takes precedence over every other issue.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-27-07 05:20 PM   #74 
  - real question is who is most progressive candidate big business would allow to win  yurbud   Feb-28-07 12:25 AM   #82 
  - I'll be voting for the most progressive anti-war candidate on the primary ballot, and in the general  Czolgosz   Feb-27-07 02:41 PM   #37 
  - I'll support the nominee come 2008.  AX10   Feb-27-07 01:49 PM   #3 
  - Still she's quite gung-ho about a war against Iran  truedelphi   Feb-27-07 01:49 PM   #4 
  - But compare her to Giuliani, McCain, and Romney - electing Rudy McRomney would be mean endless war  Czolgosz   Feb-27-07 02:50 PM   #38 
     - A war against Iran would make meaningless any of her  truedelphi   Feb-27-07 08:32 PM   #75 
        - I agree, but war with Iran is so much more likely under a Romney, McCain, or Giuliani administration  Czolgosz   Feb-28-07 10:37 AM   #83 
           - What are youi smoking!! Her stance on Iran is the same  truedelphi   Feb-28-07 11:10 AM   #84 
              - And you think McCain, Giuliani, or Romney would be less likely to attack Iran because .............?  Czolgosz   Feb-28-07 01:54 PM   #85 
                 - How is the fact that I wouldn't vote 4 HRC proof that I would vote for  truedelphi   Mar-01-07 10:37 AM   #86 
                    - I sincerely hope you wouldn't vote for McCain, Giuliani, or Romney, but every vote to defeat them  Czolgosz   Mar-01-07 11:27 AM   #90 
  - I agree with that, It's ok to not want to see her win the Primary, but  oldtimecanuk   Feb-27-07 01:51 PM   #5 
  - I'll vote for her if she's nominated, but I'm not looking forward to another four years of  WI_DEM   Feb-27-07 01:52 PM   #6 
  - wow, a well-reasoned post about Hillary Clinton  quinnox   Feb-27-07 01:54 PM   #7 
  - I don't support Hillary, but I agree with you.  Goblinmonger   Feb-27-07 01:55 PM   #8 
  - Good post, I certainly don't see any Democrat voting Republic....  oldtimecanuk   Feb-27-07 02:00 PM   #16 
  - nope....shes a pro war corporate finger in the air  ORDagnabbit   Feb-27-07 01:56 PM   #10 
  - I'm also dismayed with her views on the war, but unless Ron Paul gets the Repub nomination (and hell  Czolgosz   Feb-27-07 02:17 PM   #25 
     - Ron Paul is pretty aweseome!!! He and Kucinich should get  ORDagnabbit   Feb-27-07 02:18 PM   #26 
        - Actually, if Paul was going to get on a unity ticket, he ought to hook up with Mike Gravel  Czolgosz   Feb-27-07 02:20 PM   #27 
  - Please don't run her. n/t  sfexpat2000   Feb-27-07 01:56 PM   #11 
  - Her voting is 80% progressive  Warpy   Feb-27-07 01:57 PM   #12 
  - Oh well, if some aggregate index of what some guys on the Internet  JackRiddler   Feb-27-07 02:22 PM   #30 
     - Oh my god let me correct that!  JackRiddler   Feb-27-07 02:38 PM   #35 
     - her husband was in the hospital having heart surgury  paulk   Feb-27-07 04:03 PM   #53 
     - I didn't know!  JackRiddler   Feb-27-07 04:18 PM   #57 
     - actually, she did vote for the 2001 bankruptcy bill  cosmicdot   Feb-28-07 12:13 AM   #80 
        - Can you clear up my confusion?/ I have always maintained that  truedelphi   Mar-01-07 10:40 AM   #88 
           - Hillary publicly opposed the bankruptcy bill but Bill was having open heart surgery on the day of  Czolgosz   Mar-01-07 11:13 AM   #89 
              - Thank you. Fully clear. IF that excuse for missing a vote is not  truedelphi   Mar-01-07 12:29 PM   #95 
     - Check, the website I posted  Warpy   Feb-27-07 04:32 PM   #61 
  - Hillary supports shipping high tech jobs to India  Larkspur   Feb-27-07 01:59 PM   #14 
  - She's not as supportive of fair trade as Edwards or Kucinich or Clark but she voted against CAFTA  Czolgosz   Feb-27-07 03:00 PM   #41 
  - I most likely won't vote for HIllary in the general election  Geek_Girl   Feb-27-07 04:03 PM   #54 
     - I hope you don't vote for Hillary in the general election because I hope you have the chance to vote  Czolgosz   Feb-27-07 04:21 PM   #58 
  - I'll never hold my nose and vote again. Dems do not have a birth-right to my vote.  Beelzebud   Feb-27-07 02:00 PM   #15 
  - I am actually less afraid she would start a war than other Dem candidates  The Count   Feb-27-07 02:01 PM   #17 
  - Agreed. But Hillary gets a cabinet post! Maybe Health/Human Services...  philly_bob   Feb-27-07 02:07 PM   #19 
  - I am not sup[porting her in the Primary  mitchtv   Feb-27-07 02:07 PM   #20 
  - Rec 5 & K  Mark E. Smith   Feb-27-07 02:10 PM   #22 
  - Replace Hillary with Lieberman in your last sentence.  CTD   Feb-27-07 02:15 PM   #23 
  - Thenks mucho REC  rodeodance   Feb-27-07 02:15 PM   #24 
  - Kick ass post my friend!  xultar   Feb-27-07 02:22 PM   #29 
  - Another Kick for this reasoned post  GoneOffShore   Feb-27-07 02:23 PM   #31 
  - Hillary didn't vote for or against the bankruptcy bill. She was "conveniently" absent then!  calipendence   Feb-27-07 02:31 PM   #32 
  - KnR - Probably my last choice, but still a Dem  Laurab   Feb-27-07 02:32 PM   #33 
  - Sorry, but such blind, lockstep thinking only insures that our candidates will be worse and worse  MadHound   Feb-27-07 02:40 PM   #36 
  - I agree that we deserve better than Hillary, but we also deserve to make that case in the primary  Czolgosz   Feb-27-07 03:34 PM   #48 
  - Why do you that Obama is far from a true progressive?  Heaven and Earth   Feb-27-07 03:03 PM   #42 
  - There is a very good discussion of why Obama is a bit less progressive than I might hope for here:  Czolgosz   Feb-27-07 03:18 PM   #43 
     - Then there is his actual record:  retread   Feb-27-07 04:01 PM   #52 
  - No. YOU don't tell ME who to vote for.  Zhade   Feb-27-07 03:25 PM   #45 
  - Hear, hear!  notsodumbhillbilly   Feb-27-07 03:31 PM   #46 
  - I remember when people could speak their mind here  koopie57   Feb-27-07 04:12 PM   #55 
  - What Zhade said!  ShortnFiery   Feb-27-07 04:13 PM   #56 
  - Hint: DEMOCRATIC Underground  kiahzero   Feb-27-07 04:38 PM   #63 
     - How about as in "valuing the principles of democracy"  LeftyMom   Feb-27-07 08:48 PM   #76 
     - Because she'd still be better than the other guy?  kiahzero   Feb-27-07 10:46 PM   #78 
     - Apparently we have a different definition of "responsibly"  LeftyMom   Feb-27-07 11:30 PM   #79 
     - ...  tammywammy   Mar-01-07 12:00 PM   #93 
     - everyone assumes that Hillary will be the primary winner. that is  roguevalley   Feb-27-07 09:38 PM   #77 
  - I conducted a pretty informal poll today in the Bronx  cgrindley   Feb-27-07 03:43 PM   #50 
  - That's the Bronx  GoneOffShore   Feb-27-07 03:51 PM   #51 
  - Well done.  Nightjock   Feb-27-07 04:25 PM   #60 
  - Thank you, Czolgosz. HRC is well liked on the outside. I don't think  Alamom   Feb-27-07 04:44 PM   #64 
  - I Know You Mean Well And I Agree Completely, But There Will Always Be Some Too Stubborn And Narrow  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-27-07 04:48 PM   #66 
  - Yeah, and there will always be some who will always roll over and  NDP   Feb-27-07 05:14 PM   #72 
     - Answer One Simple Question: Do You Think The Repub Being Elected Will Be Better For Our Country?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-27-07 05:15 PM   #73 
     - Answer one question for me: Does the country have to be led by a Clinton or a Bush?  NDP   Mar-01-07 11:46 AM   #91 
     - I for one refuse to roll over n/t  truedelphi   Mar-01-07 10:38 AM   #87 
  - I will not be voting for a Bush or Clinton in 2008  NDP   Feb-27-07 05:11 PM   #70 
  - NEVER...  helderheid   Feb-27-07 05:12 PM   #71 
  - No comment -- n/t  PhilipShore   Feb-28-07 12:20 AM   #81 
  - never  mdmc   Mar-01-07 11:47 AM   #92 
  - she is worse as she is tied into the cabal  natrat   Mar-01-07 12:26 PM   #94 
  - Whoever gets the nomination gets my 2008 vote, but  Zavulon   Mar-01-07 01:01 PM   #96 
 

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