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Tue Feb-27-07 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #45 |
| -In defense of Hillary. Don't support her primary bid but stop the "I'll never vote for her" nonsense |
Czolgosz |
Feb-27-07 01:46 PM |
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Good post -- k&r |
LostinVA |
Feb-27-07 01:47 PM |
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I'll be voting for the most progressive anti-war candidate on the ballot. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Feb-27-07 01:49 PM |
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Even if that vote increases the probability of a conservative winner? |
kiahzero |
Feb-27-07 01:55 PM |
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Shouldn't the question be "How willing are you to hold your nose?" |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Feb-27-07 01:59 PM |
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You distinctly avoided answering my question |
kiahzero |
Feb-27-07 02:03 PM |
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I think that I, and Thomas Jefferson, answered your question quite well. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Feb-27-07 02:08 PM |
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So, yes. |
kiahzero |
Feb-27-07 02:22 PM |
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I'm not. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Feb-27-07 02:34 PM |
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Your vote has practical implications. |
kiahzero |
Feb-27-07 02:52 PM |
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Your failure to vote for a candidate on the left has implications. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Feb-27-07 02:59 PM |
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Only if the anti-war candidate wins. |
kiahzero |
Feb-27-07 03:24 PM |
#44 |
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Quite right. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Feb-27-07 03:33 PM |
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I'm willing to accept the miniscule possibility that my vote might cause that. |
kiahzero |
Feb-27-07 03:37 PM |
#49 |
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Yes. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Feb-27-07 04:22 PM |
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Here's where the math comes in |
kiahzero |
Feb-27-07 04:37 PM |
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I'll take those odds. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Feb-27-07 04:46 PM |
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That's your decision. |
kiahzero |
Feb-27-07 04:53 PM |
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The irony is that we lose no matter what. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Feb-27-07 05:07 PM |
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So the war is the only issue that matters to you? |
kiahzero |
Feb-27-07 05:09 PM |
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At this time, it takes precedence over every other issue. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Feb-27-07 05:20 PM |
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real question is who is most progressive candidate big business would allow to win |
yurbud |
Feb-28-07 12:25 AM |
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I'll be voting for the most progressive anti-war candidate on the primary ballot, and in the general |
Czolgosz |
Feb-27-07 02:41 PM |
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I'll support the nominee come 2008. |
AX10 |
Feb-27-07 01:49 PM |
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Still she's quite gung-ho about a war against Iran |
truedelphi |
Feb-27-07 01:49 PM |
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But compare her to Giuliani, McCain, and Romney - electing Rudy McRomney would be mean endless war |
Czolgosz |
Feb-27-07 02:50 PM |
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A war against Iran would make meaningless any of her |
truedelphi |
Feb-27-07 08:32 PM |
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I agree, but war with Iran is so much more likely under a Romney, McCain, or Giuliani administration |
Czolgosz |
Feb-28-07 10:37 AM |
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What are youi smoking!! Her stance on Iran is the same |
truedelphi |
Feb-28-07 11:10 AM |
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And you think McCain, Giuliani, or Romney would be less likely to attack Iran because .............? |
Czolgosz |
Feb-28-07 01:54 PM |
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How is the fact that I wouldn't vote 4 HRC proof that I would vote for |
truedelphi |
Mar-01-07 10:37 AM |
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I sincerely hope you wouldn't vote for McCain, Giuliani, or Romney, but every vote to defeat them |
Czolgosz |
Mar-01-07 11:27 AM |
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I agree with that, It's ok to not want to see her win the Primary, but |
oldtimecanuk |
Feb-27-07 01:51 PM |
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I'll vote for her if she's nominated, but I'm not looking forward to another four years of |
WI_DEM |
Feb-27-07 01:52 PM |
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wow, a well-reasoned post about Hillary Clinton |
quinnox |
Feb-27-07 01:54 PM |
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I don't support Hillary, but I agree with you. |
Goblinmonger |
Feb-27-07 01:55 PM |
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Good post, I certainly don't see any Democrat voting Republic.... |
oldtimecanuk |
Feb-27-07 02:00 PM |
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nope....shes a pro war corporate finger in the air |
ORDagnabbit |
Feb-27-07 01:56 PM |
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I'm also dismayed with her views on the war, but unless Ron Paul gets the Repub nomination (and hell |
Czolgosz |
Feb-27-07 02:17 PM |
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Ron Paul is pretty aweseome!!! He and Kucinich should get |
ORDagnabbit |
Feb-27-07 02:18 PM |
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Actually, if Paul was going to get on a unity ticket, he ought to hook up with Mike Gravel |
Czolgosz |
Feb-27-07 02:20 PM |
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Please don't run her. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-27-07 01:56 PM |
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Her voting is 80% progressive |
Warpy |
Feb-27-07 01:57 PM |
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Oh well, if some aggregate index of what some guys on the Internet |
JackRiddler |
Feb-27-07 02:22 PM |
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Oh my god let me correct that! |
JackRiddler |
Feb-27-07 02:38 PM |
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her husband was in the hospital having heart surgury |
paulk |
Feb-27-07 04:03 PM |
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I didn't know! |
JackRiddler |
Feb-27-07 04:18 PM |
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actually, she did vote for the 2001 bankruptcy bill |
cosmicdot |
Feb-28-07 12:13 AM |
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Can you clear up my confusion?/ I have always maintained that |
truedelphi |
Mar-01-07 10:40 AM |
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Hillary publicly opposed the bankruptcy bill but Bill was having open heart surgery on the day of |
Czolgosz |
Mar-01-07 11:13 AM |
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Thank you. Fully clear. IF that excuse for missing a vote is not |
truedelphi |
Mar-01-07 12:29 PM |
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Check, the website I posted |
Warpy |
Feb-27-07 04:32 PM |
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Hillary supports shipping high tech jobs to India |
Larkspur |
Feb-27-07 01:59 PM |
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She's not as supportive of fair trade as Edwards or Kucinich or Clark but she voted against CAFTA |
Czolgosz |
Feb-27-07 03:00 PM |
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I most likely won't vote for HIllary in the general election |
Geek_Girl |
Feb-27-07 04:03 PM |
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I hope you don't vote for Hillary in the general election because I hope you have the chance to vote |
Czolgosz |
Feb-27-07 04:21 PM |
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I'll never hold my nose and vote again. Dems do not have a birth-right to my vote. |
Beelzebud |
Feb-27-07 02:00 PM |
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I am actually less afraid she would start a war than other Dem candidates |
The Count |
Feb-27-07 02:01 PM |
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Agreed. But Hillary gets a cabinet post! Maybe Health/Human Services... |
philly_bob |
Feb-27-07 02:07 PM |
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I am not sup[porting her in the Primary |
mitchtv |
Feb-27-07 02:07 PM |
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Rec 5 & K |
Mark E. Smith |
Feb-27-07 02:10 PM |
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Replace Hillary with Lieberman in your last sentence. |
CTD |
Feb-27-07 02:15 PM |
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Thenks mucho REC |
rodeodance |
Feb-27-07 02:15 PM |
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Kick ass post my friend! |
xultar |
Feb-27-07 02:22 PM |
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Another Kick for this reasoned post |
GoneOffShore |
Feb-27-07 02:23 PM |
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Hillary didn't vote for or against the bankruptcy bill. She was "conveniently" absent then! |
calipendence |
Feb-27-07 02:31 PM |
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KnR - Probably my last choice, but still a Dem |
Laurab |
Feb-27-07 02:32 PM |
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Sorry, but such blind, lockstep thinking only insures that our candidates will be worse and worse |
MadHound |
Feb-27-07 02:40 PM |
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I agree that we deserve better than Hillary, but we also deserve to make that case in the primary |
Czolgosz |
Feb-27-07 03:34 PM |
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Why do you that Obama is far from a true progressive? |
Heaven and Earth |
Feb-27-07 03:03 PM |
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There is a very good discussion of why Obama is a bit less progressive than I might hope for here: |
Czolgosz |
Feb-27-07 03:18 PM |
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Then there is his actual record: |
retread |
Feb-27-07 04:01 PM |
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No. YOU don't tell ME who to vote for. |
Zhade |
Feb-27-07 03:25 PM |
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Hear, hear! |
notsodumbhillbilly |
Feb-27-07 03:31 PM |
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I remember when people could speak their mind here |
koopie57 |
Feb-27-07 04:12 PM |
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What Zhade said! |
ShortnFiery |
Feb-27-07 04:13 PM |
#56 |
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Hint: DEMOCRATIC Underground |
kiahzero |
Feb-27-07 04:38 PM |
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How about as in "valuing the principles of democracy" |
LeftyMom |
Feb-27-07 08:48 PM |
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Because she'd still be better than the other guy? |
kiahzero |
Feb-27-07 10:46 PM |
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Apparently we have a different definition of "responsibly" |
LeftyMom |
Feb-27-07 11:30 PM |
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... |
tammywammy |
Mar-01-07 12:00 PM |
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everyone assumes that Hillary will be the primary winner. that is |
roguevalley |
Feb-27-07 09:38 PM |
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I conducted a pretty informal poll today in the Bronx |
cgrindley |
Feb-27-07 03:43 PM |
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That's the Bronx |
GoneOffShore |
Feb-27-07 03:51 PM |
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Well done. |
Nightjock |
Feb-27-07 04:25 PM |
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Thank you, Czolgosz. HRC is well liked on the outside. I don't think |
Alamom |
Feb-27-07 04:44 PM |
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I Know You Mean Well And I Agree Completely, But There Will Always Be Some Too Stubborn And Narrow |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-27-07 04:48 PM |
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Yeah, and there will always be some who will always roll over and |
NDP |
Feb-27-07 05:14 PM |
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Answer One Simple Question: Do You Think The Repub Being Elected Will Be Better For Our Country? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-27-07 05:15 PM |
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Answer one question for me: Does the country have to be led by a Clinton or a Bush? |
NDP |
Mar-01-07 11:46 AM |
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I for one refuse to roll over n/t |
truedelphi |
Mar-01-07 10:38 AM |
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I will not be voting for a Bush or Clinton in 2008 |
NDP |
Feb-27-07 05:11 PM |
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NEVER... |
helderheid |
Feb-27-07 05:12 PM |
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No comment -- n/t |
PhilipShore |
Feb-28-07 12:20 AM |
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never |
mdmc |
Mar-01-07 11:47 AM |
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she is worse as she is tied into the cabal |
natrat |
Mar-01-07 12:26 PM |
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Whoever gets the nomination gets my 2008 vote, but |
Zavulon |
Mar-01-07 01:01 PM |
#96 |
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