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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #40
44. Only if the anti-war candidate wins.
If a candidate that will not end the war immediately is going to be elected regardless of my vote, then my vote has no bearing on the war ending.
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  -In defense of Hillary. Don't support her primary bid but stop the "I'll never vote for her" nonsense Czolgosz  Feb-27-07 01:46 PM   #0 
  - Good post -- k&r  LostinVA   Feb-27-07 01:47 PM   #1 
  - I'll be voting for the most progressive anti-war candidate on the ballot.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-27-07 01:49 PM   #2 
  - Even if that vote increases the probability of a conservative winner?  kiahzero   Feb-27-07 01:55 PM   #9 
  - Shouldn't the question be "How willing are you to hold your nose?"  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-27-07 01:59 PM   #13 
  - You distinctly avoided answering my question  kiahzero   Feb-27-07 02:03 PM   #18 
     - I think that I, and Thomas Jefferson, answered your question quite well.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-27-07 02:08 PM   #21 
        - So, yes.  kiahzero   Feb-27-07 02:22 PM   #28 
           - I'm not.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-27-07 02:34 PM   #34 
              - Your vote has practical implications.  kiahzero   Feb-27-07 02:52 PM   #39 
                 - Your failure to vote for a candidate on the left has implications.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-27-07 02:59 PM   #40 
                    - Only if the anti-war candidate wins.  kiahzero   Feb-27-07 03:24 PM   #44 
                       - Quite right.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-27-07 03:33 PM   #47 
                          - I'm willing to accept the miniscule possibility that my vote might cause that.  kiahzero   Feb-27-07 03:37 PM   #49 
                             - Yes.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-27-07 04:22 PM   #59 
                                - Here's where the math comes in  kiahzero   Feb-27-07 04:37 PM   #62 
                                   - I'll take those odds.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-27-07 04:46 PM   #65 
                                      - That's your decision.  kiahzero   Feb-27-07 04:53 PM   #67 
                                         - The irony is that we lose no matter what.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-27-07 05:07 PM   #68 
                                            - So the war is the only issue that matters to you?  kiahzero   Feb-27-07 05:09 PM   #69 
                                               - At this time, it takes precedence over every other issue.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Feb-27-07 05:20 PM   #74 
  - real question is who is most progressive candidate big business would allow to win  yurbud   Feb-28-07 12:25 AM   #82 
  - I'll be voting for the most progressive anti-war candidate on the primary ballot, and in the general  Czolgosz   Feb-27-07 02:41 PM   #37 
  - I'll support the nominee come 2008.  AX10   Feb-27-07 01:49 PM   #3 
  - Still she's quite gung-ho about a war against Iran  truedelphi   Feb-27-07 01:49 PM   #4 
  - But compare her to Giuliani, McCain, and Romney - electing Rudy McRomney would be mean endless war  Czolgosz   Feb-27-07 02:50 PM   #38 
     - A war against Iran would make meaningless any of her  truedelphi   Feb-27-07 08:32 PM   #75 
        - I agree, but war with Iran is so much more likely under a Romney, McCain, or Giuliani administration  Czolgosz   Feb-28-07 10:37 AM   #83 
           - What are youi smoking!! Her stance on Iran is the same  truedelphi   Feb-28-07 11:10 AM   #84 
              - And you think McCain, Giuliani, or Romney would be less likely to attack Iran because .............?  Czolgosz   Feb-28-07 01:54 PM   #85 
                 - How is the fact that I wouldn't vote 4 HRC proof that I would vote for  truedelphi   Mar-01-07 10:37 AM   #86 
                    - I sincerely hope you wouldn't vote for McCain, Giuliani, or Romney, but every vote to defeat them  Czolgosz   Mar-01-07 11:27 AM   #90 
  - I agree with that, It's ok to not want to see her win the Primary, but  oldtimecanuk   Feb-27-07 01:51 PM   #5 
  - I'll vote for her if she's nominated, but I'm not looking forward to another four years of  WI_DEM   Feb-27-07 01:52 PM   #6 
  - wow, a well-reasoned post about Hillary Clinton  quinnox   Feb-27-07 01:54 PM   #7 
  - I don't support Hillary, but I agree with you.  Goblinmonger   Feb-27-07 01:55 PM   #8 
  - Good post, I certainly don't see any Democrat voting Republic....  oldtimecanuk   Feb-27-07 02:00 PM   #16 
  - nope....shes a pro war corporate finger in the air  ORDagnabbit   Feb-27-07 01:56 PM   #10 
  - I'm also dismayed with her views on the war, but unless Ron Paul gets the Repub nomination (and hell  Czolgosz   Feb-27-07 02:17 PM   #25 
     - Ron Paul is pretty aweseome!!! He and Kucinich should get  ORDagnabbit   Feb-27-07 02:18 PM   #26 
        - Actually, if Paul was going to get on a unity ticket, he ought to hook up with Mike Gravel  Czolgosz   Feb-27-07 02:20 PM   #27 
  - Please don't run her. n/t  sfexpat2000   Feb-27-07 01:56 PM   #11 
  - Her voting is 80% progressive  Warpy   Feb-27-07 01:57 PM   #12 
  - Oh well, if some aggregate index of what some guys on the Internet  JackRiddler   Feb-27-07 02:22 PM   #30 
     - Oh my god let me correct that!  JackRiddler   Feb-27-07 02:38 PM   #35 
     - her husband was in the hospital having heart surgury  paulk   Feb-27-07 04:03 PM   #53 
     - I didn't know!  JackRiddler   Feb-27-07 04:18 PM   #57 
     - actually, she did vote for the 2001 bankruptcy bill  cosmicdot   Feb-28-07 12:13 AM   #80 
        - Can you clear up my confusion?/ I have always maintained that  truedelphi   Mar-01-07 10:40 AM   #88 
           - Hillary publicly opposed the bankruptcy bill but Bill was having open heart surgery on the day of  Czolgosz   Mar-01-07 11:13 AM   #89 
              - Thank you. Fully clear. IF that excuse for missing a vote is not  truedelphi   Mar-01-07 12:29 PM   #95 
     - Check, the website I posted  Warpy   Feb-27-07 04:32 PM   #61 
  - Hillary supports shipping high tech jobs to India  Larkspur   Feb-27-07 01:59 PM   #14 
  - She's not as supportive of fair trade as Edwards or Kucinich or Clark but she voted against CAFTA  Czolgosz   Feb-27-07 03:00 PM   #41 
  - I most likely won't vote for HIllary in the general election  Geek_Girl   Feb-27-07 04:03 PM   #54 
     - I hope you don't vote for Hillary in the general election because I hope you have the chance to vote  Czolgosz   Feb-27-07 04:21 PM   #58 
  - I'll never hold my nose and vote again. Dems do not have a birth-right to my vote.  Beelzebud   Feb-27-07 02:00 PM   #15 
  - I am actually less afraid she would start a war than other Dem candidates  The Count   Feb-27-07 02:01 PM   #17 
  - Agreed. But Hillary gets a cabinet post! Maybe Health/Human Services...  philly_bob   Feb-27-07 02:07 PM   #19 
  - I am not sup[porting her in the Primary  mitchtv   Feb-27-07 02:07 PM   #20 
  - Rec 5 & K  Mark E. Smith   Feb-27-07 02:10 PM   #22 
  - Replace Hillary with Lieberman in your last sentence.  CTD   Feb-27-07 02:15 PM   #23 
  - Thenks mucho REC  rodeodance   Feb-27-07 02:15 PM   #24 
  - Kick ass post my friend!  xultar   Feb-27-07 02:22 PM   #29 
  - Another Kick for this reasoned post  GoneOffShore   Feb-27-07 02:23 PM   #31 
  - Hillary didn't vote for or against the bankruptcy bill. She was "conveniently" absent then!  calipendence   Feb-27-07 02:31 PM   #32 
  - KnR - Probably my last choice, but still a Dem  Laurab   Feb-27-07 02:32 PM   #33 
  - Sorry, but such blind, lockstep thinking only insures that our candidates will be worse and worse  MadHound   Feb-27-07 02:40 PM   #36 
  - I agree that we deserve better than Hillary, but we also deserve to make that case in the primary  Czolgosz   Feb-27-07 03:34 PM   #48 
  - Why do you that Obama is far from a true progressive?  Heaven and Earth   Feb-27-07 03:03 PM   #42 
  - There is a very good discussion of why Obama is a bit less progressive than I might hope for here:  Czolgosz   Feb-27-07 03:18 PM   #43 
     - Then there is his actual record:  retread   Feb-27-07 04:01 PM   #52 
  - No. YOU don't tell ME who to vote for.  Zhade   Feb-27-07 03:25 PM   #45 
  - Hear, hear!  notsodumbhillbilly   Feb-27-07 03:31 PM   #46 
  - I remember when people could speak their mind here  koopie57   Feb-27-07 04:12 PM   #55 
  - What Zhade said!  ShortnFiery   Feb-27-07 04:13 PM   #56 
  - Hint: DEMOCRATIC Underground  kiahzero   Feb-27-07 04:38 PM   #63 
     - How about as in "valuing the principles of democracy"  LeftyMom   Feb-27-07 08:48 PM   #76 
     - Because she'd still be better than the other guy?  kiahzero   Feb-27-07 10:46 PM   #78 
     - Apparently we have a different definition of "responsibly"  LeftyMom   Feb-27-07 11:30 PM   #79 
     - ...  tammywammy   Mar-01-07 12:00 PM   #93 
     - everyone assumes that Hillary will be the primary winner. that is  roguevalley   Feb-27-07 09:38 PM   #77 
  - I conducted a pretty informal poll today in the Bronx  cgrindley   Feb-27-07 03:43 PM   #50 
  - That's the Bronx  GoneOffShore   Feb-27-07 03:51 PM   #51 
  - Well done.  Nightjock   Feb-27-07 04:25 PM   #60 
  - Thank you, Czolgosz. HRC is well liked on the outside. I don't think  Alamom   Feb-27-07 04:44 PM   #64 
  - I Know You Mean Well And I Agree Completely, But There Will Always Be Some Too Stubborn And Narrow  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-27-07 04:48 PM   #66 
  - Yeah, and there will always be some who will always roll over and  NDP   Feb-27-07 05:14 PM   #72 
     - Answer One Simple Question: Do You Think The Repub Being Elected Will Be Better For Our Country?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-27-07 05:15 PM   #73 
     - Answer one question for me: Does the country have to be led by a Clinton or a Bush?  NDP   Mar-01-07 11:46 AM   #91 
     - I for one refuse to roll over n/t  truedelphi   Mar-01-07 10:38 AM   #87 
  - I will not be voting for a Bush or Clinton in 2008  NDP   Feb-27-07 05:11 PM   #70 
  - NEVER...  helderheid   Feb-27-07 05:12 PM   #71 
  - No comment -- n/t  PhilipShore   Feb-28-07 12:20 AM   #81 
  - never  mdmc   Mar-01-07 11:47 AM   #92 
  - she is worse as she is tied into the cabal  natrat   Mar-01-07 12:26 PM   #94 
  - Whoever gets the nomination gets my 2008 vote, but  Zavulon   Mar-01-07 01:01 PM   #96 
 

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