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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:44 PM
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158. No, they don't
They want to protect the "unborn child." They couldn't give two shits about the woman.

I want to be sure we're on the same page with the definition of a "right." I do not think prostitutes should be jailed. I think they should have the legal "right" to do what they do. I would support decriminalization of it. But I do not support government sanction of it.

People are institutionalized for severe schizophrenia and other disorders that render them unable to perceive reality. That's it. Your "garden variety" depressive, bipolar, etc. people are not institutionalized, nor should they be. But these conditions and others do play havoc with their judgment.

An adult has the legal right to become an alcoholic, or to commit suicide. Ideally one should have the legal right to become addicted to marijuana or other drugs, and it's unfortunate that these behaviors result in jail time. But I do think that such destructive decisions should be prevented by social services whenever possible. I'm sorry that you disagree. But whether you like it or not, "leave people to exercise their right to harm themselves" is a libertarian philosophy.
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  -It's easy for us men to say "legalize prostitution." What do you women think about this issue? Mike03  Mar-11-08 08:03 PM   #0 
  - Yes. Why not?  emilyg   Mar-11-08 08:05 PM   #1 
  - this woman says  eShirl   Mar-11-08 08:05 PM   #2 
  - legalize prostitution, make adultery illegal  NYCALIZ   Mar-11-08 08:06 PM   #3 
  - hehe good one :) n/t  canadian_is_cold   Mar-11-08 09:45 PM   #36 
  - I agree,  goddess40   Mar-12-08 07:10 AM   #73 
  - Legalize it. It's the only way to reduce the victimization inherent in criminal control.  mcscajun   Mar-11-08 08:08 PM   #4 
  - Legalize, regulate, unionize and tax the income  aphopkin   Mar-12-08 05:39 AM   #61 
  - Spot on post  LostinVA   Mar-12-08 09:29 AM   #85 
  - That's the only reason that I see to legalize it...  Dorian Gray   Mar-12-08 07:50 PM   #140 
  - I think in Nevada safe sex is pretty standard in the brothels  XemaSab   Mar-12-08 08:54 PM   #149 
  - Not true. It can and has increased victimization.  CTyankee   Mar-13-08 12:09 PM   #184 
     - Thank you for this excellent article.  Big Blue Marble   Mar-13-08 01:22 PM   #189 
  - Absolutely. Legal, regulated for health and safety, taxed, and  grannylib   Mar-11-08 08:08 PM   #5 
  - Wife. Still say legalize prostitution. Not to say I wouldn't be furious if my hubby looked for fun  peacebird   Mar-11-08 08:08 PM   #6 
  - Agree with others here: Legalize it. Regulate it. Hell, Unionize it!  PeaceNikki   Mar-11-08 08:12 PM   #7 
  - If my husband ever went to one, I'd kill myself  sleebarker   Mar-11-08 08:13 PM   #8 
  - You'd first have to recognize that he would be the one at fault  Horse with no Name   Mar-11-08 09:46 PM   #38 
  - Well said Horse  goddess40   Mar-12-08 07:11 AM   #74 
  - "Empty his bank accounts and dump his sorry ass" for VIEWING PORN?  The Stranger   Mar-12-08 09:25 AM   #84 
     - no - for going to a prostitute nt  goddess40   Mar-12-08 10:14 AM   #89 
  - Amen to that! n/t  Lorien   Mar-12-08 09:04 PM   #151 
  - I think your response lack compassion.  Big Blue Marble   Mar-13-08 12:50 PM   #187 
  - Uh... why not kick the shit out of him instead?  Breeze54   Mar-12-08 05:26 PM   #112 
  - Absolutely legalize it  melody   Mar-11-08 08:14 PM   #9 
  - it takes two to make a sex for money transaction.  KG   Mar-11-08 08:19 PM   #10 
  - legalize it  angrycarpenter   Mar-11-08 08:20 PM   #11 
  - That would just push users into illegal prostitution  Jed Dilligan   Mar-12-08 01:30 AM   #57 
  - Legalize it? Sure, with some conditions, but please remember...  varelse   Mar-11-08 08:24 PM   #12 
  - I don't think it would change much.  LeftyMom   Mar-11-08 08:28 PM   #13 
  - "The men who don't fuck around still wouldn't fuck around. "  TheFriendlyAnarchist   Mar-12-08 06:12 AM   #69 
  - Not even a question.  sendero   Mar-11-08 08:28 PM   #14 
  - I know, men would be dating women for love not for sx n/t  AlphaCentauri   Mar-11-08 11:37 PM   #55 
  - The problem is...  sendero   Mar-12-08 07:24 AM   #76 
     - So do women  dropkickpa   Mar-12-08 10:39 AM   #91 
        - Yeah..  sendero   Mar-12-08 04:37 PM   #104 
  - i agree too.  lionesspriyanka   Mar-12-08 06:09 PM   #122 
  - So, you take a woman on a date, buy her dinner  eilen   Mar-13-08 08:42 AM   #178 
  - Legalize it, regulate it, and let everybody make up their own mind.  davsand   Mar-11-08 08:30 PM   #15 
  - Absolutely not!  vankuria   Mar-11-08 08:32 PM   #16 
  - You can only speak for yourself  azygous   Mar-11-08 08:53 PM   #22 
  - pay me enough and I will suck your dick  Skittles   Mar-11-08 09:21 PM   #28 
     - Who is being degraded?  Behind the Aegis   Mar-11-08 09:29 PM   #29 
     - BOTH are being degraded  Skittles   Mar-11-08 09:34 PM   #30 
        - Argue with the employees of the Moonlight Bunny Ranch.  TheWraith   Mar-12-08 06:01 PM   #119 
     - I agree  Mojorabbit   Mar-11-08 09:42 PM   #34 
     - Why do you think it is degrading?  Behind the Aegis   Mar-11-08 09:47 PM   #39 
     - It is just my opinion  Mojorabbit   Mar-11-08 10:21 PM   #45 
     - a human being being treated as a semen receptacle  Skittles   Mar-11-08 10:34 PM   #47 
        - Anything can be degrading if you feel degraded by it.  mondo joe   Mar-11-08 11:10 PM   #49 
           - well if you like it that's fine  Skittles   Mar-11-08 11:14 PM   #50 
              - I'm gay. A lot of people find me very disgusting.  mondo joe   Mar-11-08 11:17 PM   #51 
                 - I absolutely do NOT find gay folk disgusting  Skittles   Mar-11-08 11:19 PM   #52 
                 - I didn't think you found gay people disgusting.  mondo joe   Mar-11-08 11:23 PM   #54 
                 - NOT my business  Skittles   Mar-12-08 01:13 AM   #56 
                    - Well, you clearly think it IS your business since you have such a strong opiion about it.  mondo joe   Mar-12-08 07:29 AM   #77 
                 - Woah -- someone just called you a homophobe?  LostinVA   Mar-12-08 09:30 AM   #87 
                 - In the case of prostitution, there are many reasons for concern . . .  defendandprotect   Mar-13-08 03:22 AM   #170 
                    - Intimidatin and oppression thrive in the dark - that's why it should be legal and exposed.  mondo joe   Mar-13-08 08:39 AM   #176 
                       - What's happened in countries where prostitution is legal?  gollygee   Mar-13-08 02:34 PM   #198 
                       - I don't think $5k is the standard either. But the point should be (IMO) to ensure that  mondo joe   Mar-13-08 07:31 PM   #207 
                       - We're making the same argument about that . . ..  defendandprotect   Mar-13-08 03:37 PM   #202 
     - I hate to say this  XemaSab   Mar-13-08 01:48 AM   #165 
        - I think it would  Mojorabbit   Mar-13-08 02:11 PM   #194 
     - That's your own hangups and cultural bias talking  Jed Dilligan   Mar-12-08 01:33 AM   #58 
        - So you would rather..  girl gone mad   Mar-12-08 06:05 AM   #68 
        - I found applying to work at McDonalds more demeaning than any blow job I've ever given.  mondo joe   Mar-12-08 07:31 AM   #78 
        - I would rob the rich or deal drugs before doing either  Jed Dilligan   Mar-12-08 10:56 AM   #94 
           - well.... after i hit explosion from you other post, and reading this..  seabeyond   Mar-13-08 04:13 PM   #204 
        - sucking dick more degrading working at McDonald's? are you stupid  seabeyond   Mar-13-08 04:08 PM   #203 
  - I'm not a prostitute, but I do sell my body, in a sense.  lildreamer316   Mar-12-08 05:44 AM   #62 
  - I Once Saw A Legal Secretary Called The "C-Word" In Front of Her Co-Workers  Yavin4   Mar-12-08 05:27 PM   #113 
  - Actually, some governments do hire brothel inspectors. Including right here in the States.  TheWraith   Mar-12-08 05:58 PM   #117 
  - how can you state what is demoralizing for other adult women?  lionesspriyanka   Mar-12-08 07:48 PM   #139 
  - Why would that make a difference?  BanzaiBonnie   Mar-11-08 08:36 PM   #17 
  - This old married lady says legalize it, "sin tax" it, unionize it, regulate it, and ...  Hekate   Mar-11-08 08:41 PM   #18 
  - Selling is legal. Fucking is legal.  Mojambo   Mar-11-08 08:43 PM   #19 
  - I've always been in favor of legalization  Warpy   Mar-11-08 08:47 PM   #20 
  - Women are exploited from it far more because it is illegal...  Hippo_Tron   Mar-11-08 08:50 PM   #21 
  - NAIL on head!! (no pun intended!!)  lildreamer316   Mar-12-08 05:47 AM   #63 
  - Legalize it and tax the Hell out of that $5000 an hour job. Should  spenbax   Mar-11-08 08:56 PM   #23 
  - Yes.  enlightenment   Mar-11-08 09:04 PM   #24 
  - Please note, not all men and women are heterosexual, nor is all prostitution. NT  mondo joe   Mar-11-08 09:10 PM   #25 
  - As a woman, my view is legalize it,  LibertyLover   Mar-11-08 09:17 PM   #26 
  - it should be legal  Skittles   Mar-11-08 09:19 PM   #27 
  - I'd actively support legalization, if it was accompanied by aggressive crack downs  galledgoblin   Mar-11-08 09:38 PM   #31 
  - I do think that making it legal  lildreamer316   Mar-12-08 05:49 AM   #64 
  - you are right. also as soon as things are legal they are far easier to regulate  lionesspriyanka   Mar-12-08 05:56 PM   #116 
  - I don't want them available to me, but I don't care if they are legal.  MrsGrumpy   Mar-11-08 09:39 PM   #32 
  - legalization won't work  provis99   Mar-11-08 09:40 PM   #33 
  - I say legalize and regulate it. It would be safer for the women involved in the trade. n/t  canadian_is_cold   Mar-11-08 09:44 PM   #35 
  - No..  Princess Turandot   Mar-11-08 09:45 PM   #37 
  - You nailed it!  vankuria   Mar-14-08 07:19 AM   #209 
  - Legalize and regulate it,  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-11-08 09:54 PM   #40 
  - It should be legal, regulated, and taxed.  AzDar   Mar-11-08 09:55 PM   #41 
  - Legalize it, licence it, regulate it  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-11-08 09:56 PM   #42 
  - I say yes, and regulate it.  Withywindle   Mar-11-08 10:01 PM   #43 
  - Legalize it, and gimme my gigolo voucher  Lilith Velkor   Mar-11-08 10:03 PM   #44 
  - agreed.  MATTMAN   Mar-11-08 10:29 PM   #46 
     - Interesting.  girl gone mad   Mar-12-08 06:02 AM   #67 
        - Yes  Mojorabbit   Mar-12-08 02:03 PM   #95 
        - It is legal, and controlled in places like the Netherlands  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-12-08 02:07 PM   #96 
        - Did you read the post below  Mojorabbit   Mar-12-08 05:16 PM   #108 
        - Actually, the Netherlands has..  girl gone mad   Mar-12-08 05:22 PM   #110 
           - Frankly, I have the same response often given to people who oppose abortion.  mondo joe   Mar-12-08 07:30 PM   #133 
        - Because some people are assholes, it should illegal?  Chovexani   Mar-12-08 08:42 PM   #145 
  - As a married woman...  kimmylavin   Mar-11-08 10:56 PM   #48 
  - Absolutely not  alarimer   Mar-11-08 11:22 PM   #53 
  - I agree!  michaz   Mar-12-08 06:48 AM   #70 
  - They are abused without recourse when it is illegal.  whereismyparty   Mar-12-08 02:12 PM   #100 
  - Legalize it  Book Lover   Mar-12-08 01:38 AM   #59 
  - Being a stripper, I'm somewhat biased...sorta.  lildreamer316   Mar-12-08 05:29 AM   #60 
  - As a human rights advocate: No.  lwfern   Mar-12-08 05:54 AM   #65 
  - That's a very convincing argument.  GaYellowDawg   Mar-12-08 07:20 AM   #75 
  - Keeping abuse in the shadows doesn't mitigate abuse. n/t  sfexpat2000   Mar-12-08 02:11 PM   #99 
  - You are he first person on the other side of this argument from me who's managed to convince me you  baby_mouse   Mar-12-08 06:20 PM   #124 
  - I can't see how legalization would be any good.  girl gone mad   Mar-12-08 05:56 AM   #66 
  - There will be prostitution whether it's legal or illegal.  Vinca   Mar-12-08 06:53 AM   #71 
  - As long as it's male prostitutes  StopThePendulum   Mar-12-08 07:03 AM   #72 
  - No  eilen   Mar-12-08 07:54 AM   #79 
  - Do you believe women can consent to have sex at all?  mondo joe   Mar-12-08 08:24 AM   #80 
     - This thread is really blowing my mind  eilen   Mar-12-08 05:05 PM   #107 
        - I missed an answer to my question in there. Do you believe women can form consent to have sex  mondo joe   Mar-12-08 07:20 PM   #126 
        - yes  eilen   Mar-12-08 08:35 PM   #144 
        - Clarifying question: You believe in a patriarchal society women can form consent,  mondo joe   Mar-12-08 08:47 PM   #146 
        - As long as we have patriarchy, that will be a valid question . . .  defendandprotect   Mar-13-08 03:26 AM   #172 
           - Do you believe women can form consent at all? Can women be trusted with choice -  mondo joe   Mar-13-08 08:41 AM   #177 
              - In some countries ME--esp. Sharia communities, women are told to abort  eilen   Mar-13-08 09:30 AM   #179 
              - So to clarify: are you saying it is impossible for a woman (let's limit it to a woman in the  mondo joe   Mar-13-08 09:35 AM   #180 
                 - Obviously many women consent to this and many other self destructive behavior  eilen   Mar-13-08 01:32 PM   #191 
                 - My point is simply that if adults are free to form consent, it's their choice and  mondo joe   Mar-13-08 02:26 PM   #197 
                    - Do you allow for the consideration  eilen   Mar-15-08 12:07 PM   #211 
                 - A woman can "consent" . . . but we are questioning how freely in a patriarchy ---  defendandprotect   Mar-13-08 03:33 PM   #201 
                    - If a woman can't truly form consent how can she be treated as an equal adult who can  mondo joe   Mar-13-08 07:27 PM   #206 
              - I gave you my answer re "sex" --- we still live in a patriarchy . . .  defendandprotect   Mar-13-08 03:26 PM   #199 
        - A lot of intelligent questioning here . . .  defendandprotect   Mar-13-08 03:25 AM   #171 
  - It only becomes my business when people are exploited.  Orsino   Mar-12-08 08:37 AM   #81 
  - strongly seconded  lionesspriyanka   Mar-12-08 09:31 AM   #88 
  - I think it should be decriminalized  AspieGrrl   Mar-12-08 09:00 AM   #82 
  - Married woman here...legallize it to protect the workers...  youthere   Mar-12-08 09:19 AM   #83 
  - prostitution should be legalized to protect women who are in sex work.  lionesspriyanka   Mar-12-08 09:30 AM   #86 
  - I concurr. It doesn't seem ideal, but it is the wisest and most pragmatic humanitarian solution  Drachasor   Mar-12-08 04:41 PM   #106 
  - Yes, yes and yes.  Le Taz Hot   Mar-12-08 10:18 AM   #90 
  - It should be legal  aroach   Mar-12-08 10:43 AM   #92 
  - It should be leagailzed, and I am a married woman  Jennicut   Mar-12-08 10:43 AM   #93 
  - Of course it should be legalized. Keeping it illegal only puts women at risk  sfexpat2000   Mar-12-08 02:08 PM   #97 
  - YES!!! I've lived in countries where it is legal.  whereismyparty   Mar-12-08 02:10 PM   #98 
  - Legalize and regulate it  Lone_Star_Dem   Mar-12-08 02:31 PM   #101 
  - Oops  goodgd_yall   Mar-12-08 02:38 PM   #103 
  - Legalize and regulate it  goodgd_yall   Mar-12-08 02:36 PM   #102 
  - agreed, we need to protect the people in sex work.  lionesspriyanka   Mar-12-08 06:08 PM   #121 
  - It is one of the immutable things about society, it may as well be  treestar   Mar-12-08 04:41 PM   #105 
  - Just putting in my two cents worth, don't forget to legalize Marijuana while you're at it. n/t  Uncle Joe   Mar-12-08 05:21 PM   #109 
  - if a woman is "pro-choice" regarding abortion- shouldn't she also be pro-choice re: prostitution?  QuestionAll   Mar-12-08 05:23 PM   #111 
  - Precisely. I support the right of women (and men) to do with their bodies as they choose.  mondo joe   Mar-12-08 07:26 PM   #130 
  - you also rock!  lionesspriyanka   Mar-12-08 07:41 PM   #136 
  - yep. pro athletes get to do as they choose with theirs, why not everyone else...?  QuestionAll   Mar-12-08 08:03 PM   #142 
  - yes,  lionesspriyanka   Mar-12-08 07:39 PM   #135 
  - Definite no  Firespirit   Mar-12-08 05:27 PM   #114 
  - does anyone aspire to be a janitor? should we make that illegal as well?  lionesspriyanka   Mar-12-08 05:46 PM   #115 
  - False logic  Firespirit   Mar-12-08 06:00 PM   #118 
     - prostitution does not take away ones rights to ones body unless its forced prostitition  lionesspriyanka   Mar-12-08 06:07 PM   #120 
        - So you don't see it as a business transaction?  Firespirit   Mar-12-08 06:27 PM   #125 
           - Unless people are forced into prostitution - which NO ONE HERE would condone in any way -  mondo joe   Mar-12-08 07:24 PM   #128 
  - All work is trade in flesh. Whether you shoot baskets, mop floors or carry luggage, you  mondo joe   Mar-12-08 07:21 PM   #127 
  - You really see labor and sex as the same thing?  Firespirit   Mar-12-08 09:02 PM   #150 
     - I don't imbue sex with magical powers.  mondo joe   Mar-12-08 09:07 PM   #152 
        - This is where we differ  Firespirit   Mar-12-08 09:18 PM   #154 
           - I'm pro-choice. I believe in the capacity of adult women to form consent.  mondo joe   Mar-12-08 09:20 PM   #155 
              - Most women can consent  Firespirit   Mar-12-08 09:28 PM   #156 
                 - That's the same crap said by anti-choice people about abortion. They too want to protect  mondo joe   Mar-12-08 09:33 PM   #157 
                    - No, they don't  Firespirit   Mar-12-08 09:44 PM   #158 
                       - Incorrect. They certainly claim they are protecting the women who abort.  mondo joe   Mar-12-08 09:53 PM   #159 
                          - One can hold libertarian viewpoints without ascribing to the full belief set  Firespirit   Mar-12-08 10:07 PM   #160 
                             - I guess that means being pro choice on abortion, and same sex marriage makes me libertarian.  mondo joe   Mar-12-08 10:10 PM   #161 
                                - Pro choice IS libertarian  Firespirit   Mar-12-08 10:18 PM   #162 
                                   - But since I don't advocate "extreme libertarianism" that's not material to this discussion.  mondo joe   Mar-12-08 10:20 PM   #163 
  - Thank you.  eilen   Mar-13-08 08:37 AM   #175 
     - Then please go read a bit more.  enlightenment   Mar-13-08 02:02 PM   #192 
  - Female here. Legalize it and regulate it.  uppityperson   Mar-12-08 06:12 PM   #123 
  - I really wish people would respect other  femrap   Mar-12-08 07:25 PM   #129 
  - There are men who go into the same line of work, despite them being men with all the associated  mondo joe   Mar-12-08 07:27 PM   #131 
  - i wish people would respect people who make choices differently than them  lionesspriyanka   Mar-12-08 07:38 PM   #134 
  - It's a matter of privacy, and choice. The same narrow arguments are used by anti-choice  mondo joe   Mar-12-08 07:42 PM   #137 
     - agreed, i have 2 prostitute friends over the years, one boy and one girl,  lionesspriyanka   Mar-12-08 07:44 PM   #138 
  - The sad thing is that some WANT to be prostitutes. I used to live with one  Lorien   Mar-12-08 09:17 PM   #153 
     - Her father  femrap   Mar-12-08 10:33 PM   #164 
        - The way she yelled at her father on the phone  Lorien   Mar-13-08 02:31 AM   #167 
        - It's a dangerous way to make a living  femrap   Mar-13-08 12:42 PM   #185 
        - Yeah, and if she doesn't remember being abused, she probably  antfarm   Mar-13-08 06:11 AM   #173 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-13-08 12:44 PM   #186 
              - Was that outburst really necessary? -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Mar-13-08 02:19 PM   #195 
                 - In the words of  femrap   Mar-13-08 02:21 PM   #196 
                    - No, and you weren't talking to the mods either. Not that it made a difference. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Mar-13-08 04:22 PM   #205 
  - Legalize it. Period.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Mar-12-08 07:28 PM   #132 
  - It's legal in Nevada  Catchawave   Mar-12-08 08:00 PM   #141 
  - Yes.  LWolf   Mar-12-08 08:18 PM   #143 
  - I'm a woman and I say legalize it  XemaSab   Mar-12-08 08:50 PM   #147 
  - Legalize, tax and regulate the hell out of it.  Chovexani   Mar-12-08 08:51 PM   #148 
  - keep separate accounts....  pfitz59   Mar-13-08 01:50 AM   #166 
  - Criminalizing consensual acts is absurd.  alphafemale   Mar-13-08 02:53 AM   #168 
  - It would also help to control the rate of STD's...  zanne   Mar-13-08 06:53 AM   #174 
  - Generally, I'm for legalizing prostitution . . . .  defendandprotect   Mar-13-08 03:17 AM   #169 
  - I say: How many women would become prostitutes if they had similar-paying other job options?  WinkyDink   Mar-13-08 09:40 AM   #181 
  - i think the higher end of prostitution would still exist.  lionesspriyanka   Mar-13-08 09:43 AM   #182 
  - Yeah. We'd have teachers out the wazoo if it paid $5K an hour.  alphafemale   Mar-13-08 11:13 AM   #183 
  - There are male prostitutes as well, making a living primarily with gay male customers.  mondo joe   Mar-13-08 12:54 PM   #188 
     - Homsexuals had "all the male privileges" . . . and you're gay ---??? !!!  defendandprotect   Mar-13-08 07:32 PM   #208 
        - What makes you think male prostitutes with gay customers are necessarily  mondo joe   Mar-14-08 08:45 AM   #210 
  - there is already easy availability of prostitution  pitohui   Mar-13-08 01:25 PM   #190 
  - how do you know 'american whores' dont want it badly enough?  lionesspriyanka   Mar-13-08 02:09 PM   #193 
  - Compare these two professions...  lame54   Mar-13-08 03:28 PM   #200 

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