You are viewing an obsolete version of the DU website which is no longer supported by the Administrators. Visit The New DU.
Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Reply #179: You're making no sense. [View All]

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #53
179. You're making no sense.
One is about legality and legal rights. The other is about ethical choices and rules shared between two people...

Legally, if you want to screw around on your girlfriend, you're free to do so.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
  -Is there such a thing as men's rights when it comes to abortion? undeterred  Mar-10-08 12:00 PM   #0 
  - There are no men's or women's rights in abortion. There is the individual's right  mondo joe   Mar-10-08 12:02 PM   #1 
  - That's how I see it too. nt  Deep13   Mar-10-08 12:05 PM   #7 
  - Great Answer! BTW, Can I Vote More Than Once?  anonymeme   Mar-11-08 01:12 AM   #152 
  - Which is why Ruth Bader Ginsburg proposes to view right to abortion  question everything   Mar-11-08 08:44 PM   #180 
  - Yes, but with rights comes responsibility.  kwenu   Mar-11-08 09:34 PM   #186 
  - Why start a poll if you're not going to have any options?  Occam Bandage   Mar-10-08 12:03 PM   #2 
  - What options do you want?  undeterred   Mar-10-08 12:05 PM   #8 
     - I'm just saying that you have a poll with no options.  Occam Bandage   Mar-10-08 12:06 PM   #11 
  - The right to an abortion is a right to bodily integrity.  Deep13   Mar-10-08 12:04 PM   #3 
  - Boy this poll isn't biased at all.  youthere   Mar-10-08 12:04 PM   #4 
  - Well, clearly I don't think they have any rights  undeterred   Mar-10-08 12:08 PM   #16 
     - But yet you forgot to include a way for people who think they do to vote that belief.  Occam Bandage   Mar-10-08 12:09 PM   #20 
     - #2 No but there should be  undeterred   Mar-10-08 12:10 PM   #23 
        - Meant to write "do." Changed it a second too late. Anyway, why isn't there a "yes" option?  Occam Bandage   Mar-10-08 12:10 PM   #24 
           - The question isn't should they- its do they  undeterred   Mar-10-08 12:13 PM   #28 
           - Right. So why isn't there an option allowing people to say "yes, they do?" If you wanted to see  Occam Bandage   Mar-10-08 12:16 PM   #30 
           - There should be the  femrap   Mar-10-08 04:03 PM   #64 
              - tie it in a bow  undeterred   Mar-10-08 05:31 PM   #93 
                 - You're right...  femrap   Mar-10-08 05:53 PM   #97 
     - I'd like to know why you think they should  melody   Mar-10-08 12:16 PM   #31 
     - Some men think they should be notified when a partner  undeterred   Mar-10-08 12:22 PM   #32 
        - Well, when their body is ravaged by nine months of pregnancy, they can have a choice  melody   Mar-10-08 12:25 PM   #33 
        - You know, you two could at least TRY to look beyond your own preconceptions.  TheWraith   Mar-11-08 01:32 AM   #153 
           - There is only one choice in this -- parsimony, the least invasive choice  melody   Mar-11-08 05:04 PM   #173 
        - If There's A Relationship, You'd Hope So  Raejeanowl   Mar-10-08 10:43 PM   #142 
        - MEN DON'T HAVE A RIGHT AT ALL.  trueblue2007   Mar-11-08 11:55 AM   #160 
     - Well, for the record...  youthere   Mar-10-08 12:54 PM   #44 
  - As soon as they win the right to become pregnant.  DemItAllAnyway   Mar-10-08 12:04 PM   #5 
  - Abstain? You're joking, right? Abstinence policies do squat.  HypnoToad   Mar-10-08 12:05 PM   #6 
  - No they don't, but an individual man still has a right not to throw the dice...  Deep13   Mar-10-08 12:06 PM   #13 
  - You certainly aren't some kind  femrap   Mar-10-08 04:08 PM   #65 
  - I dont have a uterus, so I'm not gonna touch this issue  NightWatcher   Mar-10-08 12:05 PM   #9 
  - DING DING DING....!!!!!  femrap   Mar-10-08 04:10 PM   #67 
  - Bless your heart. That is pretty much what my husband says. While we both believe that...  Hekate   Mar-11-08 08:58 PM   #183 
  - They have a right to pull out and shoot it somewhere else  Xenotime   Mar-10-08 12:05 PM   #10 
  - coitus interruptus method of BC??? nice...  ProdigalJunkMail   Mar-10-08 12:06 PM   #12 
  - That's unreliable for a variety of reasons.  Deep13   Mar-10-08 12:08 PM   #17 
  - Hormones are more effective than condoms, better throw out the raincoat.  K-W   Mar-10-08 05:17 PM   #87 
  - now that's the mature form of birth control  Donnachaidh   Mar-10-08 12:08 PM   #19 
     - The favorite of fumbling 16-year-olds everywhere!  Occam Bandage   Mar-10-08 12:09 PM   #22 
  - thank you for putting in option four  Donnachaidh   Mar-10-08 12:07 PM   #14 
  - Men can't die in childbirth. n/t  Hissyspit   Mar-10-08 12:07 PM   #15 
  - I voted other.  TCJ70   Mar-10-08 12:08 PM   #18 
  - Most of the people making the decisions re what choices are/will be allowed are male,  havocmom   Mar-10-08 12:09 PM   #21 
  - No  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Mar-10-08 12:11 PM   #25 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-10-08 04:23 PM   #70 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-11-08 11:18 AM   #155 
  - You mean should a man be able to force a woman to carry his spawn to term?  alphafemale   Mar-10-08 12:11 PM   #26 
  - practicing push polls?  Clovis Sangrail   Mar-10-08 12:12 PM   #27 
  - Nope  MonkeyFunk   Mar-10-08 12:15 PM   #29 
  - For me, its iffy.  Bright Eyes   Mar-10-08 12:26 PM   #34 
  - No one male or female is subject to anyone having any right to control or know anything  RGBolen   Mar-10-08 12:28 PM   #35 
  - The father may be dead, or religious right judges may interpret that they state  demigoddess   Mar-10-08 12:32 PM   #36 
  - Yes. They have their right to their opinion on the topic.  flvegan   Mar-10-08 12:33 PM   #37 
  - when female-to-male fetal transplantation comes about...  kineneb   Mar-10-08 12:38 PM   #38 
  - Men, if you don't want a kid don't F---.  genie_weenie   Mar-10-08 12:42 PM   #39 
  - Yes. Men have a right NOT to have an abortion if they don't like it.  devilgrrl   Mar-10-08 12:46 PM   #40 
  - Why not ask the reverse?  lunatica   Mar-10-08 12:47 PM   #41 
  - Women don't have a long and glorious history of trying to control men's bodies.  undeterred   Mar-10-08 12:49 PM   #42 
     - .....  femrap   Mar-10-08 04:28 PM   #71 
     - ...  undeterred   Mar-10-08 05:29 PM   #91 
     - ...  femrap   Mar-10-08 06:12 PM   #106 
        - ...  undeterred   Mar-10-08 06:19 PM   #108 
           - ...  femrap   Mar-10-08 08:05 PM   #117 
     - What are you living in the 1950's?  walldude   Mar-10-08 08:44 PM   #127 
        - Can we clone you?  undeterred   Mar-10-08 09:31 PM   #135 
        - I get that a lot... So does my wife.  walldude   Mar-10-08 09:53 PM   #139 
        - Hey, If You're Taking Orders for Those Clones...  anonymeme   Mar-11-08 12:37 AM   #150 
        - We have a housekeeper twice a week.  femrap   Mar-11-08 05:03 PM   #172 
     - I personally think that some men  hyphenate   Mar-10-08 05:29 PM   #92 
  - Other - depends on the relationship  housewolf   Mar-10-08 12:50 PM   #43 
  - How exactly does one determine the value of a relationship?  wuushew   Mar-10-08 01:18 PM   #47 
     - That's why I said it depends on the relationship  housewolf   Mar-10-08 04:00 PM   #62 
  - When technologically possible  realpolitik   Mar-10-08 12:54 PM   #45 
  - Who is 'they?'  femrap   Mar-10-08 04:31 PM   #73 
  - I'm a male and there should not be mens rights in abortion  blues90   Mar-10-08 01:11 PM   #46 
  - Actually, yes.  kestrel91316   Mar-10-08 01:20 PM   #48 
  - No. A man has no rights to a woman's body.  WinkyDink   Mar-10-08 01:23 PM   #49 
  - see #51-- women can't have it both ways....  mike_c   Mar-10-08 01:53 PM   #53 
     - Ya mean like SpRitzer?  Karenina   Mar-10-08 04:08 PM   #66 
     - And the woman can look elsewhere for  femrap   Mar-10-08 04:34 PM   #74 
     - LOL-- not to mention a sure route to reproductive failure....  mike_c   Mar-10-08 04:45 PM   #77 
        - I'm not kidding...  femrap   Mar-10-08 05:04 PM   #82 
           - ouch....  mike_c   Mar-10-08 06:24 PM   #109 
     - You're making no sense.  JerseygirlCT   Mar-11-08 08:43 PM   #179 
  - Can we remember for a moment that abortion isn't a light decision?  lunatica   Mar-10-08 01:42 PM   #50 
  - it is not an "extremely difficult decision" for all women.  kmlewis   Mar-10-08 03:58 PM   #61 
  - I had the same experience.  femrap   Mar-10-08 04:38 PM   #75 
     - Some women know exactly what they want  lunatica   Mar-10-08 05:28 PM   #90 
     - Hey...dalai.  femrap   Mar-10-08 06:09 PM   #105 
        - I see no reason for your rudeness  lunatica   Mar-11-08 12:08 PM   #163 
           - You said that I was denigrating others....  femrap   Mar-11-08 04:41 PM   #166 
     - Nor for most of the women I know who've had them.  Iris   Mar-10-08 08:43 PM   #126 
        - It was for me.  kimmylavin   Mar-10-08 09:53 PM   #138 
           - And really, you're bottom line is the bottom line  Iris   Mar-10-08 09:58 PM   #140 
  - I think that's why its easier for many women to make it alone.  undeterred   Mar-10-08 05:40 PM   #94 
  - I say yes, but effectively no....  mike_c   Mar-10-08 01:44 PM   #51 
  - It's the woman's body, so... nope.  SmokingJacket   Mar-10-08 01:47 PM   #52 
  - Yes, men should have a say.  Behind the Aegis   Mar-10-08 02:01 PM   #54 
  - I think the man's rights  supernova   Mar-10-08 02:08 PM   #55 
  - I can see your point in a minor way.  Behind the Aegis   Mar-10-08 02:16 PM   #58 
     - This is a tough one,  undeterred   Mar-10-08 03:21 PM   #60 
     - A male ALWAYS HAS A CHOICE....  femrap   Mar-10-08 04:53 PM   #79 
     - I never cease to be amazed at how careless  undeterred   Mar-10-08 05:15 PM   #86 
        - Women know the price of  femrap   Mar-10-08 06:05 PM   #102 
     - I agree with the idea that to carry to term or not will eventually lie with the woman.  Behind the Aegis   Mar-11-08 12:22 AM   #149 
     - No, you have failed  femrap   Mar-10-08 04:47 PM   #78 
        - Must be sad to be that filled with rage that basic reading skills are destroyed.  Behind the Aegis   Mar-11-08 12:17 AM   #148 
           - rib removal can change your life.  femrap   Mar-11-08 04:42 PM   #168 
              - so can a lobotomy.  Behind the Aegis   Mar-11-08 08:38 PM   #177 
  - And why didn't you make this great  femrap   Mar-10-08 04:44 PM   #76 
  - What a pathetic response.  Behind the Aegis   Mar-11-08 12:11 AM   #147 
     - 2 words.....Rib Removal.  femrap   Mar-11-08 04:46 PM   #169 
        - 2 words...no thanks!  Behind the Aegis   Mar-11-08 08:37 PM   #176 
  - Ethically, perhaps, and depending on their relationship. Legally?  JerseygirlCT   Mar-11-08 08:45 PM   #181 
     - That's more of my stance (be it wide).  Behind the Aegis   Mar-11-08 09:16 PM   #185 
  - If you are asking "IS", not "should", of course there is.  uppityperson   Mar-10-08 02:13 PM   #56 
  - When they start being able to become impregnated, then yes.  Lex   Mar-10-08 02:15 PM   #57 
  - It takes two people to create but only one gets to decide.  klyon   Mar-10-08 02:23 PM   #59 
  - Please EJACULATE RESPONSIBLY! nt  femrap   Mar-10-08 04:02 PM   #63 
  - This sums it up,  SarahBelle   Mar-10-08 04:54 PM   #80 
  - This is an atrocious argument.  Occam Bandage   Mar-10-08 05:54 PM   #99 
  - It's a pretty moot question, regardless of the answer  jpljr77   Mar-10-08 04:16 PM   #68 
  - Other  Jed Dilligan   Mar-10-08 04:22 PM   #69 
  - That's why I voted other as well. n/t  TCJ70   Mar-10-08 04:31 PM   #72 
  - The male already made his CHOICE.  femrap   Mar-10-08 04:59 PM   #81 
     - Males can be lied to about what measures partners take,  Jed Dilligan   Mar-10-08 05:07 PM   #83 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-10-08 06:00 PM   #100 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-10-08 07:48 PM   #110 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-10-08 07:55 PM   #113 
           - It's not "fine" to walk away  Jed Dilligan   Mar-10-08 08:12 PM   #118 
              - Listen, I don't want anyone controlling anyone....  femrap   Mar-10-08 08:40 PM   #124 
                 - You are very weird. And apparently religious  Jed Dilligan   Mar-10-08 08:42 PM   #125 
                    - Poor Jed...no, I'm not  femrap   Mar-10-08 09:16 PM   #131 
                       - After its attempt at stalking is deterred by a brave moderator  Jed Dilligan   Mar-10-08 09:24 PM   #132 
                          - Mother of God.  undeterred   Mar-10-08 09:33 PM   #136 
                          - That's the Mother of Jesus....  femrap   Mar-10-08 09:38 PM   #137 
                             - You have fully communicated the depth of your hatred and prejudice  Jed Dilligan   Mar-10-08 10:43 PM   #143 
                             - ...  undeterred   Mar-10-08 10:47 PM   #144 
                             - If that's not sarcastic, thanks  Jed Dilligan   Mar-11-08 04:50 PM   #171 
                             - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-11-08 04:27 PM   #164 
                                - Yes, no woman was ever in an abusive relationship  Jed Dilligan   Mar-11-08 04:42 PM   #167 
                             - Ummm please dont discuss theology  DadOf2LittleAngels   Mar-11-08 01:39 AM   #154 
                                - Organized religion just  femrap   Mar-11-08 04:29 PM   #165 
                                - Don't bother it with facts  Jed Dilligan   Mar-11-08 04:49 PM   #170 
     - If a man is stupid enough to leave that responsibility to a woman he deserves whatever  RGBolen   Mar-11-08 09:08 PM   #184 
     - The woman already made her CHOICE.  TCJ70   Mar-10-08 05:08 PM   #84 
     - You see....that last line makes all of  femrap   Mar-10-08 06:04 PM   #101 
     - The female already made her CHOICE.  Occam Bandage   Mar-10-08 05:46 PM   #95 
     - For some, "equality" is a one-way street. nt  Jed Dilligan   Mar-10-08 07:52 PM   #111 
     - And the woman chose to accept it as well.  hiaasenrocks   Mar-10-08 07:59 PM   #115 
        - Maybe it's one of the "all hetero sex is rape" crowd.  Jed Dilligan   Mar-10-08 08:20 PM   #121 
           - Could be. I don't expect to have a rational discussion of this issue with people who  hiaasenrocks   Mar-11-08 05:51 PM   #174 
  - Yes, under the current laws fathers have some rights.  I work for workers   Mar-10-08 05:14 PM   #85 
  - But isn't a PBA only done under circumstances  undeterred   Mar-10-08 05:27 PM   #88 
  - Beats me, I'm just pointing out the law. nt  I work for workers   Mar-10-08 05:53 PM   #98 
  - What state's law is this? (nm)  Book Lover   Mar-10-08 07:52 PM   #112 
     - The Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act.  I work for workers   Mar-10-08 07:59 PM   #116 
        - Of course  Book Lover   Mar-11-08 12:44 AM   #151 
  - Yes: it's identical to our right of medical privacy  dmesg   Mar-10-08 05:28 PM   #89 
  - if men were to be the pregnant ones,  onethatcares   Mar-10-08 05:53 PM   #96 
  - As a Man, I Have the Right  fascisthunter   Mar-10-08 06:05 PM   #103 
  - No n/t  ismnotwasm   Mar-10-08 06:07 PM   #104 
  - No.  apocalypsehow   Mar-10-08 06:17 PM   #107 
  - There should be more responsibility during sex.  hiaasenrocks   Mar-10-08 07:58 PM   #114 
  - People should stop being so presumptuous as to think they're divinely placed on earth to proclaim  impeachdubya   Mar-10-08 08:18 PM   #120 
     - Like everyone else, I'm sure you have views about what people should and shouldn't do  hiaasenrocks   Mar-11-08 05:53 PM   #175 
        - Nope. I'm not interested in telling other people what they can or can't do with their OWN bodies.  impeachdubya   Mar-12-08 01:32 AM   #187 
  - Did I miss something? Can men get pregnant now?  impeachdubya   Mar-10-08 08:16 PM   #119 
  - YES exactly!  varelse   Mar-10-08 08:29 PM   #122 
  - Interested? They're calling for male volunteers.  undeterred   Mar-10-08 08:52 PM   #130 
  - Not really no, but  walldude   Mar-10-08 08:39 PM   #123 
  - If she keeps a secret about something like a pregnancy  undeterred   Mar-10-08 08:49 PM   #128 
  - Does anyone have the right to force a woman to continue ....  TexasBushwhacker   Mar-10-08 08:51 PM   #129 
  - And from practical standpoint - what does the "right" matter when the woman can make the decision  Iris   Mar-10-08 09:26 PM   #134 
  - no n/t  Skittles   Mar-10-08 09:24 PM   #133 
  - I'm inclined to say no, but  margotb822   Mar-10-08 09:59 PM   #141 
  - I think men should have some rights as far as an abortion goes.  MiltonF   Mar-10-08 10:53 PM   #145 
  - Yeah, good luck with that.  undeterred   Mar-10-08 10:58 PM   #146 
  - Absolutely, Positively NOT!!  zorahopkins   Mar-11-08 11:20 AM   #156 
  - I can imagine a situation where not discussing it with the man is jerkish. And one where it isn't.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Mar-11-08 11:22 AM   #157 
  - Oh boy,  raccoon   Mar-11-08 11:32 AM   #158 
  - So...  Ordr   Mar-11-08 11:42 AM   #159 
  - You can give your opinion  undeterred   Mar-11-08 11:59 AM   #161 
  - I imagine that...  LanternWaste   Mar-11-08 12:05 PM   #162 
  - As soon as men might need abortions, we can talk about their  JerseygirlCT   Mar-11-08 08:40 PM   #178 
  - I told my 15 yo son to keep it zipped or keep it covered if he didn't want to be a teenage daddy...  Hekate   Mar-11-08 08:57 PM   #182 
 

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC