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Wed Feb-28-07 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #43 |
| 103. Europe, Russia and China would disagree. |
| -Venezuela Seizes Foreign Oil Projects |
BayCityProgressive |
Feb-26-07 07:07 PM |
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Good for him. I think all natural resources should be nationalized. (nt) |
scarletwoman |
Feb-26-07 07:15 PM |
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Why (should shit hit the fan)? |
Warren Stupidity |
Feb-26-07 07:18 PM |
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Lets take Emminent domain |
Pavulon |
Feb-26-07 07:25 PM |
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It's not "eminent domain" |
ProudDad |
Feb-26-07 07:27 PM |
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I think "purchasing" might be more appropriate. Whether what they are doing is |
lostinacause |
Feb-27-07 07:22 PM |
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Yeah!!!! |
ProudDad |
Feb-26-07 07:29 PM |
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OK with me. |
Warren Stupidity |
Feb-26-07 07:40 PM |
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Isn't there fair compensation though? Isn't that what Chavez said he'd do with ther phone utility? |
Selatius |
Feb-26-07 07:47 PM |
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Yes of course there is. |
Warren Stupidity |
Feb-26-07 07:54 PM |
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One is a manufacturing plant, the other is finite national resources. |
Jim Sagle |
Feb-26-07 07:49 PM |
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You are mistaken |
JackRiddler |
Feb-27-07 09:37 AM |
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Fine with me. Every single one of those corps screw over America, also. And none of them give back |
w4rma |
Feb-26-07 07:18 PM |
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Yes it's all about their own greed. The Oil Corps are anti-America!!! |
goforit |
Feb-28-07 05:46 PM |
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K&R |
ProudDad |
Feb-26-07 07:28 PM |
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The opposite happened in the US..the oil companies took over the government |
Webster Green |
Feb-26-07 07:44 PM |
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Indeed - and where is the fair compensation? |
Warren Stupidity |
Feb-26-07 07:55 PM |
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It's Venezuela's oil, not BP or Exxon-Mobil's oil. |
Selatius |
Feb-26-07 07:49 PM |
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hey- if i read the monroe doctrine correctly- that's OUR oil!!! |
QuestionAll |
Feb-26-07 07:59 PM |
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You read the doctrine correctly |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-26-07 08:06 PM |
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Great news |
manic expression |
Feb-26-07 08:03 PM |
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That should make some waves with the BFEE. |
Rex |
Feb-26-07 08:04 PM |
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that's what I meant |
BayCityProgressive |
Feb-26-07 08:16 PM |
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I knew what you meant. |
Rex |
Feb-26-07 08:25 PM |
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Venezuela's Economy |
BayCityProgressive |
Feb-26-07 08:36 PM |
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I have high hopes for him and the countries population. |
Rex |
Feb-26-07 08:46 PM |
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foreign investment |
TexasLawyer |
Feb-26-07 08:15 PM |
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True |
manic expression |
Feb-26-07 08:18 PM |
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I don't know |
BayCityProgressive |
Feb-26-07 08:19 PM |
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Most of Western Europe nationalized their health care sector. |
Selatius |
Feb-26-07 08:22 PM |
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That is also true |
manic expression |
Feb-26-07 08:23 PM |
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Norway |
BayCityProgressive |
Feb-26-07 08:40 PM |
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could you imagine |
BayCityProgressive |
Feb-26-07 08:52 PM |
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Foreign investment typically comes from companies. Their relationship |
lostinacause |
Feb-27-07 07:32 PM |
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Typically |
manic expression |
Feb-28-07 01:56 PM |
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If this were to happen, they would give up a great deal of influence |
lostinacause |
Feb-28-07 02:42 PM |
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I don't think so |
manic expression |
Feb-28-07 02:45 PM |
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Not too likely in this case... They have oil... China, India, lots of other |
lectrobyte |
Feb-26-07 09:37 PM |
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Policies like this increase the risk associated with investment. |
lostinacause |
Feb-27-07 07:37 PM |
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How dare they!!??? What do they think??? That it's their country??? |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Feb-26-07 08:22 PM |
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LOL!!! |
goforit |
Feb-28-07 05:47 PM |
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Good for Chavez. If we had done the same, we might still have a free country. |
Vidar |
Feb-26-07 08:32 PM |
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If we had only seized private property we might still have a free country? |
talkinghead |
Feb-26-07 08:38 PM |
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you mean buy private property? |
BayCityProgressive |
Feb-26-07 08:41 PM |
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Norway: |
BayCityProgressive |
Feb-26-07 08:47 PM |
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I work with a guy from Norway |
talkinghead |
Feb-26-07 08:53 PM |
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sure you do |
BayCityProgressive |
Feb-26-07 08:56 PM |
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I do. But he is only one guy. |
talkinghead |
Feb-26-07 08:58 PM |
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Norway: Gov’t cancels Third World debts |
BayCityProgressive |
Feb-26-07 08:58 PM |
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Debt forgiveness is harmful |
talkinghead |
Feb-26-07 09:07 PM |
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I would agree with you |
BayCityProgressive |
Feb-26-07 09:11 PM |
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I think the best thing |
talkinghead |
Feb-26-07 09:15 PM |
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To a certain extent you are right about the debt forgiveness issue. The problem |
lostinacause |
Feb-27-07 07:49 PM |
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Bull, just support the debt vultures for responsible behavior |
IChing |
Feb-26-07 09:40 PM |
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I would also blame the IMF and the World Bank |
talkinghead |
Feb-26-07 09:56 PM |
#49 |
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Old "talking points" that don't pan out |
IChing |
Feb-26-07 10:17 PM |
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Uganda is a good example. |
talkinghead |
Feb-26-07 10:23 PM |
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Good grief. Abolish bankruptcy protection too while you are at it. |
Warren Stupidity |
Feb-26-07 10:10 PM |
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Borrowing in a market is fine. |
talkinghead |
Feb-26-07 10:26 PM |
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Big oil has nothing to do with private property. Corporate property |
Vidar |
Feb-26-07 09:19 PM |
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Corporate property is just private property that is collected |
lostinacause |
Feb-27-07 08:01 PM |
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Cute textbook answer that I might have accepted 30 years ago. |
Vidar |
Feb-28-07 01:40 PM |
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Corporations are used as a wealth generating mechanism in every developed |
lostinacause |
Feb-28-07 02:00 PM |
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Corporate property is private property |
manic expression |
Feb-28-07 01:55 PM |
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Siezed it? The companies are compensated, and still retain some |
lectrobyte |
Feb-26-07 09:30 PM |
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Maybe you don't know |
BayCityProgressive |
Feb-26-07 09:33 PM |
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That is the title, but maybe you missed the part about Venezuela |
lectrobyte |
Feb-26-07 10:49 PM |
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Oh, sorry. |
lectrobyte |
Feb-27-07 07:43 AM |
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I am a strong believer in property rights |
talkinghead |
Feb-26-07 09:34 PM |
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Oh silly you. Read up on your libertarian literature. |
Warren Stupidity |
Feb-26-07 10:06 PM |
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I begrudgingly admit that it is necessary. |
talkinghead |
Feb-26-07 10:13 PM |
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Except for that fair compensation part you have a point. |
Warren Stupidity |
Feb-27-07 06:53 PM |
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It's not theft |
manic expression |
Feb-28-07 01:59 PM |
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Property is theft |
eridani |
Feb-26-07 10:13 PM |
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Private property is not only a right, it is necessary. |
talkinghead |
Feb-26-07 10:17 PM |
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I disagree. The right to own capital should not exist. It is not necessary to a healthy market. |
Selatius |
Feb-26-07 11:07 PM |
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This is inefficient |
talkinghead |
Feb-26-07 11:18 PM |
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You don't need to "own" capital to employ it efficiently. |
Selatius |
Feb-26-07 11:27 PM |
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Who gives the privilege? |
talkinghead |
Feb-26-07 11:35 PM |
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No one ought to have the right to own another person's means of production |
eridani |
Feb-27-07 12:20 AM |
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A long response: |
Selatius |
Feb-27-07 12:55 AM |
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"the tax rates should be set such that maximum utility can be derived from the income tax" |
lostinacause |
Feb-27-07 09:10 AM |
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"From each according to ability to each according to need" |
Selatius |
Feb-28-07 10:13 AM |
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You did not really answer my question. |
lostinacause |
Feb-28-07 02:05 PM |
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Ultimately, that's a question that's open to interpretation. |
Selatius |
Feb-28-07 04:37 PM |
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Sorry, perhaps I did not make my self clear. |
lostinacause |
Feb-28-07 05:06 PM |
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The scratch out "utility" in my previous posts and substitute... |
Selatius |
Feb-28-07 05:10 PM |
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In a simple world you may not need to . The world is not that simple. |
lostinacause |
Feb-27-07 08:10 PM |
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The law of supply and demand dictates the markets in most cases. |
Selatius |
Feb-28-07 10:40 AM |
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It may not be necessary in a simple world, but the world is not simple. |
lostinacause |
Feb-27-07 08:12 PM |
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In other word, warlords have the right to own slaves and serfs |
eridani |
Feb-26-07 11:10 PM |
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No you don't. |
talkinghead |
Feb-26-07 11:20 PM |
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What's the difference |
manic expression |
Feb-28-07 02:01 PM |
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What warlords? What serfs? |
LittleClarkie |
Feb-26-07 11:25 PM |
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Owning a house is fine. Owning land is not. |
eridani |
Feb-27-07 12:17 AM |
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Then you deplete them |
talkinghead |
Feb-27-07 12:29 AM |
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Your right to own property is determined by one thing, and one thing only |
eridani |
Feb-27-07 01:32 AM |
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Stealing property is not a right |
rman |
Feb-27-07 07:41 AM |
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It is also a gross generalization to say that all private property is acquired by theft. |
talkinghead |
Feb-26-07 10:19 PM |
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It's nothing but 100% of the truth |
eridani |
Feb-26-07 11:08 PM |
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But where does that leave us? |
talkinghead |
Feb-26-07 11:21 PM |
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Any property that was not "made by the hand of man" |
eridani |
Feb-27-07 12:14 AM |
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How do individuals lease the right to something they do not own? |
talkinghead |
Feb-27-07 12:39 AM |
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The same way you rent a house or a storefront n/t |
eridani |
Feb-27-07 01:31 AM |
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Precisely |
manic expression |
Feb-28-07 01:57 PM |
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Me too, but I'd be happier if we weren't trying to overthrow their |
lectrobyte |
Feb-26-07 10:54 PM |
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If, in fact, we are trying to overthrow their government it is wrong. |
talkinghead |
Feb-26-07 11:00 PM |
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again: property is not seized here |
rman |
Feb-27-07 03:57 AM |
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Did they have a choice? |
LittleClarkie |
Feb-26-07 11:27 PM |
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Legal takings are practiced all around the world. |
Warren Stupidity |
Feb-27-07 06:56 PM |
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Chavez can kiss any foreign investment in Venezuela goodbye. |
Dave From Canada |
Feb-26-07 09:22 PM |
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Impoverished people, but a happy impoverished people. |
Balbus |
Feb-26-07 11:58 PM |
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People like leaders who stand to the big bad ___. |
lostinacause |
Feb-27-07 08:18 PM |
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Europe, Russia and China would disagree. |
Vidar |
Feb-28-07 01:52 PM |
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right on right on right on |
robinlynne |
Feb-26-07 10:27 PM |
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Did they have contracts. If so, who negotiated them? |
LittleClarkie |
Feb-26-07 10:31 PM |
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Go Chavez Go!!!! |
and-justice-for-all |
Feb-27-07 01:21 AM |
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A "socialist" would realize that because of the low price our resources are being abused |
lostinacause |
Feb-28-07 02:47 PM |
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I don't have a problem with him nationalizing foreign oil projects. |
Tatiana |
Feb-27-07 02:19 AM |
#84 |
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