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Tue Mar-04-08 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #29 |
| 32. "...If it were due to NAFTA, then why did it take so long for the loss to happen?" |
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for one thing, factories and supply chains can't be built and be brought up and running overnight...there are a lot of considerations & logistics involved in moving production facilities out of the country. as well as things like labor contracts and tax-break deals that have certain time-frame restrictions on a company being able to pull up stakes and move.
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| -Current campaigns aside, was NAFTA really that bad? |
question everything |
Mar-03-08 03:48 PM |
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It might have continued as a slow drip .. NAFTA turned the tap on full force |
LSparkle |
Mar-03-08 03:50 PM |
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Superpowers don't do "free trade" |
Hydra |
Mar-03-08 03:52 PM |
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I think NAFTA is the scapegoat |
leftofcool |
Mar-03-08 03:53 PM |
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Yes, it was (and is) |
Mojambo |
Mar-03-08 03:53 PM |
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Yes it was that bad |
DJ13 |
Mar-03-08 03:54 PM |
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the All American Camaro was made in Canada, the GTO in Australia |
LSK |
Mar-03-08 04:00 PM |
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But |
dmallind |
Mar-03-08 04:03 PM |
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Europe has "isolationist policies" in place |
LSK |
Mar-03-08 04:11 PM |
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Yes it is a red herring because I didn't say that |
dmallind |
Mar-04-08 08:03 AM |
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I agree. And, apparently, the non-union jobs in making Japanese cars |
question everything |
Mar-05-08 11:53 PM |
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The Mustang is made in Flatrock, Michigan (in a Mazda plant!) nt |
Romulox |
Mar-04-08 09:30 AM |
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Not so good for Canada, either. |
AlertLurker |
Mar-04-08 10:06 AM |
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Trade Tariffs |
LSK |
Mar-03-08 03:57 PM |
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Why did real median wage go up until Bushco if our old jobs paid better? |
dmallind |
Mar-03-08 04:06 PM |
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dot.com boom |
LSK |
Mar-03-08 04:09 PM |
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you mean the boom that at it's absolute peak employed less than one tenth |
dmallind |
Mar-04-08 08:08 AM |
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From what I've looked at, median wages grew slower or remained stagnant for the last 20 yrs. |
Selatius |
Mar-04-08 10:15 AM |
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Not so, moot and not so in that order |
dmallind |
Mar-04-08 12:01 PM |
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I concede the first two but still have a thing to say about the last. |
Selatius |
Mar-04-08 02:40 PM |
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Maybe I should have been more lucid |
dmallind |
Mar-04-08 02:52 PM |
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I concede the point on median income at this point. Indeed, by the median numbers, I was wrong. |
Selatius |
Mar-04-08 03:04 PM |
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No disagreement there |
dmallind |
Mar-04-08 03:07 PM |
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Simple on paper, but there'll necessarily be a lot of stonewalling by corporate interests. |
Selatius |
Mar-04-08 03:20 PM |
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No, you were right. He is wrong. |
Hannah Bell |
Mar-04-08 03:55 PM |
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That table is PER CAPITA income |
Hannah Bell |
Mar-04-08 03:27 PM |
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Why is male better than per capita? |
dmallind |
Mar-04-08 03:28 PM |
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Per capita divides total US income by the total population. |
Hannah Bell |
Mar-04-08 03:52 PM |
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and male median is better |
Hannah Bell |
Mar-04-08 04:00 PM |
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Immigration Flood Unleashed by NAFTA's Disastrous Impact |
Disturbed |
Mar-03-08 04:22 PM |
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Good topic |
Andy823 |
Mar-03-08 04:03 PM |
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I think that the problems for farmers in Mexico go back to the 80s, at least |
question everything |
Mar-06-08 12:02 AM |
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NAFTA was NOT a free trade deal!!!!! |
Elwood P Dowd |
Mar-03-08 04:05 PM |
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It appears, though, that the Texas border towns have greatly benefited from it |
question everything |
Mar-06-08 12:05 AM |
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It was Bad, but there is more than Nafta. |
trthnd4jstc |
Mar-03-08 04:09 PM |
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NAFTA.... |
sendero |
Mar-03-08 04:10 PM |
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Actually NAFTA is part of an idea that goes back 400 years |
FogerRox |
Mar-03-08 04:16 PM |
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I think the concept is a sound one.. |
Virginia Dare |
Mar-04-08 08:14 AM |
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NAFTA was one of the best accomplishments of the Clinton administration |
robcon |
Mar-04-08 08:29 AM |
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when you replace decent paying w/benefits for low-paying jobs without benefits- how is that good? |
QuestionAll |
Mar-04-08 12:57 PM |
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NAFTA is unfair because it didn't include minimum safe labor and environmental standards. |
Selatius |
Mar-04-08 10:09 AM |
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i think nafta was great, for the economy it was instituted under |
iamthebandfanman |
Mar-04-08 10:16 AM |
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Was even good for Mexico? |
Johonny |
Mar-04-08 10:22 AM |
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NAFTA is a negative, but Reaganomics and Corporate Leaders (Jack Welch) started the trend |
ReformedChris |
Mar-04-08 10:24 AM |
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Interesting numbers: |
dmallind |
Mar-04-08 12:44 PM |
#29 |
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"...If it were due to NAFTA, then why did it take so long for the loss to happen?" |
QuestionAll |
Mar-04-08 01:04 PM |
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I actually do those things for a living |
dmallind |
Mar-04-08 01:27 PM |
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Who believes stats from cooked books? |
Elwood P Dowd |
Mar-04-08 01:12 PM |
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All numbers are compared to themselves |
dmallind |
Mar-04-08 01:22 PM |
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Your outsourcing job must pay you well. |
Elwood P Dowd |
Mar-04-08 01:55 PM |
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spinning? The guy who actually supplies data doesn't spin |
dmallind |
Mar-04-08 03:02 PM |
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Your data is a worthless joke!! |
Elwood P Dowd |
Mar-04-08 04:07 PM |
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For a person who doesn't know per capita income from median |
Hannah Bell |
Mar-04-08 04:09 PM |
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You seem to be pushing a certain storyline on nafta. |
Hannah Bell |
Mar-04-08 03:47 PM |
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Yes, it was-- and GAT was even moreso. |
Marr |
Mar-04-08 01:03 PM |
#31 |
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Yes. Fair trade, not free trade. The Ohio thing is a sham and a lie. |
Xithras |
Mar-04-08 01:14 PM |
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Ouch, the truth hurts for some here who favor neoliberalism. |
Selatius |
Mar-05-08 02:38 PM |
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NAFTA was only good for those who own the means of production... |
countryjake |
Mar-04-08 04:09 PM |
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Great if you enjoy participating in the race for the bottom... |
warren pease |
Mar-04-08 04:54 PM |
#53 |
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