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16. Immigration Flood Unleashed by NAFTA's Disastrous Impact
on Mexican Economy
by Roger Bybee and Carolyn Winter

The recent ferment on immigration policy has been so narrow that it has excluded the real issue: family-sustaining wages for workers both north and south of the border. The role of the North American Free Trade Agreement and misnamed 'free trade' has been scarcely mentioned in the increasingly bitter debate over the fate of America's 11 to 12 million illegal aliens.

NAFTA was sold to the American public as the magic formula that would improve the American economy at the same time it would raise up the impoverished Mexican economy. The time has come to look at the failures of this type of trade agreement before we engage in more and lower the economic prospects of all workers affected.

While there has been some media coverage of NAFTA's ruinous impact on US industrial communities, there has been even less media attention paid to its catastrophic effects in Mexico:

NAFTA, by permitting heavily-subsidized US corn and other agri-business products to compete with small Mexican farmers, has driven the Mexican farmer off the land due to low-priced imports of US corn and other agricultural products. Some 2 million Mexicans have been forced out of agriculture, and many of those that remain are living in desperate poverty. These people are among those that cross the border to feed their families. (Meanwhile, corn-based tortilla prices climbed by 50%. No wonder many so Mexican peasants have called NAFTA their 'death warrant.'

NAFTA's service-sector rules allowed big firms like Wal-Mart to enter the Mexican market and, selling low-priced goods made by ultra-cheap labor in China, to displace locally-based shoe, toy, and candy firms. An estimated 28,000 small and medium-sized Mexican businesses have been eliminated.
Wages along the Mexican border have actually been driven down by about 25% since NAFTA, reported a Carnegie Endowment study. An over-supply of workers, combined with the crushing of union organizing drives as government policy, has resulted in sweatshop pay running sweatshops along the border where wages typically run 60 cents to $1 an hour.

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  -Current campaigns aside, was NAFTA really that bad? question everything  Mar-03-08 03:48 PM   #0 
  - It might have continued as a slow drip .. NAFTA turned the tap on full force  LSparkle   Mar-03-08 03:50 PM   #1 
  - Superpowers don't do "free trade"  Hydra   Mar-03-08 03:52 PM   #2 
  - I think NAFTA is the scapegoat  leftofcool   Mar-03-08 03:53 PM   #3 
  - Yes, it was (and is)  Mojambo   Mar-03-08 03:53 PM   #4 
  - Yes it was that bad  DJ13   Mar-03-08 03:54 PM   #5 
  - the All American Camaro was made in Canada, the GTO in Australia  LSK   Mar-03-08 04:00 PM   #7 
  - But  dmallind   Mar-03-08 04:03 PM   # 
  - Europe has "isolationist policies" in place  LSK   Mar-03-08 04:11 PM   #14 
  - Yes it is a red herring because I didn't say that  dmallind   Mar-04-08 08:03 AM   #17 
  - I agree. And, apparently, the non-union jobs in making Japanese cars  question everything   Mar-05-08 11:53 PM   #55 
  - The Mustang is made in Flatrock, Michigan (in a Mazda plant!) nt  Romulox   Mar-04-08 09:30 AM   #21 
  - Not so good for Canada, either.  AlertLurker   Mar-04-08 10:06 AM   #22 
  - Trade Tariffs  LSK   Mar-03-08 03:57 PM   #6 
  - Why did real median wage go up until Bushco if our old jobs paid better?  dmallind   Mar-03-08 04:06 PM   #10 
  - boom  LSK   Mar-03-08 04:09 PM   #11 
     - you mean the boom that at it's absolute peak employed less than one tenth  dmallind   Mar-04-08 08:08 AM   #18 
        - From what I've looked at, median wages grew slower or remained stagnant for the last 20 yrs.  Selatius   Mar-04-08 10:15 AM   #24 
           - Not so, moot and not so in that order  dmallind   Mar-04-08 12:01 PM   #28 
              - I concede the first two but still have a thing to say about the last.  Selatius   Mar-04-08 02:40 PM   #38 
              - Maybe I should have been more lucid  dmallind   Mar-04-08 02:52 PM   #39 
              - I concede the point on median income at this point. Indeed, by the median numbers, I was wrong.  Selatius   Mar-04-08 03:04 PM   #41 
                 - No disagreement there  dmallind   Mar-04-08 03:07 PM   #42 
                    - Simple on paper, but there'll necessarily be a lot of stonewalling by corporate interests.  Selatius   Mar-04-08 03:20 PM   #43 
              - No, you were right. He is wrong.  Hannah Bell   Mar-04-08 03:55 PM   #48 
              - That table is PER CAPITA income  Hannah Bell   Mar-04-08 03:27 PM   #44 
                 - Why is male better than per capita?  dmallind   Mar-04-08 03:28 PM   #45 
                    - Per capita divides total US income by the total population.  Hannah Bell   Mar-04-08 03:52 PM   #47 
                       - and male median is better  Hannah Bell   Mar-04-08 04:00 PM   #49 
  - Immigration Flood Unleashed by NAFTA's Disastrous Impact  Disturbed   Mar-03-08 04:22 PM   #16 
  - Good topic  Andy823   Mar-03-08 04:03 PM   #8 
  - I think that the problems for farmers in Mexico go back to the 80s, at least  question everything   Mar-06-08 12:02 AM   #56 
  - NAFTA was NOT a free trade deal!!!!!  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-03-08 04:05 PM   #9 
  - It appears, though, that the Texas border towns have greatly benefited from it  question everything   Mar-06-08 12:05 AM   #57 
  - It was Bad, but there is more than Nafta.  trthnd4jstc   Mar-03-08 04:09 PM   #12 
  - NAFTA....  sendero   Mar-03-08 04:10 PM   #13 
  - Actually NAFTA is part of an idea that goes back 400 years  FogerRox   Mar-03-08 04:16 PM   #15 
  - I think the concept is a sound one..  Virginia Dare   Mar-04-08 08:14 AM   #19 
  - NAFTA was one of the best accomplishments of the Clinton administration  robcon   Mar-04-08 08:29 AM   #20 
  - when you replace decent paying w/benefits for low-paying jobs without benefits- how is that good?  QuestionAll   Mar-04-08 12:57 PM   #30 
  - NAFTA is unfair because it didn't include minimum safe labor and environmental standards.  Selatius   Mar-04-08 10:09 AM   #23 
  - i think nafta was great, for the economy it was instituted under  iamthebandfanman   Mar-04-08 10:16 AM   #25 
  - Was even good for Mexico?  Johonny   Mar-04-08 10:22 AM   #26 
  - NAFTA is a negative, but Reaganomics and Corporate Leaders (Jack Welch) started the trend  ReformedChris   Mar-04-08 10:24 AM   #27 
  - Interesting numbers:  dmallind   Mar-04-08 12:44 PM   #29 
  - "...If it were due to NAFTA, then why did it take so long for the loss to happen?"  QuestionAll   Mar-04-08 01:04 PM   #32 
  - I actually do those things for a living  dmallind   Mar-04-08 01:27 PM   #36 
  - Who believes stats from cooked books?  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-04-08 01:12 PM   #33 
  - All numbers are compared to themselves  dmallind   Mar-04-08 01:22 PM   #35 
     - Your outsourcing job must pay you well.  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-04-08 01:55 PM   #37 
     - spinning? The guy who actually supplies data doesn't spin  dmallind   Mar-04-08 03:02 PM   #40 
        - Your data is a worthless joke!!  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-04-08 04:07 PM   #50 
     - For a person who doesn't know per capita income from median  Hannah Bell   Mar-04-08 04:09 PM   #52 
  - You seem to be pushing a certain storyline on nafta.  Hannah Bell   Mar-04-08 03:47 PM   #46 
  - Yes, it was-- and GAT was even moreso.  Marr   Mar-04-08 01:03 PM   #31 
  - Yes. Fair trade, not free trade. The Ohio thing is a sham and a lie.  Xithras   Mar-04-08 01:14 PM   #34 
  - Ouch, the truth hurts for some here who favor neoliberalism.  Selatius   Mar-05-08 02:38 PM   #54 
  - NAFTA was only good for those who own the means of production...  countryjake   Mar-04-08 04:09 PM   #51 
  - Great if you enjoy participating in the race for the bottom...  warren pease   Mar-04-08 04:54 PM   #53 

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