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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:53 PM
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3. I think NAFTA is the scapegoat
Certainly, some jobs have been lost in some parts of the country while other parts have benefited. The real problem I believe is the outsourcing of jobs.

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  -Current campaigns aside, was NAFTA really that bad? question everything  Mar-03-08 03:48 PM   #0 
  - It might have continued as a slow drip .. NAFTA turned the tap on full force  LSparkle   Mar-03-08 03:50 PM   #1 
  - Superpowers don't do "free trade"  Hydra   Mar-03-08 03:52 PM   #2 
  - I think NAFTA is the scapegoat  leftofcool   Mar-03-08 03:53 PM   #3 
  - Yes, it was (and is)  Mojambo   Mar-03-08 03:53 PM   #4 
  - Yes it was that bad  DJ13   Mar-03-08 03:54 PM   #5 
  - the All American Camaro was made in Canada, the GTO in Australia  LSK   Mar-03-08 04:00 PM   #7 
  - But  dmallind   Mar-03-08 04:03 PM   # 
  - Europe has "isolationist policies" in place  LSK   Mar-03-08 04:11 PM   #14 
  - Yes it is a red herring because I didn't say that  dmallind   Mar-04-08 08:03 AM   #17 
  - I agree. And, apparently, the non-union jobs in making Japanese cars  question everything   Mar-05-08 11:53 PM   #55 
  - The Mustang is made in Flatrock, Michigan (in a Mazda plant!) nt  Romulox   Mar-04-08 09:30 AM   #21 
  - Not so good for Canada, either.  AlertLurker   Mar-04-08 10:06 AM   #22 
  - Trade Tariffs  LSK   Mar-03-08 03:57 PM   #6 
  - Why did real median wage go up until Bushco if our old jobs paid better?  dmallind   Mar-03-08 04:06 PM   #10 
  - boom  LSK   Mar-03-08 04:09 PM   #11 
     - you mean the boom that at it's absolute peak employed less than one tenth  dmallind   Mar-04-08 08:08 AM   #18 
        - From what I've looked at, median wages grew slower or remained stagnant for the last 20 yrs.  Selatius   Mar-04-08 10:15 AM   #24 
           - Not so, moot and not so in that order  dmallind   Mar-04-08 12:01 PM   #28 
              - I concede the first two but still have a thing to say about the last.  Selatius   Mar-04-08 02:40 PM   #38 
              - Maybe I should have been more lucid  dmallind   Mar-04-08 02:52 PM   #39 
              - I concede the point on median income at this point. Indeed, by the median numbers, I was wrong.  Selatius   Mar-04-08 03:04 PM   #41 
                 - No disagreement there  dmallind   Mar-04-08 03:07 PM   #42 
                    - Simple on paper, but there'll necessarily be a lot of stonewalling by corporate interests.  Selatius   Mar-04-08 03:20 PM   #43 
              - No, you were right. He is wrong.  Hannah Bell   Mar-04-08 03:55 PM   #48 
              - That table is PER CAPITA income  Hannah Bell   Mar-04-08 03:27 PM   #44 
                 - Why is male better than per capita?  dmallind   Mar-04-08 03:28 PM   #45 
                    - Per capita divides total US income by the total population.  Hannah Bell   Mar-04-08 03:52 PM   #47 
                       - and male median is better  Hannah Bell   Mar-04-08 04:00 PM   #49 
  - Immigration Flood Unleashed by NAFTA's Disastrous Impact  Disturbed   Mar-03-08 04:22 PM   #16 
  - Good topic  Andy823   Mar-03-08 04:03 PM   #8 
  - I think that the problems for farmers in Mexico go back to the 80s, at least  question everything   Mar-06-08 12:02 AM   #56 
  - NAFTA was NOT a free trade deal!!!!!  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-03-08 04:05 PM   #9 
  - It appears, though, that the Texas border towns have greatly benefited from it  question everything   Mar-06-08 12:05 AM   #57 
  - It was Bad, but there is more than Nafta.  trthnd4jstc   Mar-03-08 04:09 PM   #12 
  - NAFTA....  sendero   Mar-03-08 04:10 PM   #13 
  - Actually NAFTA is part of an idea that goes back 400 years  FogerRox   Mar-03-08 04:16 PM   #15 
  - I think the concept is a sound one..  Virginia Dare   Mar-04-08 08:14 AM   #19 
  - NAFTA was one of the best accomplishments of the Clinton administration  robcon   Mar-04-08 08:29 AM   #20 
  - when you replace decent paying w/benefits for low-paying jobs without benefits- how is that good?  QuestionAll   Mar-04-08 12:57 PM   #30 
  - NAFTA is unfair because it didn't include minimum safe labor and environmental standards.  Selatius   Mar-04-08 10:09 AM   #23 
  - i think nafta was great, for the economy it was instituted under  iamthebandfanman   Mar-04-08 10:16 AM   #25 
  - Was even good for Mexico?  Johonny   Mar-04-08 10:22 AM   #26 
  - NAFTA is a negative, but Reaganomics and Corporate Leaders (Jack Welch) started the trend  ReformedChris   Mar-04-08 10:24 AM   #27 
  - Interesting numbers:  dmallind   Mar-04-08 12:44 PM   #29 
  - "...If it were due to NAFTA, then why did it take so long for the loss to happen?"  QuestionAll   Mar-04-08 01:04 PM   #32 
  - I actually do those things for a living  dmallind   Mar-04-08 01:27 PM   #36 
  - Who believes stats from cooked books?  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-04-08 01:12 PM   #33 
  - All numbers are compared to themselves  dmallind   Mar-04-08 01:22 PM   #35 
     - Your outsourcing job must pay you well.  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-04-08 01:55 PM   #37 
     - spinning? The guy who actually supplies data doesn't spin  dmallind   Mar-04-08 03:02 PM   #40 
        - Your data is a worthless joke!!  Elwood P Dowd   Mar-04-08 04:07 PM   #50 
     - For a person who doesn't know per capita income from median  Hannah Bell   Mar-04-08 04:09 PM   #52 
  - You seem to be pushing a certain storyline on nafta.  Hannah Bell   Mar-04-08 03:47 PM   #46 
  - Yes, it was-- and GAT was even moreso.  Marr   Mar-04-08 01:03 PM   #31 
  - Yes. Fair trade, not free trade. The Ohio thing is a sham and a lie.  Xithras   Mar-04-08 01:14 PM   #34 
  - Ouch, the truth hurts for some here who favor neoliberalism.  Selatius   Mar-05-08 02:38 PM   #54 
  - NAFTA was only good for those who own the means of production...  countryjake   Mar-04-08 04:09 PM   #51 
  - Great if you enjoy participating in the race for the bottom...  warren pease   Mar-04-08 04:54 PM   #53 

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