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100. Secret Service protection was increased not decreased

I was watching the debate and became very concerned several times because I saw behavior from the secret service that showed they were on a much heightened footing in dealing with Mr Obama. I said to myself at the time I wonder what triggered this, and with my concerns raised, I hope he is going to be ok.

It was after the debate that I saw this headline and discussion and I realize now I have the opposite reaction and am very comfortable with his protection.

I will not justify why there was a takedown of security but I can speculate and I guarantee you from the observation of the final minutes of the debate coverage that the Secet service was not happy with the decision and likely not the orginator.

It was likely a people moving logistics decision, to get more people into the debate quickly that caused the screening takedown.

There are many debatable points why that could be a bad idea, but the least point is if someone was going to try to get a weapon in they know there are checkpoints, they are going to bypass that route anyways.

What ever the reason or regardless of who decided for them to go down, the secret service compensated quite heavily and it was clear that they were fully aware that Mr Obama was a higher target threat level then Ms. Clinton.

This is demonstrated very clearly in the CNN footage at the close of the debate and it was these last few minute that raised my initial concern.

After the debate while the candidates were at the footlights signing autographs and handshaking Ms. Clinton had an obvious Secret Service detail at wing point dispatch and an observer scanning the crowd. These agents were loose and about 6 to 10 feet off her flanks, at each shoulder point, and the observer at the stage footline was several people away.

Mr Obama's detail was much different, and maintained a very controlled tight bubble while maintaining his ability to interact.

This bubble was in plain site but a casual observer could miss the Secret Service behavior because they are effective at what they do.

Mr Obama had two agents at wingpoint maintaining distances of 2 to 3 feet (as opposed to the more casual 6 to 10 feet of Ms Clinton) from his back shoulders. There were two line observers at the floor. These agents were were forming a cone of contact(funneling people between them to Mr Obama) that at all times maintained less than arms length distance from Mr Obama and each other in that controlled enviroment.

There was a third observer on the stage with Mr Obama looking into the crowd at all points.

It was this agent that originally raised my hackles and concern because he was obviously functioning as a body manager. This agent was within the wingpoints agent's bubble of protection looking over Mr Obamas shoulder but almost always in physical contact with him. His hands were at all times on Mr Obamas back or hip at finger touch. The line observers on the floor were very tactile and capable of hand swiping anything in front of Mr Obama's field of contact by hand.

In addition there were two agents to the left or right on the stage that were nearly holding Mr Obamas hand in direction of movement( literally reaching out to him at almost every step he took one direction or the other) on the stage and maintaining a clear path of removal at all times.

I am also sure that in addition to these observable details there were other such bubbles of control and observation containing each layer of this close quarter detail.

The compliment to the Secret Service is they did this massive choreographed dance of protection under the eyes of all those cameras and unless you looked for the specifics it was very easy to miss. Watch the hands on contact of the Body Manager agent in direct contact with Mr Obama and it all becomes clear just how safe he was.

Rest assured Mr Obama is in good hands and while the headlines of security removal scream to the fear that many are afraid to admit or are ready to take arms and claim conspiracy over, take a few minutes to watch the footage from the end of the debates to watch what real active protection is about rather than the somewhat fake comfort, passive peace of mind protection that weapons screening gives us.
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  -Secret Service Halts Obama security in Dallas whereismyparty  Feb-21-08 04:05 PM   #0 
  - For Gods sake; they screen for weapons at rock concerts. Is he not  babylonsister   Feb-21-08 04:07 PM   #1 
  - I guess he's not a rockstar  Omega3   Feb-21-08 05:01 PM   #43 
     - Secret Service protection was increased not decreased  ThatBozGuy   Feb-22-08 08:55 AM   #100 
        - You sound like you know your stuff!  colorado_ufo   Feb-22-08 10:12 AM   #112 
        - Dallas rally, not the Austin debate  BlueSky221   Feb-22-08 03:31 PM   #127 
  - It is MORE THAN WORRISOME !!  discerning christian   Feb-21-08 04:09 PM   #2 
  - what worries me is the signal this story sends to all the nutters out there  lynnertic   Feb-22-08 05:26 AM   #90 
  - Maybe he should have his own bodyguards.  alyce douglas   Feb-22-08 09:27 AM   #104 
     - he did when I met him during the 2006 campaign in IL  LSK   Feb-22-08 12:01 PM   #117 
  - Why does this shit always happen in MY state?  End Of The Road   Feb-21-08 04:09 PM   #3 
  - They don't need to!!  discerning christian   Feb-21-08 04:12 PM   #6 
  - Sorry, I was referring to the total lack of security  End Of The Road   Feb-21-08 04:16 PM   #10 
  - LOL. There is an apparent pattern here with Texas, isn't there?  whereismyparty   Feb-21-08 05:00 PM   #42 
  - Texas was a democratic state till Rove came here.  rainman99   Feb-21-08 05:41 PM   #65 
  - We had a Kennedy assasinated in my state too...  Taverner   Feb-22-08 01:30 PM   #120 
  - Same here. How embarrassing.  rainman99   Feb-21-08 05:41 PM   #64 
     - i am in texas too.... hey.... where are ALL the newbies coming from. tons....  seabeyond   Feb-21-08 11:07 PM   #85 
  - I have been concerned about the SS being under the control of Bush** Co. when  AlinPA   Feb-21-08 04:10 PM   #4 
  - I wouldn't worry so much about the SS being under their control  Laurab   Feb-21-08 04:57 PM   #40 
     - Hasn't the SS been purged of anyone not a Bush loyalist?  herbster   Feb-21-08 10:41 PM   #82 
        - You might be right - since 2001 it may have changed.  Laurab   Feb-22-08 10:00 AM   #111 
           - I've got a flow chart for Homeland Security, and  Joolz   Feb-22-08 10:55 AM   #113 
              - I guess it's not surprising.  Laurab   Feb-22-08 12:12 PM   #118 
  - Your concern is very valid  panader0   Feb-21-08 04:11 PM   #5 
  - I have been thinking the same thing.  alyce douglas   Feb-22-08 09:31 AM   #105 
  - "It seemed a friendly crowd"?? WTF! Idiots!!  wienerdoggie   Feb-21-08 04:14 PM   #7 
  - You can't say that Dallas doesn't love you  jimshoes   Feb-21-08 04:39 PM   #28 
  - Do they let Bush wander around "apparently friendly" crowds without SS protection and  tblue37   Feb-21-08 04:44 PM   #29 
  - It boggles the mind, this reasoning. I've never heard anything so criminally stupid.  wienerdoggie   Feb-21-08 04:45 PM   #30 
     - I'm starting to get the feeling it isn't criminally stupid. Just criminal.  grace0418   Feb-21-08 05:12 PM   #49 
  - just like how there were friendly crowds in Dallas in 1963?????  alyce douglas   Feb-22-08 09:37 AM   #107 
  - WTF?  GloriaSmith   Feb-21-08 04:16 PM   #8 
  - Why does this surprise?  vmaus   Feb-21-08 04:16 PM   #9 
  - Yep.  John Q. Citizen   Feb-21-08 04:23 PM   #21 
  - any person that is for the people they manage to eliminate.  alyce douglas   Feb-22-08 09:35 AM   #106 
  - yet they manage to screen T-SHIRTS when Bush speaks in public....  mike_c   Feb-21-08 04:16 PM   #11 
  - DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER!  elehhhhna   Feb-21-08 04:19 PM   #17 
  - !!!  tblue37   Feb-21-08 04:45 PM   #31 
  - yeah, but not as many people show up to hear him speak.  gkhouston   Feb-21-08 04:58 PM   #41 
  - ,...and bumper stickers and lapel buttons. I'm with you: LAME!  sicksicksick_N_tired   Feb-21-08 05:12 PM   #48 
  - I think the right questions.....  UncleTomsEvilBrother   Feb-22-08 02:05 AM   #88 
  - " It seemed a friendly crowd.."  DJ13   Feb-21-08 04:17 PM   #12 
  - Grrrecommended.  dicksteele   Feb-21-08 04:17 PM   #13 
  - Like nothing ever happened in Dallas  Ichingcarpenter   Feb-21-08 04:17 PM   #14 
  - This scars me to death  keep_it_real   Feb-21-08 04:18 PM   #15 
  - All it takes is one unfriendly scumbag from Freeper Nation  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Feb-21-08 04:18 PM   #16 
  - I can imagine the riots now.  elehhhhna   Feb-21-08 04:20 PM   #18 
  - "Seemed like a friendly crowd" . . .  no_hypocrisy   Feb-21-08 04:20 PM   #19 
  - Oh geez...  grace0418   Feb-21-08 05:14 PM   #53 
  - I was there.  blklthrjkt   Feb-21-08 04:23 PM   #20 
  - Welcome to DU  GloriaSmith   Feb-21-08 04:25 PM   #23 
  - Welcome to DU!  whereismyparty   Feb-21-08 05:05 PM   #45 
  - this has happened before  Enrique   Feb-21-08 04:25 PM   #22 
  - This is an outrage. n/t  trashcanistanista   Feb-21-08 04:27 PM   #24 
  - wtf...obama should wake up and get protection for himself  natrat   Feb-21-08 04:31 PM   #25 
  - HOLD ON THERE!  cbayer   Feb-21-08 04:31 PM   #26 
  - Here's the correct link.  whereismyparty   Feb-21-08 04:46 PM   #33 
  - Thank you very much.  cbayer   Feb-21-08 04:50 PM   #35 
     - Wait a minute.The article does not say that HE called it off.  whereismyparty   Feb-21-08 04:56 PM   #39 
     - Which is what the officers would observe if the Obama campaign called it off  jberryhill   Feb-21-08 05:14 PM   #50 
     - I was referring to this line in your post:  cbayer   Feb-21-08 05:14 PM   #52 
        - Oh. Sorry. My bad.  whereismyparty   Feb-21-08 05:19 PM   #55 
     - Glad you approve  catgirl   Feb-21-08 05:37 PM   #61 
        - Are you talking to me? nt.  cbayer   Feb-21-08 05:54 PM   #68 
        - I'm not sure anymore  catgirl   Feb-22-08 02:11 PM   #122 
        - The notion that the Clintons wold have him killed  MonkeyFunk   Feb-22-08 05:55 AM   #93 
           - Please don't put words in my mouth  catgirl   Feb-22-08 03:55 PM   #128 
  - I walked into the arena in Dallas for the Obama rally  Texas Explorer   Feb-22-08 11:12 AM   #114 
  - Everybody knows...  Indy Lurker   Feb-21-08 04:32 PM   #27 
  - I saw the same thing with Kerry events in PA  RamboLiberal   Feb-21-08 04:46 PM   #32 
  - I saw the same thing happen in Philadelphia right before the DNC Convention  bklyncowgirl   Feb-22-08 05:33 AM   #91 
  - This is serious.  JDPriestly   Feb-21-08 04:47 PM   #34 
  - I am SO LIVID with ObamaCo right now. It's almost as if he WANTS to  Truth Hurts A Lot   Feb-21-08 06:38 PM   #73 
     - not offensive  beezlebum   Feb-22-08 11:47 AM   #116 
  - Wilco. Tango. Foxtrot.  grace0418   Feb-21-08 04:51 PM   #36 
  - It is worrisome - every time we get someone who would  NoBushSpokenHere   Feb-21-08 04:52 PM   #37 
  - Wow!!  malaise   Feb-21-08 04:53 PM   #38 
  - I wonder if he knows he's not being guarded  shraby   Feb-21-08 05:05 PM   #44 
  - Sorry...  ngGale   Feb-21-08 05:07 PM   #46 
  - This is too bizarre to be a mistake or bad judgment.  grace0418   Feb-21-08 05:10 PM   #47 
  - could be alot of fishy things going on.  alyce douglas   Feb-22-08 09:46 AM   #109 
  - I think it was just a case of being unprepared for the no. of people trying to attend.  moc   Feb-21-08 05:14 PM   #51 
  - NO excuse. They toyed with the life of Obama as well as thousands of spectators. n/t  whereismyparty   Feb-21-08 05:18 PM   #54 
     - I didn't say it was an excuse. I just think any analogies to the  moc   Feb-21-08 05:25 PM   #58 
  - " It seemed a friendly crowd.." Just what Benazir thought.  WinkyDink   Feb-21-08 05:19 PM   #56 
  - Looks like I am not the only one who drew the up the Dallas connection.  sarcasmo   Feb-21-08 05:23 PM   #57 
  - Incompetence can be found anywhere. I don't think it's any more interesting than that.  moc   Feb-21-08 05:26 PM   #59 
  - k&r  uppityperson   Feb-21-08 05:29 PM   #60 
  - Ah jeez.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-21-08 05:39 PM   #62 
  - Would like hear their side  dbmk   Feb-21-08 05:40 PM   #63 
  - That's my first impulse, but still...  Hobarticus   Feb-21-08 11:18 PM   #87 
  - I will never fucking forgive the SS if they let something happen.  backscatter712   Feb-21-08 05:42 PM   #66 
  - Here in SF with a crowd of 5-6K people, they ended up doing the the same thing.  AtomicKitten   Feb-21-08 05:44 PM   #67 
  - I seem to remember another political figure  leftofthedial   Feb-21-08 05:57 PM   #69 
  - Holy shit.  BlueIris   Feb-21-08 06:11 PM   #70 
  - we know who is commander in chief of the SS  spanone   Feb-21-08 06:25 PM   #71 
  - I do find that very disturbing, as I just was wondering about his safety  Truth Hurts A Lot   Feb-21-08 06:28 PM   #72 
  - this is something that must be pushed into the forefront.  alyce douglas   Feb-22-08 02:30 PM   #123 
  - There was no screening in LA's Ambassador Hotel in 1968, either  Canuckistanian   Feb-21-08 06:45 PM   #74 
  - You all realize  WilyWondr   Feb-21-08 06:50 PM   #75 
  - They did that for Kerry here in '04.  TheFriendlyAnarchist   Feb-21-08 06:53 PM   #76 
  - Your concern is most definitely not misplaced  rosetta627   Feb-21-08 07:05 PM   #77 
  - ultimately it's his own responsibility to watch out for himself and take care with who he trusts  natrat   Feb-21-08 08:09 PM   #78 
  - How outrages. What is their reason for stopping this screening  midnight   Feb-21-08 08:23 PM   #79 
  - There was a *friendly* crowd in a ballroom in Los Angles in June of 1968, too. nt  puebloknot   Feb-21-08 08:25 PM   #80 
  - this is absolutely terrifying . . . someone's ass needs to be hauled before Congress . . .  OneBlueSky   Feb-21-08 10:24 PM   #81 
  - are they CRAZY? why would they do such a stupid thing like that?  orleans   Feb-21-08 10:48 PM   #83 
  - Sons of bitches! Just like Kennedy's CIA bumper rider, waived off.  lonestarnot   Feb-21-08 10:51 PM   #84 
     - You mean his Secret Service bumper rider  Frank Cannon   Feb-22-08 05:59 AM   #94 
        - Ooops yes. That is what I meant. Secret Service.  lonestarnot   Feb-22-08 08:28 PM   #132 
  - It indicates that his choice of veep is paramount.  greyhound1966   Feb-21-08 11:09 PM   #86 
  - Calls to mind  rambler_american   Feb-22-08 04:42 AM   #89 
  - Stunning nt  CJCRANE   Feb-22-08 07:15 AM   #99 
  - There is no excuse what so ever for this!!! If anything happens this  michaz   Feb-22-08 05:48 AM   #92 
  - Maybe it's time for Obama to hire security that ISN'T the Secret Service  TexasObserver   Feb-22-08 06:00 AM   #95 
  - Sounds like Bush wants Obama ASSASSINATED!  Kablooie   Feb-22-08 06:47 AM   #96 
  - I have been getting really nervous  spiritual_gunfighter   Feb-22-08 07:04 AM   #98 
  - Need to hear from Obama's campaign  OzarkDem   Feb-22-08 06:56 AM   #97 
  - K&R big time.  rosetta627   Feb-22-08 09:08 AM   #101 
  - this happened at every Kerry rally in Fla where i am.. in 2004..  flyarm   Feb-22-08 09:20 AM   #102 
  - it troubles me too,  alyce douglas   Feb-22-08 09:24 AM   #103 
  - WTF is THAT all about?????  npincus   Feb-22-08 09:45 AM   #108 
  - I find this very troubling.  alyce douglas   Feb-22-08 09:57 AM   #110 
  - i spoke with the ss  kentj44   Feb-22-08 11:19 AM   #115 
  - welcome to DU kentj44!!  alyce douglas   Feb-22-08 01:11 PM   #119 
     - it is very disturbing  kentj44   Feb-22-08 01:40 PM   #121 
        - I would of said because I am an American citizen!!!  alyce douglas   Feb-22-08 02:32 PM   #124 
  - This puts Obama on par with Hillary Clinton.  Wizard777   Feb-22-08 02:48 PM   #125 
  - Obama has gotten secret service way before most other candidates ever has!  flyarm   Feb-22-08 03:22 PM   #126 
  - "OBAMA WILL DIE, KKK FOREVER"; "Nigger President"; "Look out nigger, the Klan is getting bigger"...  NorthernSpy   Feb-22-08 04:32 PM   #129 
  - why are you so ugly and nasty? Do you hate facts so much?  flyarm   Feb-22-08 05:35 PM   #130 
     - I think you are the one who is ignoring the facts!  B Calm   Feb-22-08 06:20 PM   #131 
     - those were real quotes advocating the assassination of Barack Obama...  NorthernSpy   Feb-23-08 11:30 AM   #134 
  - actually,  beezlebum   Feb-23-08 07:56 AM   #133 
  - The Secret Service had better protect Obama like their own lives depend on his survival.  backscatter712   Feb-23-08 11:40 AM   #135 
 

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