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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:03 PM
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27. "If I mention "doctors" it's safe to assume I'm making a general assumption about a trend."
Well, given the level of hostility towards medicine, physicians, and science in general with certain posters on DU I wouldn't say that such an assumption is safe at all.

I included the all to draw out whether or not you think that there are exceptions to the trend that you are claiming.

My doc happens to be a good doc, but even I know that anecdotal evidence = crap when it comes to wider discussions. I do think that there is too much collusion between primary care docs and the pharmaceutical companies in the form of drug reps (even though they can perform a valuable service - at least ideally), and that there are some docs who don't have the wherewithal or the time to review a patients medical history (even when it comes to something as simple and vitally important as reviewing a list of current medications). I would hardly say, however, that the hysterics of claiming that docs are pushing any and all meds "mercilessly" benefits your cause much. In the end, it just makes you come off as...well...hysterical.
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  -NIU shooter's drugs: Prozac, Ambien, and Xanax Bozita  Feb-20-08 01:25 PM   #0 
  - Too bad he stopped using them.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-20-08 01:26 PM   #1 
  - um, maybe that's true of the prozac -- not the ambien  pitohui   Feb-20-08 01:35 PM   #3 
     - There are lots of problems with psch drugs, including Prozac  AikidoSoul   Feb-21-08 12:58 AM   #58 
     - Sorry about your brother. I think these drugs do sometimes help people, but more often that not, a  IsItJustMe   Feb-21-08 08:25 AM   #68 
     - Ambien helps alot of people but it was hell for me. Took it after major surgery  Beausoir   Feb-21-08 04:41 PM   #71 
  - he was obviously not still taking the xanax  NightWatcher   Feb-20-08 01:27 PM   #2 
  - Actually, I know a bit about anti-depressant tapering...  Imagine My Surprise   Feb-20-08 01:50 PM   #4 
     - Yep. And I'd like to know why this kid wasn't on anti-psychotic meds.  sfexpat2000   Feb-20-08 01:51 PM   #5 
     - Why should he have been?  lizzy   Feb-21-08 12:20 AM   #40 
     - What suggests he needed them?  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-21-08 12:26 AM   #44 
        - Agreed There are not counltess violent psychotics.  sfexpat2000   Feb-21-08 05:13 AM   #67 
     - This is true  subliminable   Feb-20-08 02:12 PM   #8 
  - April 2000-Lilly's legal strategy disarmed Prozac lawyers  fed-up   Feb-20-08 01:58 PM   #6 
  - Why should the lawyers make money off of this?  penguin7   Feb-20-08 03:17 PM   #17 
  - So is it the drugs' fault?  varkam   Feb-20-08 02:09 PM   #7 
  - possibly-these powerful drugs can cause profound changes in thought patterns  fed-up   Feb-20-08 02:21 PM   #9 
  - could be...  varkam   Feb-20-08 02:24 PM   #10 
     - that is why they are termed "rare" adverse effects-here are some patient reports  fed-up   Feb-20-08 02:40 PM   #11 
     - I don't see homicidal rage in that list of side effects.  varkam   Feb-20-08 02:51 PM   #14 
        - Here ya go (not side effects, but withdrawal symptoms)  wtmusic   Feb-20-08 03:07 PM   #15 
           - Right. But I was talking about ADRs of the drug itself...  varkam   Feb-20-08 03:41 PM   #18 
              - Doctors are pushing any and all meds mercilessly  wtmusic   Feb-20-08 03:51 PM   #20 
              - All doctors are "pushing any and all meds mercilessly"?  varkam   Feb-20-08 03:54 PM   #21 
                 - The "all" is yours. But nice try.  wtmusic   Feb-20-08 03:57 PM   #22 
                    - "If I mention "doctors" it's safe to assume I'm making a general assumption about a trend."  varkam   Feb-20-08 05:03 PM   #27 
                       - Lumping disdain for physicians and science together is...presumptive  wtmusic   Feb-20-08 06:29 PM   #30 
                          - I see it a lot here on DU.  varkam   Feb-20-08 08:42 PM   #32 
                             - I can only back up what I've seen  wtmusic   Feb-20-08 11:52 PM   #33 
                                - Then we have had different experiences.  AZCat   Feb-21-08 12:15 AM   #36 
                                - Medicine is a business, not a charity  wtmusic   Feb-21-08 12:29 AM   #46 
                                   - So docs handing out free meds is somehow an insidious plot...  varkam   Feb-21-08 12:36 AM   #48 
                                   - Well...  wtmusic   Feb-21-08 12:40 AM   #51 
                                      - "you can straw man it to death but its purpose is most definitely to make more money."  varkam   Feb-21-08 12:55 AM   #57 
                                      - Good stuff to know:  wtmusic   Feb-21-08 01:06 AM   #61 
                                      - Sorry - guess I misjudged your sense of humor.  varkam   Feb-21-08 01:12 AM   #65 
                                   - When did I claim it wasn't?  AZCat   Feb-21-08 12:38 AM   #50 
                                      - My mechanic is required by CA law to give me an estimate up front  wtmusic   Feb-21-08 12:44 AM   #52 
                                         - You need to switch doctors.  AZCat   Feb-21-08 12:45 AM   #53 
                                         - delete  wtmusic   Feb-21-08 12:47 AM   #54 
                                         - Let me get this straight:  wtmusic   Feb-21-08 12:48 AM   #55 
                                         - Having fun with those strawmen?  AZCat   Feb-21-08 12:54 AM   #56 
                                         - Calm down, there are no strawmen here.  wtmusic   Feb-21-08 12:58 AM   #59 
                                         - Again, you're presenting a strawman.  AZCat   Feb-21-08 01:01 AM   #60 
                                         - So your doctor's preliminary exam is free?  wtmusic   Feb-21-08 01:08 AM   #63 
                                         - No, but I know how much it costs.  AZCat   Feb-21-08 01:11 AM   #64 
                                - You do understand that anecdotal evidence is bad evidence, right?  varkam   Feb-21-08 12:17 AM   #38 
                                   - You just said anecdotal evidence is bad in respond to a post that you titled "I've seen it a lot  readmoreoften   Feb-21-08 12:20 AM   #41 
                                      - You should readmoreoften.  varkam   Feb-21-08 12:33 AM   #47 
                                         - Oh calm down. I was just messing with you.  readmoreoften   Feb-21-08 01:06 AM   #62 
                                            - Sorry - I get uppity at times.  varkam   Feb-21-08 04:10 AM   #66 
              - from prozac dot com-where the adverse effects are very, very, very carefully worded  fed-up   Feb-20-08 05:00 PM   #26 
                 - But it seems that the majority of the evidence  varkam   Feb-20-08 05:04 PM   #28 
     - That's my guess-drugs don't work on every patient  noonwitch   Feb-20-08 03:11 PM   #16 
  - You better believe it is.  readmoreoften   Feb-21-08 12:19 AM   #39 
  - Ambien has been implicated in some very odd episodes.  yardwork   Feb-20-08 02:41 PM   #12 
  - Ambien made me hallucinate.  davsand   Feb-20-08 04:08 PM   #23 
     - Very interesting. I've read lots of accounts of people having odd reactions to Ambien.  yardwork   Feb-20-08 04:39 PM   #25 
        - Ambien can help people with transient insomnia.  varkam   Feb-20-08 05:07 PM   #29 
  - link to cnn story-Girlfriend: Shooter was taking cocktail of 3 drugs  fed-up   Feb-20-08 02:43 PM   #13 
  - WTF?  varkam   Feb-20-08 03:43 PM   #19 
  - It's beginning to look like what I suspected  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-21-08 12:07 AM   #34 
     - There are so many people taking these meds.  lizzy   Feb-21-08 12:15 AM   #37 
     - Exactly  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-21-08 12:21 AM   #42 
        - Scary thing that it's so hard to know which one is going to go off.  lizzy   Feb-21-08 12:24 AM   #43 
           - People sometimes just seemingly snap.  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-21-08 12:36 AM   #49 
     - Ambien and Xanax can cause powerful psychoses in withdrawal.  readmoreoften   Feb-21-08 12:27 AM   #45 
  - Maybe we should add stupid girlfriends to the list of things to be banned.  spoony   Feb-20-08 04:13 PM   #24 
  - I've taken Ambien and Xanax before. I must've had a totally different rxn.  knitter4democracy   Feb-20-08 07:13 PM   #31 
  - I had a retrograde reaction to Xanax.  junofeb   Feb-21-08 12:12 AM   #35 
  - it's the brushing off and ignoring off the serious adverse effects that is the problem nt  fed-up   Feb-21-08 04:38 PM   #69 
  - Whoa. Does this mean Tom Cruise was RIGHT?  Perry Logan   Feb-21-08 04:40 PM   #70 

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