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Sadie4629 Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:47 AM
Response to Reply #21
27. There are no abortion providers
in the small town in which I live, yet lots of women are able to travel the 100 or 150 miles they need to go to get abortions. (It's not only 'women of means' who can make a 100-mile trip.)

Women can be referred for abortions, or birth cotrol info, or any other medical need by their county Health Dept., which will not withhold information. They probably will also know of people who can provide transportation, if needed.

Also, I don't understand your phrase "TENANTS of their religion." Perhaps you mean "tenets?"

And, why keep bringing religion into it? It's not just the bad ol' Christians that this applies to.
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  -Pennsylvania bill: Allow doctors to deny treatment, medicine on religious grounds havocmom  Feb-18-08 06:36 AM   #0 
  - Then put in a clause that requires the "religious" doctor to pay for any child's entire life needs  Rabrrrrrr   Feb-18-08 06:45 AM   #1 
  - The bill basically legalizes discrimination  havocmom   Feb-18-08 06:57 AM   #5 
  - Working to save a life does not violate the Sabbath  UncleSepp   Feb-19-08 03:37 PM   #192 
     - If a doctor feels someone else shouldn't be doing THEIR work on the sabbath,  havocmom   Feb-19-08 09:25 PM   #198 
        - Then that doctor is practicing no known religion.  UncleSepp   Feb-20-08 02:45 PM   #208 
  - Rabrrrrrr, I keep remembering articles on implanting ape embryos in male apes  havocmom   Feb-18-08 07:51 PM   #184 
  - Do you believe in the right of a soldier  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 06:54 AM   #2 
  - I think it's more complicated than that  elizfeelinggreat   Feb-18-08 06:57 AM   #4 
  - So the SOURCE of their morality matters  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 07:09 AM   #12 
     - huh?  elizfeelinggreat   Feb-18-08 07:19 AM   #17 
     - again  elizfeelinggreat   Feb-18-08 07:22 AM   #18 
        - Yeah, that makes it clearer  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 07:35 AM   #24 
           - fyi  elizfeelinggreat   Feb-18-08 07:48 AM   #29 
              - There is a huge difference between a church and a doctor  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 07:56 AM   #34 
                 - ER - rape- morning after pill  havocmom   Feb-18-08 08:10 AM   #43 
                 - I guess I wouldn't want  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 08:14 AM   #48 
                    - we'll never know how you would feel unless the issue came up personally  havocmom   Feb-18-08 08:29 AM   #57 
                    - And what about...  mentalsolstice   Feb-18-08 11:30 AM   #122 
                       - you do understand the many facets of the problems with this bill  havocmom   Feb-18-08 11:34 AM   #127 
                    - Prescribing a contraceptive pill is not "performing a procedure."  yardwork   Feb-18-08 10:50 AM   #107 
                    - A doctor can give me a pill, and I don't give a flying fuck how he feels about it.  Crunchy Frog   Feb-18-08 12:32 PM   #149 
                 - how presumptuous of you  elizfeelinggreat   Feb-19-08 09:50 PM   #200 
  - a soldier can refuse an ILLEGAL order  havocmom   Feb-18-08 06:58 AM   #6 
  - What about conscientious objecters?  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 07:13 AM   #15 
     - They haven't been licensed to treat all people who need care  havocmom   Feb-18-08 07:24 AM   #19 
     - At one time  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 07:51 AM   #30 
        - IF you are raped and need a pill to ensure your attacker can't use your body another 9 months  havocmom   Feb-18-08 07:55 AM   #33 
           - If the rape victim is so young she can't drive  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 08:02 AM   #38 
           - Sometimes, the father is the perp  havocmom   Feb-18-08 08:56 AM   #68 
           - I'm surprised that  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 09:32 AM   #76 
              - It wasn't needed until you brought up parents as an option for minors  havocmom   Feb-18-08 10:06 AM   #90 
                 - This Sadie person is off her rocker...  Solon   Feb-18-08 10:31 AM   #98 
                    - Don't go making assumptions...  havocmom   Feb-18-08 10:43 AM   #103 
           - You assume too much.  uppityperson   Feb-20-08 02:33 PM   #202 
           - You are aware that there is more than one doctor in the US?  skater314159   Feb-18-08 10:50 AM   #108 
              - So, are you saying this law would be OK with you? nm  dicksteele   Feb-18-08 11:04 AM   #115 
              - Read my other posts in this thread. nm  skater314159   Feb-18-08 11:20 AM   #121 
                 - I did. That's why I asked you that simple question. After reading the new ones, my question remains.  dicksteele   Feb-18-08 11:36 AM   #128 
              - I live in a remote county with NO doctors  havocmom   Feb-18-08 11:43 AM   #131 
     - There are no conscientious objectors on the battlefield.  Rabrrrrrr   Feb-18-08 07:25 AM   #20 
     - One assumes they won't be signing on to be soldiers  JerseygirlCT   Feb-18-08 01:12 PM   #155 
  - As long as a woman can seek treatment from another source...  WillBowden   Feb-18-08 07:05 AM   #9 
  - Where does it say this occurs in an ER?  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 07:12 AM   #14 
  - That's what this law is totally about - giving ER docs the right not to give medication  Rabrrrrrr   Feb-18-08 07:31 AM   #23 
  - Are you sure that they don't tell a rape victim  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 07:41 AM   #26 
     - Yes.  Rabrrrrrr   Feb-18-08 08:43 AM   #63 
     - Yes  rockymountaindem   Feb-18-08 09:25 AM   #74 
     - They often do not  JerseygirlCT   Feb-18-08 01:13 PM   #157 
     - Bravo to those who worked to get care for women and get the church to act  havocmom   Feb-18-08 01:20 PM   #161 
        - Against Lieberman's wishes, no surprise  JerseygirlCT   Feb-18-08 01:26 PM   #168 
     - Yes. "a lot" does not = all. eom  uppityperson   Feb-20-08 02:35 PM   #203 
  - What about a woman having a miscarriage?  Crunchy Frog   Feb-18-08 12:43 PM   #151 
  - Women of limited means in small communities where doctor choices are limited  havocmom   Feb-18-08 07:28 AM   #21 
     - There are no abortion providers  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 07:47 AM   #27 
        - Thank you for spelling correction. So far, the only logical point you have made here  havocmom   Feb-18-08 07:57 AM   #36 
        - Religion vs. conscience  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 08:04 AM   #39 
           - The bill gives cover to religious arguments against certain treatments  havocmom   Feb-18-08 08:12 AM   #46 
              - I re-read the OP  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 08:18 AM   #50 
                 - Then...  WillBowden   Feb-18-08 08:48 AM   #66 
        - And a woman who's in ER after a rape, at a Catholic hospital because it's the only one in the county  Rabrrrrrr   Feb-18-08 08:48 AM   #65 
           - I have no problem with a provider, in a non-emergency  JerseygirlCT   Feb-18-08 01:16 PM   #158 
  - a woman can't always seek treatment from another source...  QuestionAll   Feb-18-08 07:51 AM   #32 
  - The bill doesn't say  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 08:07 AM   #41 
     - Referrals do NO good to large numbers of women who have limited access to care  havocmom   Feb-18-08 08:13 AM   #47 
  - Why don't Christian Scientists and Jehovah's Witnesses go to medical school?  blondeatlast   Feb-18-08 08:29 AM   #56 
  - the blond shoots... she scores....  havocmom   Feb-18-08 09:10 AM   #71 
  - Thanks. As a blood recipient, I've been asked--NOT KIDDING--  blondeatlast   Feb-18-08 10:38 AM   #101 
     - My doctor asked me  geardaddy   Feb-19-08 03:10 PM   #190 
  - There is a good documentary about that...  skater314159   Feb-18-08 10:57 AM   #111 
  - Those aren't medical treatments, though. I'm a lifelong insulin-dependent diabetic--  blondeatlast   Feb-18-08 11:55 AM   #139 
  - Yes, and that would also solve the problem of high medical costs  Crunchy Frog   Feb-18-08 12:55 PM   #153 
  - That's a fucking stupid argument...  Solon   Feb-18-08 09:43 AM   #82 
  - It's not easy to seek treatment from other sources in many communities.  yardwork   Feb-18-08 10:48 AM   #106 
  - absolutely right!  elizfeelinggreat   Feb-18-08 06:55 AM   #3 
  - Thanks for seeing the point of OP, elizfeelinggreat!  havocmom   Feb-18-08 07:00 AM   #8 
     - I'll be away, too  elizfeelinggreat   Feb-18-08 07:07 AM   #11 
  - This one will be worth keeping an eye on  End Of The Road   Feb-18-08 07:00 AM   #7 
  - Writing a scrip for birth control pills does not take a specialist.  havocmom   Feb-18-08 07:06 AM   #10 
  - I agree!  moose65   Feb-18-08 07:11 AM   #13 
     - How many stories in recent years about Pharmacists who refuse to fill scripts?  havocmom   Feb-18-08 07:51 AM   #31 
  - I'm religiously opposed to war in Iraq  Red Zelda   Feb-18-08 07:15 AM   #16 
  - You didn't go to school to get a license to practice a profession of paying taxes though  havocmom   Feb-18-08 07:29 AM   #22 
  - Recommend for outrage. What century is this? nt  babylonsister   Feb-18-08 07:39 AM   #25 
  - Does it feel like we are living in the pre-quel to The Handmaid's Tale?  havocmom   Feb-18-08 08:01 AM   #37 
  - Can the Doctors be fired for the refusal?  Wizard777   Feb-18-08 07:48 AM   #28 
  - This bill, if it became law, would protect the doctors  havocmom   Feb-18-08 08:06 AM   #40 
     - ah, and there's an interesting question  northzax   Feb-19-08 01:23 PM   #186 
        - Laws to protect pharmacists work to protect them from employers.  havocmom   Feb-20-08 05:14 PM   #212 
  - Hypothetical  chemp   Feb-18-08 07:57 AM   #35 
  - Ecellant point!  havocmom   Feb-18-08 08:08 AM   #42 
  - Wow. Talk about a strawman  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 08:12 AM   #45 
  - Not a strawman, but a logical extension of the agenda  havocmom   Feb-18-08 08:18 AM   #49 
  - Yeah, by the way--  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 08:26 AM   #55 
  - Thank you for keeping this thread kicked  havocmom   Feb-18-08 08:41 AM   #62 
     - As far as logic goes--  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 09:23 AM   #73 
        - Misrepresent much?  havocmom   Feb-18-08 09:32 AM   #75 
        - That woman  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 09:41 AM   #80 
        - HE exsited. And didn't face anything beyond having to change employers  havocmom   Feb-18-08 10:02 AM   #88 
        - Violation of HIPPA law  skater314159   Feb-18-08 11:05 AM   #116 
           - pre-hippa  havocmom   Feb-18-08 11:36 AM   #129 
        - so, do you support this idiotic proposal?  noiretblu   Feb-18-08 09:39 AM   #79 
           - I support  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 09:46 AM   #84 
              - We all support the right to follow consciences  havocmom   Feb-18-08 10:10 AM   #91 
              - no, it is not "different"  noiretblu   Feb-18-08 11:32 AM   #124 
              - WHAT?  kimmylavin   Feb-19-08 02:13 PM   #188 
              - What if a dr denied treatment on a smoker who had emphysema?  uppityperson   Feb-20-08 02:43 PM   #205 
  - Logical?  skater314159   Feb-18-08 11:02 AM   #114 
     - It doesn't have to be PP though...  Solon   Feb-18-08 12:05 PM   #144 
        - Aww Jeeezus...  skater314159   Feb-18-08 01:54 PM   #172 
  - For all your brilliance you don't seem to understand what that term means  uppityperson   Feb-20-08 02:39 PM   #204 
  - In many states  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 08:24 AM   #53 
  - just because their are stupid laws in some states  noiretblu   Feb-18-08 09:42 AM   #81 
     - Some abortion procedures  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 09:55 AM   #86 
        - That's not the argument, thanks for playing though...  Solon   Feb-18-08 09:57 AM   #87 
        - The statement  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 10:16 AM   #93 
           - If the purpose is to delay the procedure until it can't be legally done anymore...  Solon   Feb-18-08 10:20 AM   #94 
           - Most are done in 1 visit. nt  uppityperson   Feb-20-08 02:45 PM   #207 
        - most abortions are done in one visit eom  noiretblu   Feb-18-08 11:30 AM   #123 
  - Then Planned Parenthood needs a better HR dept.  skater314159   Feb-18-08 11:00 AM   #113 
     - The violator of the files was at a private doctor's office  havocmom   Feb-18-08 11:46 AM   #132 
  - Didn't this start with WFRA?  JTFrog   Feb-18-08 08:11 AM   #44 
  - Yep, and a lot of us got laughed at when we said THAT was just the beginning  havocmom   Feb-18-08 08:20 AM   #52 
  - Some religions object to organ donation and blood transfusion  Firespirit   Feb-18-08 08:18 AM   #51 
  - Weeeelll, reproductive service limits only seem to effect a certain part of the population  havocmom   Feb-18-08 08:24 AM   #54 
  - I can't say  Firespirit   Feb-18-08 08:32 AM   #61 
  - I thought it was the Jehovah's Witness  left is right   Feb-18-08 08:47 AM   #64 
  - If I tell them I am an Atheist will they refuse me care based on their beliefs?  sarcasmo   Feb-18-08 08:29 AM   #58 
  - That's what it looks like. And if you worked on the Sabbath and got hurt...  havocmom   Feb-18-08 08:32 AM   #60 
  - Or if someone has an STD and is unmarried  suffragette   Feb-18-08 01:50 PM   #171 
  - Or a gay man  WillBowden   Feb-18-08 08:52 AM   #67 
  - Another execellant point. Sorry I missed that branch of the agenda!  havocmom   Feb-18-08 09:00 AM   #70 
  - I think  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 09:50 AM   #85 
  - IF the bill passes and is upheld, there will be more limits  havocmom   Feb-18-08 10:04 AM   #89 
  - The slippery slope argument goes both ways, you know  Sadie4629   Feb-18-08 10:11 AM   #92 
     - WTF? Nobody is forcing women to get care or pills?  havocmom   Feb-18-08 10:23 AM   #95 
     - D&X procedure may be appalling, but so is open heart surgery...  Solon   Feb-18-08 10:25 AM   #96 
        - Don't try to confuse poster with facts  havocmom   Feb-18-08 10:38 AM   #100 
           - Oh silly me, I thought she may actually want to learn...  Solon   Feb-18-08 11:58 AM   #141 
  - If I'm not married, doctor can refuse me birth control. Like back in the old days.  uppityperson   Feb-20-08 02:49 PM   #210 
     - Already happened in some states with pharmacists refusing to fill lawful scripts  havocmom   Feb-20-08 05:26 PM   #214 
  - Obese and diabetic. Smoker with emphysema. Elderly with heart problem.  uppityperson   Feb-20-08 02:46 PM   #209 
     - Sorry, I feel it's god's will that you are fat, sick, old... no soup for you  havocmom   Feb-20-08 05:29 PM   #216 
  - Wonder how many of these doctors don't want to prescribe Viagra? nt  raccoon   Feb-18-08 08:31 AM   #59 
  - or perform vasectomies. eom  MindPilot   Feb-18-08 08:56 AM   #69 
  - If I remember correctly, my Dad had to shop around for a non-Catholic doctor...  Solon   Feb-18-08 12:02 PM   #143 
  - VIAGRA VIAGRA VIAGRA -- good question!!  IcyPeas   Feb-19-08 03:26 PM   #191 
  - Does this mean that patients don't have to pay the bill if their religion forbids it?  DFW   Feb-18-08 09:20 AM   #72 
  - Damn, I am having an epiphany and YOU are my prophet  havocmom   Feb-18-08 09:34 AM   #77 
  - Dammit, What About MY Rights?  zorahopkins   Feb-18-08 09:35 AM   #78 
  - I see by your profile, that you are a female.  havocmom   Feb-18-08 09:43 AM   #83 
     - Sharia law validated by the U.S.  RainDog   Feb-18-08 10:25 AM   #97 
  - This is why I am so very excited  Bluenorthwest   Feb-18-08 10:33 AM   #99 
  - PA has always had a strong stand for religious freedom...  skater314159   Feb-18-08 10:42 AM   #102 
  - I am not about forcing care on anyone who does not want it  havocmom   Feb-18-08 10:47 AM   #105 
  - Ok... Ammendment review...  skater314159   Feb-18-08 11:20 AM   #120 
     - That's a bunch of bullshit, actually...  Solon   Feb-18-08 11:50 AM   #136 
        - Exactly so. nm  dicksteele   Feb-18-08 12:31 PM   #148 
        - What?  skater314159   Feb-18-08 01:59 PM   #174 
           - I'm using it as an example...  Solon   Feb-18-08 02:11 PM   #175 
           - Jesus Christ. Are you stupidly oversensitive much?  Rabrrrrrr   Feb-19-08 07:00 PM   #196 
  - This allows doctors to NOT treat people who need treatment  JerseygirlCT   Feb-18-08 01:21 PM   #163 
  - What at least one person here is missing is a rather interesting unintended  Cerridwen   Feb-18-08 10:46 AM   #104 
  - Or, if I am hiring, I can use litmus test to hire only people of one faith?  havocmom   Feb-18-08 10:51 AM   #109 
  - Pretty much. It happens at private schools and (if there are any left) private  Cerridwen   Feb-18-08 10:54 AM   #110 
     - If I need an ambulance (or the fire department)  havocmom   Feb-18-08 11:32 AM   #125 
        - I want a secular everything, except for churches, of course. :D  Cerridwen   Feb-18-08 11:51 AM   #137 
           - May I suggest you post that to your journal, that we may refer others to it often?  havocmom   Feb-18-08 11:57 AM   #140 
              - Done. And thank you!  Cerridwen   Feb-18-08 12:00 PM   #142 
  - Well, actually, if you are unwilling to provide the care required  JerseygirlCT   Feb-18-08 01:23 PM   #165 
     - I completely agree. And in this day and age of profit, if I'm paying you,  Cerridwen   Feb-18-08 01:59 PM   #173 
  - Want to see that law, if passed  vpilot   Feb-18-08 10:57 AM   #112 
  - DFW post upthread re a new religious order...  havocmom   Feb-18-08 11:48 AM   #134 
     - At the top.........  DFW   Feb-18-08 06:03 PM   #180 
  - Oh, the chill I just felt go up and down my spine  Luna_Chick   Feb-18-08 11:09 AM   #117 
  - Grand post  havocmom   Feb-18-08 11:50 AM   #135 
  - Question here...  skater314159   Feb-18-08 11:17 AM   #118 
  - Just a quick question  Luna_Chick   Feb-18-08 11:33 AM   #126 
  - #1 most likely violates the Civil Rights Act...  Solon   Feb-18-08 12:13 PM   #145 
  - I can see Liberty Univ. and other fundy schools  mentalsolstice   Feb-18-08 11:19 AM   #119 
  - They've been cranking out lawyers like crazy, haven't they?  havocmom   Feb-18-08 11:55 AM   #138 
  - Bullseye! That's precisely what is behind this, I'm very willing to bet. nt  blondeatlast   Feb-18-08 04:37 PM   #178 
  - This means...  jmowreader   Feb-18-08 11:37 AM   #130 
  - Yep  Luna_Chick   Feb-18-08 11:47 AM   #133 
  - A Physican is suppose to be advocate for his patient, not  girl_interrupted   Feb-18-08 12:19 PM   #146 
  - And--you can have your immense government-subsidized student loans FORGIVEN  blondeatlast   Feb-18-08 06:24 PM   #182 
     - Ooooo, I missed that facet totally! Good catch.  havocmom   Feb-18-08 06:29 PM   #183 
  - Doctors should also be allowed to refuse to treat priapism  Crunchy Frog   Feb-18-08 12:27 PM   #147 
  - Or...  Luna_Chick   Feb-18-08 12:39 PM   #150 
  - We're finally civilized enough that refusing to treat black people is considered heinous, but ...  Hekate   Feb-18-08 12:46 PM   #152 
  - They always have a choice: leave the practice  JerseygirlCT   Feb-18-08 01:11 PM   #154 
  - Bravo! And what about VD? How would we feel if some doctors wouldn't treat that  havocmom   Feb-18-08 01:18 PM   #160 
     - Yup. Get the beliefs out of it, period  JerseygirlCT   Feb-18-08 01:25 PM   #166 
  - OK, I gave ya all enough time, and nobody posted: timing of this bill? PA primary Friday  havocmom   Feb-18-08 01:13 PM   #156 
  - Ah--I think we've met the fringe issue for 2008...  blondeatlast   Feb-18-08 01:20 PM   #162 
     - Well, there was rumor PA would be this years Florida/Ohio in the GE  havocmom   Feb-18-08 01:28 PM   #169 
  - Triage, cadavers, life-or-death decisions and the possibility of mistakes--  blondeatlast   Feb-18-08 01:17 PM   #159 
  - There ya go, bein all logical and all again  havocmom   Feb-18-08 01:22 PM   #164 
     - Sorry. Stuck at home with the flu and waiting for a repairman--so  blondeatlast   Feb-18-08 01:25 PM   #167 
     - Me, with fresh chicken soup in the fridge  havocmom   Feb-18-08 01:48 PM   #170 
     - I've cross-posted a link to this thread in the Pro-choice group.  smokey nj   Feb-19-08 02:50 PM   #189 
        - Thanks for that cross post. This is too big to stay in one forum  havocmom   Feb-19-08 09:16 PM   #197 
  - Kickin' to keep it going N/T  Luna_Chick   Feb-18-08 04:00 PM   #176 
  - a kick from the chick, cool  havocmom   Feb-18-08 04:18 PM   #177 
     - Check this one out...  dajoki   Feb-19-08 05:37 PM   #194 
  - Story about this subject...  dajoki   Feb-18-08 05:59 PM   #179 
  - An ER physician should not be permitted to let his own morals subvert his duties. He can find anothe  blondeatlast   Feb-18-08 06:06 PM   #181 
     - And I believe...  dajoki   Feb-18-08 09:14 PM   #185 
        - Word. nt  blondeatlast   Feb-19-08 03:38 PM   #193 
        - Nor should they receive tax-free, non-profit status.  Rabrrrrrr   Feb-19-08 06:45 PM   #195 
  - when religious trumps medicine -- an oath to the religious oligarchy or the practice of medicine  Supersedeas   Feb-19-08 02:07 PM   #187 
  - What makes you think Democrats won't support this?  depakid   Feb-19-08 09:35 PM   #199 
  - any health care provider that allows their religion to trump their duty to the public...  HuffleClaw   Feb-19-08 09:54 PM   #201 
  - The freedom from administrative liability seems to me the biggest problem here.  mondo joe   Feb-20-08 02:45 PM   #206 
  - Cool, huh? Don't you wish YOU could pick and choose what duties of your job to do?  havocmom   Feb-20-08 05:32 PM   #217 
     - This law basically is a way to give special rights based on religion, including  mondo joe   Feb-20-08 06:10 PM   #221 
  - If I'm unmarried, contraception can be denied me.  uppityperson   Feb-20-08 02:53 PM   #211 
  - I am so sick of this nonsense  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-20-08 05:22 PM   #213 
  - That's it in a nutshell, Buffy!  havocmom   Feb-20-08 05:36 PM   #218 
     - The Handmaiden's Tale  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-20-08 05:41 PM   #219 
  - Is the doctor required to refer to someone who provide necessary treatment?  McCamy Taylor   Feb-20-08 05:29 PM   #215 
  - This is Afghanistan now?  Elspeth   Feb-20-08 06:00 PM   #220 

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