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DadOf2LittleAngels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-13-08 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #83
85. This crap is not about the war
When you start going after the marines even having an office in a city you have crossed the line into being anti-military..

Protest the war, march in the strets go into classrooms with information but damn it the military is being hurt by this war far more than the members of code pink and the very people who should be supporting them are treating them like enemies of the state..

"Maybe actually using our First Amendment rights seems extreme but, to sheep, most expressions probably seem extreme."

So are abortion protesters blocking buildings just expressing their first amendment rights..
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  -Three arrested in Berkeley protests over Marines.. Webster Green  Feb-13-08 12:13 AM   #0 
  - you have to wonder if the Berkeley council even thought about this before  dwickham   Feb-13-08 12:33 AM   #1 
  - Did you read the entire article?  Pastiche423   Feb-13-08 12:44 AM   #2 
     - warmongers?  dwickham   Feb-13-08 08:31 AM   #3 
     - I have no respect for the military thrusting themselves  Pastiche423   Feb-13-08 01:16 PM   #4 
     - it is a recruiter's office  dwickham   Feb-13-08 03:13 PM   #5 
     - Does the ROTC recruit?  Pastiche423   Feb-13-08 03:30 PM   #6 
        - What irks me most...  KeineAhnung   Feb-13-08 03:38 PM   #7 
        - What's the paradox?  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-13-08 03:40 PM   #9 
        - Are they protesting *all* military recruitment, or just military recruitment  Raskolnik   Feb-13-08 03:44 PM   #13 
           - I'd presume all military recruitment.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-13-08 03:45 PM   #15 
           - Go find Berkeley's demographics before you embarrass yourself again. n/t  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 03:46 PM   #17 
           - Go look at demographics of Code Pink and the protesters before you embarrass yourself again. n/t  Raskolnik   Feb-13-08 03:54 PM   #23 
              - I belong to Code Pink and I lived in Berkeley for over a decade.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 03:56 PM   #24 
                 - If you can only frame this argument in terms of "defending" military recruiters  Raskolnik   Feb-13-08 04:01 PM   #29 
                 - I hope you resolve your uncertainty. n/t  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:04 PM   #32 
                 - This is spot on!  Bush in Berkeley   Feb-13-08 05:48 PM   #123 
                    - I bought my first house from a black family in Berkeley.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 05:51 PM   #127 
           - No the real paradox is:  DadOf2LittleAngels   Feb-13-08 04:14 PM   #43 
              - Google is your friend  proud2Blib   Feb-13-08 10:31 PM   #161 
        - Yes. We can't let average Americans talk because  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 03:44 PM   #12 
        - Do you think their actions are reasonable, much less productive?  Raskolnik   Feb-13-08 03:46 PM   #16 
        - What is more reasonable than objecting to our kids being fed into a blender  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 03:47 PM   #18 
           - I don't know, how about aiming that protest at the people actually responsible  Raskolnik   Feb-13-08 03:49 PM   #20 
              - Direct action is always more effective, that's why.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 03:50 PM   #22 
                 - Yes, direct action taken against those actually responsible.  Raskolnik   Feb-13-08 03:58 PM   #25 
                    - Code Pink is protesting the scum bucket recruiters, not working Marines.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 03:59 PM   #27 
                       - If you honestly think those kinds of tactics help in the long run,  Raskolnik   Feb-13-08 04:06 PM   #36 
                       - LOL! Because results are so counter productive.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:10 PM   #39 
                          - Of course some results *are* counterproductive in the long run.  Raskolnik   Feb-13-08 04:18 PM   #47 
                             - Short term, kids walking up to that office think twice.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:20 PM   #50 
                                - Short-term gratification with no concern for the bigger picture?  Raskolnik   Feb-13-08 04:24 PM   #57 
                                - Right. We could keep some kids alive. That couldn't be good  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:25 PM   #59 
                                - Being wilfully obtuse to the point I'm making does not make your argument.  Raskolnik   Feb-13-08 04:40 PM   #76 
                                - I think my argument has been made.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:41 PM   #79 
                       - the recruiters are working Marines  dwickham   Feb-13-08 04:11 PM   #41 
                       - Did you miss all the media coverage of the deplorable conditions at Walter Reed?  proud2Blib   Feb-13-08 05:26 PM   #114 
                          - Code Pink wasn't protesting the conditions at Walter Reed  dwickham   Feb-13-08 07:13 PM   #155 
                             - Sounds like you don't know much about Code Pink  proud2Blib   Feb-13-08 10:28 PM   #159 
                                - I've seen reports of where they had coffins on the sidewalk  dwickham   Feb-13-08 11:03 PM   #163 
                       - Those 'scum bucket rectuiters'  DadOf2LittleAngels   Feb-13-08 04:17 PM   #46 
                       - First, you lose your bragging rights when you con CHILDREN.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:21 PM   #52 
                       - First , you lose your moral high horse when you assume all people  DadOf2LittleAngels   Feb-13-08 04:29 PM   #64 
                          - I never said all people who sign up are children.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:31 PM   #67 
                             - Ok well stop but not before I take the words you put into my mouth out and rinse thouroughly  DadOf2LittleAngels   Feb-13-08 04:37 PM   #72 
                             - You may be a dad of two angels but apparently you don't know  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:39 PM   #74 
                             - yea yea whatever  DadOf2LittleAngels   Feb-13-08 04:43 PM   #81 
                             - "Whatever" has gotten a lot of people dead. n/t  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 05:34 PM   #117 
                             - WHEN THEY ARE OLD ENOUGH  proud2Blib   Feb-13-08 05:36 PM   #118 
                             - Was your kid walking by a recruiting station when he was grabbed and pulled through the door?  DadOf2LittleAngels   Feb-13-08 06:14 PM   #142 
                             - No they came to our house and gave him a ride  proud2Blib   Feb-13-08 06:37 PM   #150 
                             - You are obviously ignorant to what a USMC OSO office is and does...let me educate you.  India3   Feb-13-08 05:39 PM   #119 
                             - Nope. They go to communities with minority children  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 05:42 PM   #120 
                             - You do not understand the difference between an OSO (Berkeley)  India3   Feb-13-08 05:51 PM   #128 
                             - You can't parse this into respectablity.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 05:53 PM   #130 
                             - Willful ignorance. Pathetic. n/t  India3   Feb-13-08 06:04 PM   #137 
                             - Personal attack in lieu of reason. Pathetic.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 06:06 PM   #138 
                             - Just admit it. Earlier on in this thread you had absolutely no idea...  India3   Feb-13-08 06:16 PM   #143 
                             - Please keep attacking me and making my case.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 06:17 PM   #144 
                             - My only case is that you're wrong. And won't admit it. Keep proving MY case. nt  India3   Feb-13-08 06:27 PM   #147 
                             - We are not wrong to deny these lying sacks of sh@t more victims.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 06:38 PM   #151 
                             - No. You'll still be wrong. You still have no idea what you're protesting against. nt  India3   Feb-13-08 10:57 PM   #162 
                       - Those scum bucket recruiters lied to my kids!  proud2Blib   Feb-13-08 05:33 PM   #116 
                       - Scum bucket recruiters  NeedleCast   Feb-13-08 05:46 PM   #122 
        - Code Pink..  DadOf2LittleAngels   Feb-13-08 04:16 PM   #45 
           - Big bad Code Pink was denying red blooded 'Murikans  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:18 PM   #48 
              - Im not in Iraq because:  DadOf2LittleAngels   Feb-13-08 04:27 PM   # 
                 - Anti military = Reich wing talking point.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:28 PM   #62 
                    - Lets get this straight  DadOf2LittleAngels   Feb-13-08 04:33 PM   #69 
                       - Calliing scum bag recruiters that lie to kids to make their quota  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:38 PM   #73 
                          - So your argument is that all recruiters lie?  NeedleCast   Feb-13-08 05:49 PM   #124 
                             - Shhhh dont you dare confuse the temper tantrum with facts  DadOf2LittleAngels   Feb-13-08 08:02 PM   #156 
        - I LOVE CODE PINK!  Pastiche423   Feb-13-08 04:00 PM   #28 
           - My sistah!  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:05 PM   #33 
              - What you have effectively done  DadOf2LittleAngels   Feb-13-08 04:19 PM   #49 
                 - That would be the wingnut talking point.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:22 PM   #55 
                    - Its only an effective talking point if its true  DadOf2LittleAngels   Feb-13-08 04:31 PM   #66 
                    - No, talking points are only effective if they get repeated.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:35 PM   #71 
                       - "And Code Pink also does exactly what you suggest with literature and education."  DadOf2LittleAngels   Feb-13-08 04:41 PM   #78 
                          - Extremist? When was the last time that being against the war  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:44 PM   #83 
                             - This crap is not about the war  DadOf2LittleAngels   Feb-13-08 04:46 PM   #85 
                                - Baloney.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:52 PM   #87 
                                   - Most of those recuiters have served in the field  DadOf2LittleAngels   Feb-13-08 05:08 PM   #101 
                                      - Do you live in a video game or something?  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 05:11 PM   #103 
                    - lol!  leftchick   Feb-13-08 04:33 PM   #70 
                       - I guess we don't have enough Democrats supporting our kids  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:55 PM   #90 
        - uh yeah they do  dwickham   Feb-13-08 04:08 PM   #37 
        - They hang out at the malls and visit the schools though  proud2Blib   Feb-13-08 05:45 PM   #121 
           - You're wrong. You don't even know what this protest is about, do you.?  India3   Feb-13-08 05:55 PM   #131 
           - Because a dead officer is so different than a dead grunt?  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 05:57 PM   #133 
           - But....but....but....  India3   Feb-13-08 06:09 PM   #140 
              - It is established fact.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 06:14 PM   #141 
                 - "It is an established fact"  India3   Feb-13-08 06:24 PM   #146 
                    - You apparently cannot or will not distinguish between policy and practice.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 06:36 PM   #149 
           - Yes it does suck  proud2Blib   Feb-13-08 05:59 PM   #135 
              - Let me sum up this argument we're having...  India3   Feb-14-08 08:26 AM   #164 
           - that's why you need to pay attention to what the kids are doing  dwickham   Feb-13-08 07:06 PM   #154 
        - yes  AngryAmish   Feb-13-08 04:10 PM   #40 
     - Are the young men and women of Berkeley so much more precious  Raskolnik   Feb-13-08 03:42 PM   #11 
     - The parents of Berkeley seem to think so. n/t  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 03:45 PM   #14 
     - They certainly seem to.  Raskolnik   Feb-13-08 03:47 PM   #19 
        - Berkeley has a long history of standing up for their people.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 03:49 PM   #21 
           - U.S. MILITARY CIVIL DISTURBANCE PLANNING:  midnight   Feb-13-08 05:50 PM   #126 
              - Thank you, midnight.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 05:55 PM   #132 
     - What does precious have to do w/anything?  Pastiche423   Feb-13-08 03:58 PM   # 
        - That poster is promulgating the idea that white lilbrul elites  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:03 PM   #31 
        - Merely pointing out that I doubt very much that I will be seing Code Pinkertons  Raskolnik   Feb-13-08 04:13 PM   #42 
           - So, what is wrong with Chicago? Here's the chapter and the link.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:15 PM   #44 
           - I'm not disputing that they exist, I'm predicting that I won't see them trying  Raskolnik   Feb-13-08 04:21 PM   #54 
              - Well, what are you doing today?  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:22 PM   #56 
                 - Well, first I plan on doing no harm.  Raskolnik   Feb-13-08 04:25 PM   #60 
                    - How do you figure that? You do nothing while our kids  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:27 PM   #61 
                       - Ha! To assume that people who aren't breaking their arms patting themselves on the back  Raskolnik   Feb-13-08 04:43 PM   #82 
                          - Who has time to pat anything?  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:45 PM   #84 
                             - Apparently quite a few people in Berkeley, that's who.  Raskolnik   Feb-13-08 04:52 PM   #88 
                                - No matter how many times you say that, it doesn't make it true.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:54 PM   #89 
                                   - And no matter how many times Code Pinkertons stamp their feet and act like short-sighted fools  Raskolnik   Feb-13-08 04:56 PM   #91 
                                      - Silly insults, unsupported assertions. Keep 'em.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:59 PM   #93 
                                         - Ha again! The presumption and self-righteousness is amazing!  Raskolnik   Feb-13-08 05:03 PM   #96 
                                         - We're doing just fine without your approval.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 05:04 PM   #98 
           - Um yeah Code Pink is indeed in Chicago on the south side  proud2Blib   Feb-13-08 05:49 PM   #125 
     - How about a city with a massive state university?  India3   Feb-13-08 06:02 PM   #136 
        - When was the last time you were "stupid" enough to make a difference?  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 06:08 PM   #139 
        - Sorry I tried to use logic and facts with you.  India3   Feb-13-08 06:36 PM   #148 
           - Denial is a dangerous state, especially for other people.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 06:39 PM   #152 
              - I was a candidate, and you're telling me I'm in denial about the  India3   Feb-13-08 06:58 PM   #153 
        - No  Pastiche423   Feb-13-08 06:17 PM   #145 
     - Sounds like warmongering to me.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-13-08 03:41 PM   #10 
     - Do you respect the recruiters who LIE to CHILDREN??  proud2Blib   Feb-13-08 05:19 PM   #109 
     - Berkley is wrong on this one  DangerDave921   Feb-13-08 03:40 PM   #8 
        - There are many recruiting offices in the East Bay  Pastiche423   Feb-13-08 04:02 PM   #30 
           - How about this?  DangerDave921   Feb-13-08 04:06 PM   #35 
              - Thank YOU!  DadOf2LittleAngels   Feb-13-08 04:20 PM   #51 
              - It would be perfect if the abortion clinic talked 14 year old kids into having abortions  proud2Blib   Feb-13-08 05:52 PM   #129 
                 - Except OSO's "recruit" college age adults only.  India3   Feb-13-08 08:32 PM   #157 
                    - I oppose all recruiting  proud2Blib   Feb-13-08 09:55 PM   #158 
                       - So that means you support a draft then...  India3   Feb-14-08 08:48 AM   #165 
              - Oh noes, you didn't...  slackmaster   Feb-13-08 04:43 PM   #80 
              - lol  Pastiche423   Feb-13-08 05:28 PM   #115 
  - Well...  KeineAhnung   Feb-13-08 03:58 PM   #26 
  - All their talk of free speech?!  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:09 PM   #38 
     - WTF  Mz Pip   Feb-13-08 04:21 PM   #53 
        - Whatever, Mz Pip. Maybe you should take a good look around. n/t  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:24 PM   #58 
           - And what  Mz Pip   Feb-13-08 04:28 PM   #63 
              - Why don't you start with, um, segregation? n/t  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:29 PM   #65 
                 - Um, what segregation?  Mz Pip   Feb-13-08 04:31 PM   #68 
                    - Do you really live in Albany or are you just pulling my leg?  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:39 PM   #75 
                       - Yes, I really live in Albany.  Mz Pip   Feb-13-08 04:41 PM   #77 
                          - I lived on Stannage Street for a number of years.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 04:48 PM   #86 
                             - White people  Mz Pip   Feb-13-08 04:56 PM   #92 
                                - Don't confuse the issue with facts!  Raskolnik   Feb-13-08 04:59 PM   #94 
                                - You've never been to Albany. You didn't even know  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 05:03 PM   #97 
                                   - Apparently neither have you.  Raskolnik   Feb-13-08 05:05 PM   #99 
                                      - I lived in Albany and dealt with that community's issues more directly  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 05:06 PM   #100 
                                         - You played loose with facts, and got called on it.  Raskolnik   Feb-13-08 05:09 PM   #102 
                                         - Um, no. That didn't happen.  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 05:11 PM   #104 
                                            - Since you obviously have to have the last word, please be me guest.  Raskolnik   Feb-13-08 05:14 PM   #105 
                                               - The John Birch Society had an office on San Pablo about two blocks  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 05:20 PM   #110 
                                         - Oh really?  Mz Pip   Feb-13-08 05:16 PM   #107 
                                            - Is that John Birch office closed down?  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 05:21 PM   #111 
                                               - At least 20 years ago  Mz Pip   Feb-13-08 05:23 PM   #112 
                                                  - Nope. Not twenty years ago because I still drove by it  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 05:26 PM   #113 
                                - Sorry if I hit a nerve. n/t  sfexpat2000   Feb-13-08 05:02 PM   #95 
  - it wouldn't be berkeley if they didn't protest this-they're used to it  katty   Feb-13-08 04:06 PM   #34 
  - And look who is being violent!!  proud2Blib   Feb-13-08 05:16 PM   #106 
  - K&R for funny fetal photo  Jeffersons Ghost   Feb-13-08 05:17 PM   #108 
  - This is the best response in the thread.  Bucky   Feb-13-08 05:59 PM   #134 
  - echoes of Vietnam  SexyGalFan   Feb-13-08 10:29 PM   #160 

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