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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 06:50 PM
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33. these are two separate issues
i have no sympathy for an obese person who is sitting in my seat on the airplane, i paid for the seat, and i need to be able to sit there safely without being cramped and having half or more of another person's body crushing into mine -- the obese person sitting not just in his seat but in mind puts me in a life-threatening situation -- DVT (deep vein thrombosis) kills and not just older people, a young woman of only 28 died on a long flight of DVT

when your obesity becomes a threat to MY life, that's when you need to draw a line, i should not have my life and health put at risk because you as a fat person are too cheap to buy the size seat you need (either a first class seat or two coach seats together)

so, yes, obese people should be banned from flying if they don't buy a seat large enough to accommodate them and they refuse to stop overhanging my seat

in any situation other than an airplane, i could have the obese person arrested for assault, even for a sex crime, in the case where the person is deliberately pressing into my breast -- it's only on an airplane where this kind of touching is allowed and airlines mostly don't put a stop to it unless you get kind of nasty and loud in your complaint

it's a health issue, pure and simple -- but there is no nice way to say "fat creep is pressing his entire arm into my tit, can we please put him in jail now?" so, yes, when a woman is being touched and pressed into, and the airline seems to condone it, i guess we do get a little shaky and our voices may seem to tremble with anger -- just as yours might tremble if you'd just been subjected to unwanted sexual touching


my being a midget, on the other hand, is never a threat to the health or safety of anyone else, and it's hard to understand why people find so much entertainment in making fun of me for being short or in trying to push me around because i'm "tiny"

yes, when it's a death cage match between an obese person trying to push me around because i'm small, i'm going to do all that is legally within my powers to protect myself

and if this means embarrassing the obese person by notifying a flight attendant and having them removed for pressing into my body on flight, then too bad, the fat person knew they were fat before they tried to get away with booking a too small seat, they tried to cheap out and game the system at MY expense and they are not owed any respect or courtesy

for my opinion, the federal law should mandate all airline seats be significantly larger and quit playing the game of "no one knows FOR SURE that these small seats are causing DVT and killing people," c'mon, it's as bogus as the tobacco institute pretending that "no one knows FOR SURE that smoking causes lung cancer"
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  - You are absolutely correct.  flvegan   Feb-10-08 05:18 PM   #1 
  - flvegan, I have to state publicly  JulieRB   Feb-10-08 05:39 PM   #14 
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  - Well you live in the right place to  Turn CO Blue   Feb-10-08 05:26 PM   #8 
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  - You're exactly right. I should have mentioned some of these  Turn CO Blue   Feb-10-08 05:23 PM   #6 
  - You are absolutely correct.  Snarkoleptic   Feb-10-08 05:27 PM   #9 
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     - What you are saying is fascinating. Did you see my post down thread? It was about  CTyankee   Feb-11-08 06:55 PM   #94 
        - Had not seen before I posted. BTW Southern white male also a target  unc70   Feb-11-08 09:23 PM   #100 
           - I left my home state of Texas when I went off to college and never moved back.  CTyankee   Feb-12-08 09:03 AM   #106 
     - It's a real dilemma, what to do. First thing that should be done is that  Nay   Feb-12-08 05:14 PM   #109 
  - You make excellent points.  Kutjara   Feb-10-08 05:33 PM   #11 
  - We have many, many bigotry genes.  AngryAmish   Feb-11-08 11:15 AM   #66 
  - No jokes from me.  PDJane   Feb-10-08 05:35 PM   #12 
  - I Think I Like You, Jane  Raejeanowl   Feb-11-08 07:00 AM   #58 
     - Thank you!  PDJane   Feb-11-08 01:31 PM   #71 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-10-08 05:42 PM   #15 
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  - You are totally correct.  distantearlywarning   Feb-10-08 06:07 PM   #18 
  - **hugs** to you  Turn CO Blue   Feb-10-08 07:31 PM   #39 
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  - You're Right  Raejeanowl   Feb-10-08 06:32 PM   #24 
  - Thanks  Cabcere   Feb-10-08 06:56 PM   #35 
  - **HUGS **to you! You nailed it using the word "ignorance"  Turn CO Blue   Feb-10-08 08:27 PM   #45 
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  - **blushes** Gee, thanks!  Turn CO Blue   Feb-10-08 07:35 PM   #41 
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  - Good For You  Raejeanowl   Feb-10-08 06:52 PM   #34 
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  - ah yes, the opposite problem  Turn CO Blue   Feb-10-08 07:41 PM   #42 
  - these are two separate issues  pitohui   Feb-10-08 06:50 PM   #33 
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  - maybe i do need a taser!  pitohui   Feb-10-08 07:06 PM   #37 
     - You are fucking insane...  Solon   Feb-11-08 02:23 AM   #57 
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  - I have an idea...  GaYellowDawg   Feb-11-08 12:40 PM   #69 
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  - K&R  Chovexani   Feb-10-08 10:45 PM   #51 
  - and bigotry against poor people and mentally ill people,  mcg   Feb-10-08 10:52 PM   #53 
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  - Tell You A Secret  Raejeanowl   Feb-11-08 12:07 PM   #68 
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  - I totally agree,  raccoon   Feb-11-08 10:08 AM   #64 
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  - As a thin, short person I consider it practically a duty  Ellen Forradalom   Feb-11-08 01:56 PM   #72 
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  - This is how humans jockey for status.  Orsino   Feb-11-08 02:07 PM   #74 
  - The Very Last Acceptable Bigotry Will Be Against  Forrest Greene   Feb-11-08 02:15 PM   #75 
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     - Haw. I Didn't Say Anything About  Forrest Greene   Feb-11-08 09:03 PM   #98 
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  - Much obesity IS probably viral. Possibly contagious.  unc70   Feb-11-08 09:47 PM   #101 
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  - Actually, no.  cgrindley   Feb-11-08 04:13 PM   #87 
     - Actually, yes.  Ellen Forradalom   Feb-11-08 05:19 PM   #89 
        - No and It depends  cgrindley   Feb-11-08 07:07 PM   #95 
           - "Their size is no reason to criticize them"  Ellen Forradalom   Feb-12-08 10:47 AM   #107 
  - Sounds like bigotry to me.  distantearlywarning   Feb-11-08 04:06 PM   #85 
     - Hey... I have IBS and I know a disgusting disease when I see one  cgrindley   Feb-11-08 04:11 PM   #86 
        - Good thing for you you don't have to wear a big flashing sign above your head  distantearlywarning   Feb-11-08 06:14 PM   #91 
           - If only  cgrindley   Feb-11-08 06:36 PM   #93 
              - I would love to bear my cross with grace and silence.  distantearlywarning   Feb-11-08 08:29 PM   #96 
                 - I deserve no sympathy  cgrindley   Feb-11-08 08:56 PM   #97 
  - yes, anti-fat prejudice is blatant and disgraceful, but anti-short men prejudice is really sexist,  VotesForWomen   Feb-11-08 02:54 PM   #79 
  - That's quite true, too............  PDJane   Feb-11-08 03:33 PM   #82 
  - There are social drawbacks about being any size that is outside the norm  MadHound   Feb-11-08 05:24 PM   #90 
  - About Kucinich's elvin qualities  Warren Stupidity   Feb-11-08 06:17 PM   #92 
  - I didn't know we no longer have any ANTI GAY BIGOTRY! When did this occur?  TankLV   Feb-11-08 09:23 PM   #99 
  - I had a bumpersticker on my last car: "If Only Closed Minds Came With Closed Mouths"  Pushed To The Left   Feb-11-08 10:10 PM   #102 
  - Interesting Article  KeineAhnung   Feb-12-08 12:47 AM   #103 
  - As a very short man, can I sincerely thank you?  GOPBasher   Feb-12-08 07:14 AM   #104 
  - Move to Georgia.  GaYellowDawg   Feb-12-08 08:21 AM   #105 
  - Thank you for bringing this to our attention.  Neoma   Feb-12-08 05:26 PM   #110 
 

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