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| 33. these are two separate issues |
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i have no sympathy for an obese person who is sitting in my seat on the airplane, i paid for the seat, and i need to be able to sit there safely without being cramped and having half or more of another person's body crushing into mine -- the obese person sitting not just in his seat but in mind puts me in a life-threatening situation -- DVT (deep vein thrombosis) kills and not just older people, a young woman of only 28 died on a long flight of DVT
when your obesity becomes a threat to MY life, that's when you need to draw a line, i should not have my life and health put at risk because you as a fat person are too cheap to buy the size seat you need (either a first class seat or two coach seats together)
so, yes, obese people should be banned from flying if they don't buy a seat large enough to accommodate them and they refuse to stop overhanging my seat
in any situation other than an airplane, i could have the obese person arrested for assault, even for a sex crime, in the case where the person is deliberately pressing into my breast -- it's only on an airplane where this kind of touching is allowed and airlines mostly don't put a stop to it unless you get kind of nasty and loud in your complaint
it's a health issue, pure and simple -- but there is no nice way to say "fat creep is pressing his entire arm into my tit, can we please put him in jail now?" so, yes, when a woman is being touched and pressed into, and the airline seems to condone it, i guess we do get a little shaky and our voices may seem to tremble with anger -- just as yours might tremble if you'd just been subjected to unwanted sexual touching
my being a midget, on the other hand, is never a threat to the health or safety of anyone else, and it's hard to understand why people find so much entertainment in making fun of me for being short or in trying to push me around because i'm "tiny"
yes, when it's a death cage match between an obese person trying to push me around because i'm small, i'm going to do all that is legally within my powers to protect myself
and if this means embarrassing the obese person by notifying a flight attendant and having them removed for pressing into my body on flight, then too bad, the fat person knew they were fat before they tried to get away with booking a too small seat, they tried to cheap out and game the system at MY expense and they are not owed any respect or courtesy
for my opinion, the federal law should mandate all airline seats be significantly larger and quit playing the game of "no one knows FOR SURE that these small seats are causing DVT and killing people," c'mon, it's as bogus as the tobacco institute pretending that "no one knows FOR SURE that smoking causes lung cancer"
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| -Other forms of bigotry still "acceptable" in our culture. |
Turn CO Blue |
Feb-10-08 05:14 PM |
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You are absolutely correct. |
flvegan |
Feb-10-08 05:18 PM |
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flvegan, I have to state publicly |
JulieRB |
Feb-10-08 05:39 PM |
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Thank you, Julie. |
flvegan |
Feb-10-08 05:58 PM |
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Don't forget the baldies, unless they look "cool" like Kojak!!! |
MADem |
Feb-10-08 05:19 PM |
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MADem, You Are Making Me Start To Laugh-Thanks |
Raejeanowl |
Feb-10-08 06:49 PM |
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"if you are a fat, short, bald, old woman, you are screwed six ways to Sunday" |
Ken Burch |
Feb-10-08 08:36 PM |
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If you are a man and going bald... shave your head |
cgrindley |
Feb-11-08 02:27 PM |
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As a 5ft 6 man, I sympathize with your shrimp of a husband. nt |
Bicoastal |
Feb-10-08 05:20 PM |
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He's a shrimp, but he's MY shrimp! **hugs** |
Turn CO Blue |
Feb-10-08 05:23 PM |
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Well, You Know What They Say |
Raejeanowl |
Feb-10-08 06:21 PM |
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I'm concerned about that myself, honestly |
rockymountaindem |
Feb-10-08 05:20 PM |
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Well you live in the right place to |
Turn CO Blue |
Feb-10-08 05:26 PM |
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Sadly, I don't live in CO for most of the year anymore, but I get back as much as I can |
rockymountaindem |
Feb-10-08 05:38 PM |
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There is also quite an aversion to the disabled. |
rurallib |
Feb-10-08 05:20 PM |
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You're exactly right. I should have mentioned some of these |
Turn CO Blue |
Feb-10-08 05:23 PM |
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You are absolutely correct. |
Snarkoleptic |
Feb-10-08 05:27 PM |
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I can certainly vouch for the bigotry against fat ppl of both sexes. |
Nay |
Feb-10-08 05:29 PM |
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Interesting point about foods that "tempt" you! There are millions of $$$ spent in advertising |
CTyankee |
Feb-11-08 08:37 AM |
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Most of what we "know" about obesity might be wrong |
unc70 |
Feb-11-08 05:09 PM |
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What you are saying is fascinating. Did you see my post down thread? It was about |
CTyankee |
Feb-11-08 06:55 PM |
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Had not seen before I posted. BTW Southern white male also a target |
unc70 |
Feb-11-08 09:23 PM |
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I left my home state of Texas when I went off to college and never moved back. |
CTyankee |
Feb-12-08 09:03 AM |
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It's a real dilemma, what to do. First thing that should be done is that |
Nay |
Feb-12-08 05:14 PM |
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You make excellent points. |
Kutjara |
Feb-10-08 05:33 PM |
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We have many, many bigotry genes. |
AngryAmish |
Feb-11-08 11:15 AM |
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No jokes from me. |
PDJane |
Feb-10-08 05:35 PM |
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I Think I Like You, Jane |
Raejeanowl |
Feb-11-08 07:00 AM |
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Thank you! |
PDJane |
Feb-11-08 01:31 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Feb-10-08 05:42 PM |
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There is all kinds of "look-ism" too |
alarimer |
Feb-10-08 05:47 PM |
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Yes, I understand that our entire teevee/magazine culture |
Turn CO Blue |
Feb-10-08 07:51 PM |
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You are totally correct. |
distantearlywarning |
Feb-10-08 06:07 PM |
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**hugs** to you |
Turn CO Blue |
Feb-10-08 07:31 PM |
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the 'Disabled'... i lost my left hand, I was told i wouldnt be rehired altho there were positions i |
sam sarrha |
Feb-10-08 06:13 PM |
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Lovely World We Live In |
Raejeanowl |
Feb-10-08 06:39 PM |
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i have aspergers syndrome, when i was a kid i was essentially nonverbal, couldnt look at faces, |
sam sarrha |
Feb-10-08 10:52 PM |
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Oh, Sam. If I had a Valentine I'd give it to you!!! |
Turn CO Blue |
Feb-10-08 07:35 PM |
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I think mental illnesses are a common target, as well, |
Cabcere |
Feb-10-08 06:16 PM |
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You're Right |
Raejeanowl |
Feb-10-08 06:32 PM |
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Thanks |
Cabcere |
Feb-10-08 06:56 PM |
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**HUGS **to you! You nailed it using the word "ignorance" |
Turn CO Blue |
Feb-10-08 08:27 PM |
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Off to the Greatest Page with you. |
Jamastiene |
Feb-10-08 06:23 PM |
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**blushes** Gee, thanks! |
Turn CO Blue |
Feb-10-08 07:35 PM |
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In a post re: Doris Lessing from last night, the ageism, xenophobia & sexism was startling. |
cbayer |
Feb-10-08 06:27 PM |
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That is quite the ongoing orgy, eh? |
Karenina |
Feb-10-08 08:42 PM |
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yep, bringing out the worst in some people, but the best in others. nt. |
cbayer |
Feb-10-08 09:03 PM |
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You're right and I've probably done it myself. |
Kceres |
Feb-10-08 06:34 PM |
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I had it out for one of those people on an airplane |
Skittles |
Feb-10-08 06:34 PM |
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Good For You |
Raejeanowl |
Feb-10-08 06:52 PM |
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I love you for that! Thanks! |
Turn CO Blue |
Feb-10-08 07:17 PM |
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You kicked his ass! |
Ellen Forradalom |
Feb-11-08 03:52 PM |
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T.V. makes it o.k. to hate |
salinen |
Feb-10-08 06:36 PM |
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I believe you but I've luckily never seen it face to face |
tavalon |
Feb-10-08 06:40 PM |
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Then there are the non-religious... |
PurityOfEssence |
Feb-10-08 06:40 PM |
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6'7" here |
Jed Dilligan |
Feb-10-08 06:44 PM |
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ah yes, the opposite problem |
Turn CO Blue |
Feb-10-08 07:41 PM |
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these are two separate issues |
pitohui |
Feb-10-08 06:50 PM |
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You must be a bucket of laughs on an elevator...or in line at Disney.. |
flvegan |
Feb-10-08 07:00 PM |
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maybe i do need a taser! |
pitohui |
Feb-10-08 07:06 PM |
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You are fucking insane... |
Solon |
Feb-11-08 02:23 AM |
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Aaaargh. I started to post counter-points, and I just can't. n/t |
Turn CO Blue |
Feb-10-08 08:28 PM |
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I have an idea... |
GaYellowDawg |
Feb-11-08 12:40 PM |
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i'll never understand the obsession with thinness |
treestar |
Feb-10-08 07:51 PM |
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Yep. We should all just try to be well. It's not great to be |
Turn CO Blue |
Feb-10-08 08:31 PM |
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K&R |
Chovexani |
Feb-10-08 10:45 PM |
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and bigotry against poor people and mentally ill people, |
mcg |
Feb-10-08 10:52 PM |
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I'm 5'4", and 21. Most girls my age hardly look at me even though I'm in really good shape. |
CRF450 |
Feb-10-08 11:05 PM |
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Here's a hug from an older woman! **hug** |
Turn CO Blue |
Feb-11-08 12:06 AM |
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Hang in there man! |
newportdadde |
Feb-11-08 09:34 AM |
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Tell You A Secret |
Raejeanowl |
Feb-11-08 12:07 PM |
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The funny thing is... |
CRF450 |
Feb-11-08 03:31 PM |
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Class based bigotry is the THE SINGLE MOST accepted bigotry in America. |
Romulox |
Feb-11-08 12:20 AM |
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Parents rich - go to ivy league school - get good job, |
mcg |
Feb-11-08 08:28 AM |
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Fat has become a proxy for class |
Ellen Forradalom |
Feb-12-08 02:57 PM |
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Everyone Has Some Flaw |
KharmaTrain |
Feb-11-08 09:02 AM |
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I'm short man 5' 7'', it effects the workplace and everyday life. |
newportdadde |
Feb-11-08 09:21 AM |
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Ha- I know what you're talking about. |
Marr |
Feb-11-08 11:05 AM |
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I totally agree, |
raccoon |
Feb-11-08 10:08 AM |
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If a person makes fun of another person in a mean spirited way, |
HuskerDU |
Feb-11-08 11:27 AM |
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All sorts of types of bigotry are acceptable in our culture |
gollygee |
Feb-11-08 12:43 PM |
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As a thin, short person I consider it practically a duty |
Ellen Forradalom |
Feb-11-08 01:56 PM |
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Don't forget stutterers |
Ellen Forradalom |
Feb-11-08 02:04 PM |
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This is how humans jockey for status. |
Orsino |
Feb-11-08 02:07 PM |
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The Very Last Acceptable Bigotry Will Be Against |
Forrest Greene |
Feb-11-08 02:15 PM |
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Oh, go fly your spruce goose, weirdo! |
Lance_Boyle |
Feb-11-08 02:25 PM |
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Haw. I Didn't Say Anything About |
Forrest Greene |
Feb-11-08 09:03 PM |
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I'm not bigoted against obese people but against obesity |
cgrindley |
Feb-11-08 02:20 PM |
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You talk about obesity as though it were something viral. |
PDJane |
Feb-11-08 03:31 PM |
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Much obesity IS probably viral. Possibly contagious. |
unc70 |
Feb-11-08 09:47 PM |
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In the collective, obesity is a public health issue |
Ellen Forradalom |
Feb-11-08 03:57 PM |
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Actually, no. |
cgrindley |
Feb-11-08 04:13 PM |
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Actually, yes. |
Ellen Forradalom |
Feb-11-08 05:19 PM |
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No and It depends |
cgrindley |
Feb-11-08 07:07 PM |
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"Their size is no reason to criticize them" |
Ellen Forradalom |
Feb-12-08 10:47 AM |
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Sounds like bigotry to me. |
distantearlywarning |
Feb-11-08 04:06 PM |
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Hey... I have IBS and I know a disgusting disease when I see one |
cgrindley |
Feb-11-08 04:11 PM |
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Good thing for you you don't have to wear a big flashing sign above your head |
distantearlywarning |
Feb-11-08 06:14 PM |
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If only |
cgrindley |
Feb-11-08 06:36 PM |
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I would love to bear my cross with grace and silence. |
distantearlywarning |
Feb-11-08 08:29 PM |
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I deserve no sympathy |
cgrindley |
Feb-11-08 08:56 PM |
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yes, anti-fat prejudice is blatant and disgraceful, but anti-short men prejudice is really sexist, |
VotesForWomen |
Feb-11-08 02:54 PM |
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That's quite true, too............ |
PDJane |
Feb-11-08 03:33 PM |
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There are social drawbacks about being any size that is outside the norm |
MadHound |
Feb-11-08 05:24 PM |
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About Kucinich's elvin qualities |
Warren Stupidity |
Feb-11-08 06:17 PM |
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I didn't know we no longer have any ANTI GAY BIGOTRY! When did this occur? |
TankLV |
Feb-11-08 09:23 PM |
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I had a bumpersticker on my last car: "If Only Closed Minds Came With Closed Mouths" |
Pushed To The Left |
Feb-11-08 10:10 PM |
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Interesting Article |
KeineAhnung |
Feb-12-08 12:47 AM |
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As a very short man, can I sincerely thank you? |
GOPBasher |
Feb-12-08 07:14 AM |
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Move to Georgia. |
GaYellowDawg |
Feb-12-08 08:21 AM |
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Thank you for bringing this to our attention. |
Neoma |
Feb-12-08 05:26 PM |
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