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78. Yes, it is ridiculous. n/t
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  - Indigenous rights Iktomiwicasa  Feb-09-08 05:23 PM   #0 
  - There are many here who think First Nations rights are important.  knitter4democracy   Feb-09-08 05:25 PM   #1 
  - What happened to indigenous peoples here in America  mdmc   Feb-09-08 05:25 PM   #2 
  - May I confess my ignorance on this?  End Of The Road   Feb-09-08 05:28 PM   #3 
  - Specifics need to wait untill a later poll  Iktomiwicasa   Feb-09-08 05:30 PM   #4 
  - Well patience is not one of my (few) virtues...  End Of The Road   Feb-09-08 05:46 PM   #7 
  - Issues would include taking their land, killing them, kidnapping and raping them, enslaving them  ConcernedCanuk   Feb-09-08 06:26 PM   #9 
  - I doubt that Native Americans  End Of The Road   Feb-09-08 06:31 PM   #10 
  - As you've admitted you're unfamiliar with the issues, perhaps you shouldn't speak for them?  dicksteele   Feb-09-08 09:26 PM   #15 
  - No offense, but it's not JUST a US problem...  AlertLurker   Feb-10-08 03:33 PM   #98 
     - Indigenous peoples and cultures are under attack everywhere.  personman   Feb-10-08 03:58 PM   #105 
     - Ever heard of Wiremu Kingi?  AlertLurker   Feb-11-08 08:14 AM   #124 
     - I wasn't suggesting it was just a USA problem.  ConcernedCanuk   Feb-10-08 08:25 PM   #110 
  - Here are some resources that have helped me:  personman   Feb-10-08 03:34 PM   #99 
  - My answer is either the first or the second depending on what you mean.  porphyrian   Feb-09-08 05:34 PM   #5 
  - IMO, and some others, our own rights depend on the rights of others  personman   Feb-10-08 12:55 PM   #52 
     - I went with 2.  RuleOfNah   Feb-10-08 03:44 PM   #102 
  - Thanks for starting this.  tekisui   Feb-09-08 05:41 PM   #6 
  - Good Luck  Arctic Dave   Feb-09-08 05:58 PM   #8 
  - Hi, Dave...  Blue_In_AK   Feb-09-08 06:34 PM   #11 
  - bump for evening crew: nt  Iktomiwicasa   Feb-09-08 07:22 PM   #12 
  - bump  Iktomiwicasa   Feb-09-08 09:21 PM   #13 
  - This is very important  Orwellian_Ghost   Feb-09-08 09:25 PM   #14 
  - ...  otherlander   Feb-09-08 10:37 PM   #16 
  - thanks  Iktomiwicasa   Feb-09-08 11:02 PM   #17 
  - We're all indigenous now, bro, no matter what zip is on the passport  Zorra   Feb-09-08 11:20 PM   #18 
  - Ummm...  Iktomiwicasa   Feb-09-08 11:44 PM   #19 
     - Think more about your response to my post. nt  Zorra   Feb-10-08 10:47 PM   #115 
  - Forgive my ignorance  justanaveragedude   Feb-10-08 01:08 AM   #20 
  - Good question  sfexpat2000   Feb-10-08 01:23 AM   #22 
  - Some of the deeper questions that you ask  Iktomiwicasa   Feb-10-08 01:54 AM   #29 
  - "native" americans are not indigenous to north/south america either...  QuestionAll   Feb-10-08 01:17 AM   #21 
  - Depends who you ask.  sfexpat2000   Feb-10-08 01:26 AM   #23 
  - ask any competent archaeologist...  QuestionAll   Feb-10-08 01:34 AM   #25 
  - Your cultural slip is showing.  sfexpat2000   Feb-10-08 01:36 AM   #27 
  - and what would that be?  QuestionAll   Feb-10-08 01:44 AM   #28 
  - ask any competent American Indian, north/south america...  countryjake   Feb-10-08 01:58 AM   #33 
  - Your answer  Iktomiwicasa   Feb-10-08 02:00 AM   #34 
  - PM me with a link to your next poll, please.  ConcernedCanuk   Feb-10-08 06:45 AM   #41 
  - it WAS there land...until they were conquered.  QuestionAll   Feb-10-08 08:23 AM   #43 
  - So you must really love the occupation of Iraq, right?  newmajority   Feb-10-08 01:24 PM   #57 
     - not at all.  QuestionAll   Feb-10-08 02:47 PM   #74 
        - So, you don't recognize Indian nations as sovereign?  sfexpat2000   Feb-10-08 02:57 PM   #77 
           - they weren't recognized as soveriegn nations when the whites arrived.  QuestionAll   Feb-10-08 03:06 PM   #82 
              - We recognized ourselves as sovereign.  Iktomiwicasa   Feb-10-08 03:09 PM   #85 
              - I apoligize for being rude on your thread. n/t  sfexpat2000   Feb-10-08 03:12 PM   #88 
              - LOL!  sfexpat2000   Feb-10-08 03:10 PM   #86 
  - I am going to have to assume...  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-11-08 03:05 PM   #134 
     - hence the word "competent". n/t  countryjake   Feb-11-08 03:13 PM   #135 
  - excuse me while I  The Straight Story   Feb-10-08 09:42 PM   #112 
  - Would you support this horseshit being taught in schools?  Nabeshin   Feb-10-08 07:01 PM   #107 
     - Thank you for illustrating why the rights of indigenous people  sfexpat2000   Feb-10-08 09:56 PM   #113 
        - Culture and philosophy are one thing...  Nabeshin   Feb-10-08 11:05 PM   #116 
           - You mistake the Northern European that  sfexpat2000   Feb-11-08 02:15 PM   #132 
              - Enough dancing around the issue...  Nabeshin   Feb-11-08 02:54 PM   #133 
                 - No one here is promoting replacing evolutionary science  Iktomiwicasa   Feb-11-08 04:30 PM   #137 
  - Your opinions about our  Iktomiwicasa   Feb-10-08 01:55 AM   #31 
  - it's COMPLETELY relevant.  QuestionAll   Feb-10-08 08:25 AM   #44 
  - and race is a construct, so what's new.  NuttyFluffers   Feb-10-08 04:10 AM   #37 
  - that's fine...  QuestionAll   Feb-10-08 08:27 AM   #45 
     - Right. This was an Edenic wilderness waiting for white pioneers  sfexpat2000   Feb-10-08 09:39 AM   #46 
        - i never said or implied that white pioneers were indigenous- that's just ridiculous.  QuestionAll   Feb-10-08 02:52 PM   #75 
           - Yes, it is ridiculous. n/t  sfexpat2000   Feb-10-08 02:58 PM   #78 
              - thank-you for admitting that.  QuestionAll   Feb-10-08 03:03 PM   #81 
                 - And the UN agrees with me. It's ridiculous.  sfexpat2000   Feb-10-08 03:08 PM   #84 
  - Right.... and Joseph Smith said they all came over from Israel on Noah's Ark  newmajority   Feb-10-08 01:22 PM   #56 
  - How many thousands of years did they have to live here to be indigenous?  knitter4democracy   Feb-10-08 02:23 PM   #69 
     - what does being indigenous have to do with the 'right to rule'...?  QuestionAll   Feb-10-08 03:02 PM   #80 
     - Interesting  Iktomiwicasa   Feb-10-08 03:06 PM   #83 
     - Southern Europe, yes. Northern Europe, no.  knitter4democracy   Feb-10-08 03:11 PM   #87 
     - Only a few generations, same as the later settlers.  Donald Ian Rankin   Feb-10-08 06:47 PM   #106 
        - So, you won't mind me calling all Europeans Africans, right?  knitter4democracy   Feb-10-08 07:02 PM   #108 
           - LOL!  sfexpat2000   Feb-10-08 10:38 PM   #114 
           - Right back at ya!  knitter4democracy   Feb-10-08 11:34 PM   #117 
           - Are you sure you replied to the right post?  Donald Ian Rankin   Feb-11-08 05:43 AM   #123 
           - Yes, I did. Where's your generational cut-off?  knitter4democracy   Feb-11-08 09:48 AM   #125 
              - Depends on context, I'm afraid - sometimes one, sometimes a lot more than three.  Donald Ian Rankin   Feb-11-08 11:18 AM   #127 
                 - Which is it? Native Americans who were mistreated are supposed to forget?  knitter4democracy   Feb-11-08 11:38 AM   #128 
           - You win the internet  Chovexani   Feb-11-08 01:30 PM   #130 
  - This is a good way for us to learn something.  sfexpat2000   Feb-10-08 01:29 AM   #24 
  - I chose somewhat important in an attempt to be honest.  Political Heretic   Feb-10-08 01:35 AM   #26 
  - Ah Ho'  puerco-bellies   Feb-10-08 01:54 AM   #30 
  - very important  G_j   Feb-10-08 01:56 AM   #32 
  - The wellbeing of Native Americans is very important to me.  lumberjack_jeff   Feb-10-08 02:12 AM   #35 
  - I could not say they were very important to me, and this is why:  The Backlash Cometh   Feb-10-08 02:30 AM   #36 
  - Fair questions.  Iktomiwicasa   Feb-10-08 09:50 AM   #48 
     - I figured.  The Backlash Cometh   Feb-10-08 10:17 AM   #50 
  - If you can include Native Hawaiian in that category,  mahina   Feb-10-08 04:10 AM   #38 
  - of course they are. how gov't treats the marginalized and weakest is crucially important.  NuttyFluffers   Feb-10-08 04:17 AM   #39 
  - I can't help but wonder why anybody would choose option 3  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Feb-10-08 04:53 AM   #40 
  - All I ask is that your answer be truthful without regard to political correctness.  Zywiec   Feb-10-08 06:53 AM   #42 
  - Well  Iktomiwicasa   Feb-10-08 09:46 AM   #47 
  - Can that happen? Or does that happen?  conservdem   Feb-10-08 10:50 AM   #51 
  - Has there ever been a government that doesn't exploit it's power  sfexpat2000   Feb-10-08 01:41 PM   #60 
  - I don't think so, I've read over the posted rules and guidelines  apocalypsehow   Feb-10-08 02:00 PM   #63 
     - NOTHING here is anonymous to the admin, not even poll votes.  Lance_Boyle   Feb-11-08 03:33 PM   #136 
  - DU is not "democratic" but a privately owned forum with rules and moderators.  uppityperson   Feb-10-08 01:29 PM   #58 
     - I understand that  Iktomiwicasa   Feb-10-08 01:36 PM   #59 
        - It happened.  uppityperson   Feb-10-08 01:45 PM   #61 
           - Oh, I didn't know that. Never mind my post above, I didn't see  apocalypsehow   Feb-10-08 02:04 PM   #64 
  - However, that poll (and it's answers) were neither sincere nor topical.  LanternWaste   Feb-11-08 11:45 AM   #129 
  - Are native Americans entitled to any rights that other American citizens are not?  Squatch   Feb-10-08 10:09 AM   #49 
  - Has the US government entered into any treaties with your people?  sfexpat2000   Feb-10-08 01:07 PM   #54 
     - One of the last times the "gubmit" entered into treaty with "my people"  Squatch   Feb-10-08 07:02 PM   #109 
  - I'm half American Indian, and I am perfectly satisfied with the rights I have.  Redstone   Feb-10-08 12:58 PM   #53 
  - Really, Redstone? I've only got a few splashes of Pipil in me  sfexpat2000   Feb-10-08 01:20 PM   #55 
     - Truth. I've never suffered any discrimination because of my ethnic heritage.  Redstone   Feb-10-08 02:00 PM   #62 
        - Are you and enrolled tribal member  Iktomiwicasa   Feb-10-08 02:15 PM   #66 
        - A young lady who became a dear friend in the 70s came out here to  sfexpat2000   Feb-10-08 02:38 PM   #71 
        - You raise a good point. I do not doubt that things are different (and much better) here in  Redstone   Feb-10-08 03:15 PM   #90 
        - . . .  sfexpat2000   Feb-10-08 03:17 PM   #91 
           - Yes, I sent him (or her) a PM as well, because I really screwed up by not recognizing  Redstone   Feb-10-08 03:22 PM   #92 
        - I see really overt racism here too.  lumberjack_jeff   Feb-10-08 03:24 PM   #93 
           - I'm very well adjusted  Iktomiwicasa   Feb-10-08 03:27 PM   #95 
              - I'm not talking about cultural assimilation.  lumberjack_jeff   Feb-10-08 03:32 PM   #97 
        - My family was the color in our Sunnyvale neighborhood  sfexpat2000   Feb-10-08 02:30 PM   #70 
  - Who are the 15 that voted "not important"?  patrioticintellect   Feb-10-08 02:06 PM   #65 
  - It's ok  Iktomiwicasa   Feb-10-08 02:17 PM   #68 
  - Wave to the freeps and their proud ignorance.  sfexpat2000   Feb-10-08 02:41 PM   #72 
  - While I'm not one of the 15  GrpCaptMandrake   Feb-10-08 02:55 PM   #76 
  - Missing from your assessment is the treaty obligations  sfexpat2000   Feb-10-08 03:00 PM   #79 
     - True  GrpCaptMandrake   Feb-10-08 03:53 PM   #104 
  - I am a very decent person  Book Lover   Feb-10-08 03:12 PM   #89 
  - Well, now, that was a damn good post. The kind of post that reminds me of why I like DU.  Redstone   Feb-10-08 03:42 PM   #101 
  - Yeah! No decency! Let's throw rocks at 'em! n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Feb-10-08 03:26 PM   #94 
  - I thought long and hard before I voted in this poll  apocalypsehow   Feb-10-08 02:16 PM   #67 
  - Your raise interesting definitional questions  GrpCaptMandrake   Feb-10-08 02:43 PM   #73 
  - Let me suggest another poll, if I may.  Redstone   Feb-10-08 03:31 PM   #96 
  - Around here in western Indian Country  Iktomiwicasa   Feb-10-08 03:41 PM   #100 
     - I don't get "offended" by either, myself, I just was asking about preferences.  Redstone   Feb-10-08 03:49 PM   #103 
  - kick  countryjake   Feb-10-08 09:40 PM   #111 
  - K&R.  BeHereNow   Feb-10-08 11:44 PM   #118 
  - Heh  Iktomiwicasa   Feb-11-08 12:04 AM   #119 
     - Heh...  BeHereNow   Feb-11-08 12:22 AM   #121 
        - Eh....  Iktomiwicasa   Feb-11-08 04:32 PM   #138 
           - I'm glad to see you posting again... this place needs a good shaking now and then.  BeHereNow   Feb-11-08 09:17 PM   #139 
              - 8 degrees and snowing  Iktomiwicasa   Feb-11-08 09:59 PM   #140 
  - Indigenous rights are no more or less important to me than anyone else's rights  petronius   Feb-11-08 12:06 AM   #120 
  - I'm concerned about their rights  aint_no_life_nowhere   Feb-11-08 12:56 AM   #122 
  - Unfortunately, the casino buy-off may have salved enough consciences...  dmesg   Feb-11-08 10:00 AM   #126 
  - The first nations to meet the English in this country aren't even federally recognized..  Virginia Dare   Feb-11-08 01:54 PM   #131 
  - How about focusing on human rights...  NaturalHigh   Feb-11-08 11:59 PM   #141 
 

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