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Sun Feb-10-08 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #65 |
| 72. Wave to the freeps and their proud ignorance. |
| - Indigenous rights |
Iktomiwicasa |
Feb-09-08 05:23 PM |
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There are many here who think First Nations rights are important. |
knitter4democracy |
Feb-09-08 05:25 PM |
#1 |
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What happened to indigenous peoples here in America |
mdmc |
Feb-09-08 05:25 PM |
#2 |
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May I confess my ignorance on this? |
End Of The Road |
Feb-09-08 05:28 PM |
#3 |
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Specifics need to wait untill a later poll |
Iktomiwicasa |
Feb-09-08 05:30 PM |
#4 |
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Well patience is not one of my (few) virtues... |
End Of The Road |
Feb-09-08 05:46 PM |
#7 |
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Issues would include taking their land, killing them, kidnapping and raping them, enslaving them |
ConcernedCanuk |
Feb-09-08 06:26 PM |
#9 |
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I doubt that Native Americans |
End Of The Road |
Feb-09-08 06:31 PM |
#10 |
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As you've admitted you're unfamiliar with the issues, perhaps you shouldn't speak for them? |
dicksteele |
Feb-09-08 09:26 PM |
#15 |
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No offense, but it's not JUST a US problem... |
AlertLurker |
Feb-10-08 03:33 PM |
#98 |
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Indigenous peoples and cultures are under attack everywhere. |
personman |
Feb-10-08 03:58 PM |
#105 |
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Ever heard of Wiremu Kingi? |
AlertLurker |
Feb-11-08 08:14 AM |
#124 |
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I wasn't suggesting it was just a USA problem. |
ConcernedCanuk |
Feb-10-08 08:25 PM |
#110 |
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Here are some resources that have helped me: |
personman |
Feb-10-08 03:34 PM |
#99 |
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My answer is either the first or the second depending on what you mean. |
porphyrian |
Feb-09-08 05:34 PM |
#5 |
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IMO, and some others, our own rights depend on the rights of others |
personman |
Feb-10-08 12:55 PM |
#52 |
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I went with 2. |
RuleOfNah |
Feb-10-08 03:44 PM |
#102 |
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Thanks for starting this. |
tekisui |
Feb-09-08 05:41 PM |
#6 |
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Good Luck |
Arctic Dave |
Feb-09-08 05:58 PM |
#8 |
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Hi, Dave... |
Blue_In_AK |
Feb-09-08 06:34 PM |
#11 |
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bump for evening crew: nt |
Iktomiwicasa |
Feb-09-08 07:22 PM |
#12 |
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bump |
Iktomiwicasa |
Feb-09-08 09:21 PM |
#13 |
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This is very important |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Feb-09-08 09:25 PM |
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... |
otherlander |
Feb-09-08 10:37 PM |
#16 |
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thanks |
Iktomiwicasa |
Feb-09-08 11:02 PM |
#17 |
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We're all indigenous now, bro, no matter what zip is on the passport |
Zorra |
Feb-09-08 11:20 PM |
#18 |
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Ummm... |
Iktomiwicasa |
Feb-09-08 11:44 PM |
#19 |
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Think more about your response to my post. nt |
Zorra |
Feb-10-08 10:47 PM |
#115 |
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Forgive my ignorance |
justanaveragedude |
Feb-10-08 01:08 AM |
#20 |
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Good question |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-10-08 01:23 AM |
#22 |
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Some of the deeper questions that you ask |
Iktomiwicasa |
Feb-10-08 01:54 AM |
#29 |
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"native" americans are not indigenous to north/south america either... |
QuestionAll |
Feb-10-08 01:17 AM |
#21 |
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Depends who you ask. |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-10-08 01:26 AM |
#23 |
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ask any competent archaeologist... |
QuestionAll |
Feb-10-08 01:34 AM |
#25 |
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Your cultural slip is showing. |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-10-08 01:36 AM |
#27 |
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and what would that be? |
QuestionAll |
Feb-10-08 01:44 AM |
#28 |
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ask any competent American Indian, north/south america... |
countryjake |
Feb-10-08 01:58 AM |
#33 |
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Your answer |
Iktomiwicasa |
Feb-10-08 02:00 AM |
#34 |
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PM me with a link to your next poll, please. |
ConcernedCanuk |
Feb-10-08 06:45 AM |
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it WAS there land...until they were conquered. |
QuestionAll |
Feb-10-08 08:23 AM |
#43 |
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So you must really love the occupation of Iraq, right? |
newmajority |
Feb-10-08 01:24 PM |
#57 |
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not at all. |
QuestionAll |
Feb-10-08 02:47 PM |
#74 |
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So, you don't recognize Indian nations as sovereign? |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-10-08 02:57 PM |
#77 |
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they weren't recognized as soveriegn nations when the whites arrived. |
QuestionAll |
Feb-10-08 03:06 PM |
#82 |
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We recognized ourselves as sovereign. |
Iktomiwicasa |
Feb-10-08 03:09 PM |
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I apoligize for being rude on your thread. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-10-08 03:12 PM |
#88 |
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LOL! |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-10-08 03:10 PM |
#86 |
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I am going to have to assume... |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-11-08 03:05 PM |
#134 |
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hence the word "competent". n/t |
countryjake |
Feb-11-08 03:13 PM |
#135 |
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excuse me while I |
The Straight Story |
Feb-10-08 09:42 PM |
#112 |
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Would you support this horseshit being taught in schools? |
Nabeshin |
Feb-10-08 07:01 PM |
#107 |
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Thank you for illustrating why the rights of indigenous people |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-10-08 09:56 PM |
#113 |
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Culture and philosophy are one thing... |
Nabeshin |
Feb-10-08 11:05 PM |
#116 |
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You mistake the Northern European that |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-11-08 02:15 PM |
#132 |
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Enough dancing around the issue... |
Nabeshin |
Feb-11-08 02:54 PM |
#133 |
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No one here is promoting replacing evolutionary science |
Iktomiwicasa |
Feb-11-08 04:30 PM |
#137 |
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Your opinions about our |
Iktomiwicasa |
Feb-10-08 01:55 AM |
#31 |
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it's COMPLETELY relevant. |
QuestionAll |
Feb-10-08 08:25 AM |
#44 |
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and race is a construct, so what's new. |
NuttyFluffers |
Feb-10-08 04:10 AM |
#37 |
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that's fine... |
QuestionAll |
Feb-10-08 08:27 AM |
#45 |
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Right. This was an Edenic wilderness waiting for white pioneers |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-10-08 09:39 AM |
#46 |
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i never said or implied that white pioneers were indigenous- that's just ridiculous. |
QuestionAll |
Feb-10-08 02:52 PM |
#75 |
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Yes, it is ridiculous. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-10-08 02:58 PM |
#78 |
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thank-you for admitting that. |
QuestionAll |
Feb-10-08 03:03 PM |
#81 |
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And the UN agrees with me. It's ridiculous. |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-10-08 03:08 PM |
#84 |
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Right.... and Joseph Smith said they all came over from Israel on Noah's Ark |
newmajority |
Feb-10-08 01:22 PM |
#56 |
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How many thousands of years did they have to live here to be indigenous? |
knitter4democracy |
Feb-10-08 02:23 PM |
#69 |
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what does being indigenous have to do with the 'right to rule'...? |
QuestionAll |
Feb-10-08 03:02 PM |
#80 |
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Interesting |
Iktomiwicasa |
Feb-10-08 03:06 PM |
#83 |
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Southern Europe, yes. Northern Europe, no. |
knitter4democracy |
Feb-10-08 03:11 PM |
#87 |
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Only a few generations, same as the later settlers. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Feb-10-08 06:47 PM |
#106 |
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So, you won't mind me calling all Europeans Africans, right? |
knitter4democracy |
Feb-10-08 07:02 PM |
#108 |
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LOL! |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-10-08 10:38 PM |
#114 |
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Right back at ya! |
knitter4democracy |
Feb-10-08 11:34 PM |
#117 |
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Are you sure you replied to the right post? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Feb-11-08 05:43 AM |
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Yes, I did. Where's your generational cut-off? |
knitter4democracy |
Feb-11-08 09:48 AM |
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Depends on context, I'm afraid - sometimes one, sometimes a lot more than three. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Feb-11-08 11:18 AM |
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Which is it? Native Americans who were mistreated are supposed to forget? |
knitter4democracy |
Feb-11-08 11:38 AM |
#128 |
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You win the internet |
Chovexani |
Feb-11-08 01:30 PM |
#130 |
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This is a good way for us to learn something. |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-10-08 01:29 AM |
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I chose somewhat important in an attempt to be honest. |
Political Heretic |
Feb-10-08 01:35 AM |
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Ah Ho' |
puerco-bellies |
Feb-10-08 01:54 AM |
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very important |
G_j |
Feb-10-08 01:56 AM |
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The wellbeing of Native Americans is very important to me. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Feb-10-08 02:12 AM |
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I could not say they were very important to me, and this is why: |
The Backlash Cometh |
Feb-10-08 02:30 AM |
#36 |
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Fair questions. |
Iktomiwicasa |
Feb-10-08 09:50 AM |
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I figured. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Feb-10-08 10:17 AM |
#50 |
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If you can include Native Hawaiian in that category, |
mahina |
Feb-10-08 04:10 AM |
#38 |
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of course they are. how gov't treats the marginalized and weakest is crucially important. |
NuttyFluffers |
Feb-10-08 04:17 AM |
#39 |
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I can't help but wonder why anybody would choose option 3 |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-10-08 04:53 AM |
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All I ask is that your answer be truthful without regard to political correctness. |
Zywiec |
Feb-10-08 06:53 AM |
#42 |
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Well |
Iktomiwicasa |
Feb-10-08 09:46 AM |
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Can that happen? Or does that happen? |
conservdem |
Feb-10-08 10:50 AM |
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Has there ever been a government that doesn't exploit it's power |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-10-08 01:41 PM |
#60 |
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I don't think so, I've read over the posted rules and guidelines |
apocalypsehow |
Feb-10-08 02:00 PM |
#63 |
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NOTHING here is anonymous to the admin, not even poll votes. |
Lance_Boyle |
Feb-11-08 03:33 PM |
#136 |
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DU is not "democratic" but a privately owned forum with rules and moderators. |
uppityperson |
Feb-10-08 01:29 PM |
#58 |
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I understand that |
Iktomiwicasa |
Feb-10-08 01:36 PM |
#59 |
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It happened. |
uppityperson |
Feb-10-08 01:45 PM |
#61 |
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Oh, I didn't know that. Never mind my post above, I didn't see |
apocalypsehow |
Feb-10-08 02:04 PM |
#64 |
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However, that poll (and it's answers) were neither sincere nor topical. |
LanternWaste |
Feb-11-08 11:45 AM |
#129 |
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Are native Americans entitled to any rights that other American citizens are not? |
Squatch |
Feb-10-08 10:09 AM |
#49 |
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Has the US government entered into any treaties with your people? |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-10-08 01:07 PM |
#54 |
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One of the last times the "gubmit" entered into treaty with "my people" |
Squatch |
Feb-10-08 07:02 PM |
#109 |
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I'm half American Indian, and I am perfectly satisfied with the rights I have. |
Redstone |
Feb-10-08 12:58 PM |
#53 |
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Really, Redstone? I've only got a few splashes of Pipil in me |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-10-08 01:20 PM |
#55 |
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Truth. I've never suffered any discrimination because of my ethnic heritage. |
Redstone |
Feb-10-08 02:00 PM |
#62 |
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Are you and enrolled tribal member |
Iktomiwicasa |
Feb-10-08 02:15 PM |
#66 |
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A young lady who became a dear friend in the 70s came out here to |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-10-08 02:38 PM |
#71 |
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You raise a good point. I do not doubt that things are different (and much better) here in |
Redstone |
Feb-10-08 03:15 PM |
#90 |
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. . . |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-10-08 03:17 PM |
#91 |
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Yes, I sent him (or her) a PM as well, because I really screwed up by not recognizing |
Redstone |
Feb-10-08 03:22 PM |
#92 |
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I see really overt racism here too. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Feb-10-08 03:24 PM |
#93 |
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I'm very well adjusted |
Iktomiwicasa |
Feb-10-08 03:27 PM |
#95 |
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I'm not talking about cultural assimilation. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Feb-10-08 03:32 PM |
#97 |
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My family was the color in our Sunnyvale neighborhood |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-10-08 02:30 PM |
#70 |
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Who are the 15 that voted "not important"? |
patrioticintellect |
Feb-10-08 02:06 PM |
#65 |
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It's ok |
Iktomiwicasa |
Feb-10-08 02:17 PM |
#68 |
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Wave to the freeps and their proud ignorance. |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-10-08 02:41 PM |
#72 |
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While I'm not one of the 15 |
GrpCaptMandrake |
Feb-10-08 02:55 PM |
#76 |
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Missing from your assessment is the treaty obligations |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-10-08 03:00 PM |
#79 |
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True |
GrpCaptMandrake |
Feb-10-08 03:53 PM |
#104 |
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I am a very decent person |
Book Lover |
Feb-10-08 03:12 PM |
#89 |
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Well, now, that was a damn good post. The kind of post that reminds me of why I like DU. |
Redstone |
Feb-10-08 03:42 PM |
#101 |
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Yeah! No decency! Let's throw rocks at 'em! n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Feb-10-08 03:26 PM |
#94 |
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I thought long and hard before I voted in this poll |
apocalypsehow |
Feb-10-08 02:16 PM |
#67 |
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Your raise interesting definitional questions |
GrpCaptMandrake |
Feb-10-08 02:43 PM |
#73 |
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Let me suggest another poll, if I may. |
Redstone |
Feb-10-08 03:31 PM |
#96 |
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Around here in western Indian Country |
Iktomiwicasa |
Feb-10-08 03:41 PM |
#100 |
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I don't get "offended" by either, myself, I just was asking about preferences. |
Redstone |
Feb-10-08 03:49 PM |
#103 |
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kick |
countryjake |
Feb-10-08 09:40 PM |
#111 |
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K&R. |
BeHereNow |
Feb-10-08 11:44 PM |
#118 |
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Heh |
Iktomiwicasa |
Feb-11-08 12:04 AM |
#119 |
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Heh... |
BeHereNow |
Feb-11-08 12:22 AM |
#121 |
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Eh.... |
Iktomiwicasa |
Feb-11-08 04:32 PM |
#138 |
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I'm glad to see you posting again... this place needs a good shaking now and then. |
BeHereNow |
Feb-11-08 09:17 PM |
#139 |
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8 degrees and snowing |
Iktomiwicasa |
Feb-11-08 09:59 PM |
#140 |
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Indigenous rights are no more or less important to me than anyone else's rights |
petronius |
Feb-11-08 12:06 AM |
#120 |
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I'm concerned about their rights |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Feb-11-08 12:56 AM |
#122 |
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Unfortunately, the casino buy-off may have salved enough consciences... |
dmesg |
Feb-11-08 10:00 AM |
#126 |
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The first nations to meet the English in this country aren't even federally recognized.. |
Virginia Dare |
Feb-11-08 01:54 PM |
#131 |
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How about focusing on human rights... |
NaturalHigh |
Feb-11-08 11:59 PM |
#141 |
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