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24. Impeachment is "Smart" for America. . . and Democrats (here's why)
Edited on Fri Feb-08-08 02:38 AM by pat_k
From the PDF flyer Talking Impeachment is a Foreign Land (the DC beltway)

. . .
Impeachment is Best for Democrats:
  • The party’s historical "weakness" is what got us into this mess.
    It pervades the electorate’s view on all other issues. A display
    of resolve now could erase decades of damage.
  • Impeachment forces a comprehensive "up or down vote."
    It can force Republicans to go on record defending the worst
    of the recent past with the maximum public attention.
  • The polls show independents’ support for impeachment
    to be high. Now is the time to lock in that swing vote for
    the foreseeable future.
. . .


Members of Congress have a moral obligation to impeach. That is, and always will be, the bottom line. But they have been so hung up on their baseless belief that impeachment is "certain" political suicide that they have been deaf to the moral case. The truth is that impeachment shouldn't actually require much "courage." Impeaching is not just the right thing to do, impeaching Bush and Cheney for torture is a BIG WINNER It's not just about telling Conyers why impeachment is the Best and Smartest political move he can make. We need to combat the fears too.

If Conyers is really "on the edge;" if he is actually looking for reasons that impeachment is Smart, then the points in the Talking Impeachment flyer should help you "close the deal." (Print the flyer double-sided and fold to make yourself and your fellow impeachment lobbyists a handy quick reference.)

For tips on getting "buy-in" on basic principles, eliciting their rationalizations for inaction, and challenging them in a way that leaves no logical out, check out:
Talking Impeachment as a Citizen Lobbyist
A PDF guide that describes how you can
request, schedule, prepare for, conduct, and
follow-up a meeting with a Member of Congress or
staffer to maximize your effectiveness.





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  Conyers Says He's on Edge of Starting Impeachment davidswanson  Feb-07-08 11:36 PM   #0 
   Oh, oh. He'll be at odd with his candidate, Obama.  jasmine621   Feb-07-08 11:39 PM   #1 
   Jasmine, that's bunk  jkshaw   Feb-07-08 11:40 PM   #3 
   Not bunk. He said it.  BleedingHeartPatriot   Feb-08-08 12:04 AM   #6 
   Obama says Bush administration has "SHORTCOMINGS" . . . !!! !!!!  defendandprotect   Feb-08-08 12:20 AM   #8 
      "...impeachment should not be used as a standard political tool."  DCKit   Feb-08-08 01:30 AM   #21 
      AMEN!  Journalgrrl   Feb-08-08 05:41 PM   #82 
      It *won't* be used by the standard political tools, says Pelosi. n/t  Orsino   Feb-08-08 07:25 PM   #100 
      Vote the bums out? Doesn't Mr. Obama remember how hard we've tried...  puebloknot   Feb-08-08 06:04 AM   #30 
      ..impeachment should not be used as a standard political tool..  Pirate looks at 50   Feb-08-08 12:55 PM   #58 
   Get Real. Obama said it himself: * & Cheney haven't done anything "grave" enough to Impeach.  TheGoldenRule   Feb-08-08 02:00 AM   #23 
   Neither Obama or Hillary will hold these thugs accountable.  alyce douglas   Feb-08-08 08:53 AM   #44 
   Well, read what he said for yourself.  jasmine621   Feb-08-08 08:37 AM   #43 
      They don't care just so long as Barack "I'm in this for myself" Obama is the nominee.  Blue State Native   Feb-08-08 02:10 PM   #72 
         The lesser of two Evils is the only choice we have now that DK & JE have dropped out of the race  sce56   Feb-08-08 09:13 PM   #116 
   Delete.  sfexpat2000   Feb-08-08 12:23 AM   #11 
   Impeachment of Bush and Cheney would be used as a Law Enorcement tool.  Wizard777   Feb-08-08 10:13 AM   #47 
   !!! Ding Ding!! We got a winner!  Patchuli   Feb-08-08 10:49 PM   #125 
   So what does Hillary say about impeachment?  Lance_Boyle   Feb-08-08 11:38 AM   #55 
   Hasn't Conyers been on edge for a couple of years now?...seriously, what's the rush.  alllyingwhores   Feb-08-08 06:07 PM   #87 
   I have called, written, supported and advocated petitions  Ichingcarpenter   Feb-07-08 11:40 PM   #2 
   Oh well, take your freaking time John  shadowknows69   Feb-07-08 11:45 PM   #4 
   He's Such a Tease!  Demeter   Feb-08-08 12:40 AM   #14 
   Exactly. I'll believe it when I see it. n/t  Zookeeper   Feb-08-08 04:40 PM   #81 
   Weapons of Mass Impeachment...  jberryhill   Feb-08-08 12:02 AM   #5 
   By GAWD, you *nailed* it!  Ghost in the Machine   Feb-08-08 12:13 AM   #7 
   A worthy DUzy for sure.  Ichingcarpenter   Feb-08-08 12:22 AM   #10 
   You. Nail. Head.  dicksteele   Feb-08-08 05:04 AM   #28 
   DUZY Nomination!  Donnachaidh   Feb-08-08 08:30 AM   #42 
   BINGO!  pberq   Feb-08-08 10:37 AM   #48 
   and "btw ....help yourself to the beer and nuts."  KoKo01   Feb-08-08 02:46 PM   #73 
   I don't know whether to  AikidoSoul   Feb-08-08 08:16 PM   #109 
   Mr. Conyers knows we cannot impeach at the polls.  sfexpat2000   Feb-08-08 12:20 AM   #9 
   The edge of what? The table? Nancy'll just shove his ass off it again.  TahitiNut   Feb-08-08 12:32 AM   #12 
   Democrats in this district are looking for someone to challenge her.  sfexpat2000   Feb-08-08 12:36 AM   #13 
   now that is the best thing i have read all day:)  lala_rawraw   Feb-08-08 11:32 AM   #51 
   The "corporate power structure", he said, would not allow impeachment without unleashing "blowback."  nashville_brook   Feb-08-08 12:48 AM   #15 
   Yes! What does he mean by blowback?  puebloknot   Feb-08-08 06:16 AM   #33 
      Blowback, like anthrax?  RuleOfNah   Feb-08-08 11:33 AM   #52 
         Blowback, like martial law, closing of borders, "detention centers"...  puebloknot   Feb-08-08 06:09 PM   #89 
   Well Jesus John do it today!  peace13   Feb-08-08 01:15 AM   #16 
   Coward & liar  KakistocracyHater   Feb-08-08 01:18 AM   #17 
   Uh-huh, sure.  Marr   Feb-08-08 01:23 AM   #18 
   Letting Darth Vader overtly run the Country is a bad idea. - n/t  BrightKnight   Feb-08-08 01:25 AM   #19 
   The people in our government should be held accountable.  peace13   Feb-08-08 01:42 AM   #22 
   Pretending he doesn't do exactly that and hasn't since 2000  tavalon   Feb-08-08 06:04 PM   #85 
   Conyers is full of shit.  trashcanistanista   Feb-08-08 01:28 AM   #20 
   Impeachment is "Smart" for America. . . and Democrats (here's why)  pat_k   Feb-08-08 02:13 AM   #24 
   Forget that! Just send another nasty letter! n/t  dmosh42   Feb-08-08 04:59 AM   #27 
   If any national leader had the guts to stand up for justice...  puebloknot   Feb-08-08 06:11 AM   #32 
      Corporate mafia: no one wants to upset their apple cart  Echo In Light   Feb-08-08 07:43 AM   #39 
         If they try, they'll very possibly be "Wellstoned" -- a euphemism...  puebloknot   Feb-08-08 06:03 PM   #84 
   As I see it, not on the edge of impeachment  Tresalisa   Feb-08-08 02:18 AM   #25 
   If he hasn't seen enough to push him over that edge by now,  Riddler   Feb-08-08 02:25 AM   #26 
   The corporate power structure?  malaise   Feb-08-08 05:28 AM   #29 
   Translation: greedhead anti-American republicon cronies  SpiralHawk   Feb-08-08 06:08 AM   #31 
   "That's how our system is designed."  Disturbed   Feb-08-08 06:19 AM   #35 
   Well, he is one of the few to mention the elephant in the room  tavalon   Feb-08-08 06:08 PM   #88 
      kick that!  BelgianMadCow   Feb-08-08 07:39 PM   #105 
   I Would Think That Anyone "Corporate" Seeking To Defend War Criminals...  Senator   Feb-08-08 06:18 AM   #34 
   Well David, Mr, Conyers has certainly pulled us all around into circles.  mmonk   Feb-08-08 06:43 AM   #36 
   let me know if he crosses the edge  radfringe   Feb-08-08 06:47 AM   #37 
   Whatever. I'll believe it when someone actually does something. -n/t  porphyrian   Feb-08-08 06:55 AM   #38 
   Yawn . . . no excitement here. Not a chance in hell. nt  Vinca   Feb-08-08 08:05 AM   #40 
   Jeeze, Conyers. What took you so long?  Stoic   Feb-08-08 08:09 AM   #41 
   It is neither from where I'm sitting,  tavalon   Feb-08-08 06:10 PM   #90 
   Conyers must start impeachment now!  whistle   Feb-08-08 10:01 AM   #45 
   YES, folks it is a two-year plan, and year two has begun.  L. Coyote   Feb-08-08 10:06 AM   #46 
   Where he will remain carefully balanced until January.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-08-08 11:16 AM   #49 
   on the edge?  lala_rawraw   Feb-08-08 11:32 AM   #50 
   No, he isn't kidding you, lala,  tavalon   Feb-08-08 06:13 PM   #91 
      i have no clue  lala_rawraw   Feb-08-08 09:44 PM   #118 
   his voice roars with the strength of a......kitten  emald   Feb-08-08 11:35 AM   #53 
   I Would Love To Be Wrong About This  NikolaC   Feb-08-08 11:37 AM   #54 
   I don't know, but I do know it is making me sick!  lonestarnot   Feb-08-08 12:40 PM   #57 
   This is why they won't impeach?  Cleita   Feb-08-08 12:34 PM   #56 
   Once again....I'll believe it when I see it.  Pacifist Patriot   Feb-08-08 01:03 PM   #59 
   Maybe he is waiting until after the Hearing on Voter Suppression (w Blackwell)  mod mom   Feb-08-08 01:05 PM   #60 
   Conyers, I love you, but shit or get off the pot  dmesg   Feb-08-08 01:11 PM   #61 
   They are going to huff, and they are going to puff, but --  The Stranger   Feb-08-08 01:12 PM   #62 
   K and R  femrap   Feb-08-08 01:12 PM   #63 
   Pull the trigger or STFU, John  Lilith Velkor   Feb-08-08 01:16 PM   #64 
   no shit  2008   Feb-08-08 01:49 PM   #69 
   Hasn't he been saying this for years?  jlake   Feb-08-08 01:20 PM   #65 
   The dog and pony show continues.  notsodumbhillbilly   Feb-08-08 01:20 PM   #66 
   Last month I spoke with Betty Sutton,  femrap   Feb-08-08 01:25 PM   #67 
   Oh for fucking christ sakes, someone kick him in his  Javaman   Feb-08-08 01:26 PM   #68 
   Sadly, he's talking about Nixon.  jgraz   Feb-08-08 02:02 PM   #70 
   The price of peace is victory over those who don't want it. -Joe S.  Peake   Feb-08-08 02:03 PM   #71 
   Wow!  Time for change   Feb-08-08 03:29 PM   #74 
   I feel there is.  Independent_Liberal   Feb-08-08 03:45 PM   #76 
   There's another problem I see.  tblue37   Feb-08-08 03:34 PM   #75 
   Kick  Ichingcarpenter   Feb-08-08 03:51 PM   #77 
   Conyers: 3 More Congress Members and I'll Impeach  Freddie Stubbs   Feb-08-08 04:14 PM   #78 
   Kick for the DUer that wrote this  Ichingcarpenter   Feb-08-08 04:18 PM   #79 
   Just one word :  ForeignSpectator   Feb-08-08 04:30 PM   #80 
   No shit. I'm not holding my breath. They should have done this years ago.  Beam Me Up   Feb-08-08 05:56 PM   #83 
   If, indeed, Conyers is on the edge of the impeachment cliff...  rateyes   Feb-08-08 06:06 PM   #86 
   Push him!  Radical Activist   Feb-08-08 06:15 PM   #92 
   How many times have we been here?  Phred42   Feb-08-08 06:16 PM   #93 
   Where would we be if the Founding Fathers were AFRAID of Blowback?  Phred42   Feb-08-08 07:21 PM   #98 
   The "corporate power structure", he said, would not allow impeachment without unleashing "blowback."  Psyop Samurai   Feb-08-08 06:26 PM   #94 
   Did Conyers actually say "corporate power structure" and "blowback"?  RuleOfNah   Feb-08-08 08:29 PM   #112 
   Impeach Cheney first---do it for Haliburton's illegal no bid contracts.  McCamy Taylor   Feb-08-08 06:26 PM   #95 
   I'm with you baby N/T  AikidoSoul   Feb-08-08 08:28 PM   #111 
   Not Fooled.He has no intention of making admin. accountable. Just appeasing the public.  bjobotts   Feb-08-08 07:13 PM   #96 
   He's like Lucy in the Peanuts comic strip,  notsodumbhillbilly   Feb-08-08 07:26 PM   #102 
   ON the edge? What does it take with these people? Anything he's done up to now  AllyCat   Feb-08-08 07:14 PM   #97 
   "A time comes when silence is betrayal" - Martin Luther King  Phred42   Feb-08-08 07:22 PM   #99 
   REC 60 Looking forward to more evidence becoming public soon.  L. Coyote   Feb-08-08 07:26 PM   #101 
   what edge?  spanone   Feb-08-08 07:27 PM   #103 
   No More Talking... Just Do It!  fascisthunter   Feb-08-08 07:29 PM   #104 
   Is Conyers' up for re-election in 2008? If so, then look for the answer no more. COWARD.  NoodleyAppendage   Feb-08-08 07:40 PM   #106 
   like all congress members  davidswanson   Feb-08-08 07:49 PM   #107 
      Nice Aristophanes reference...doesn't happen much around DU. n/t  NoodleyAppendage   Feb-08-08 10:07 PM   #122 
   He really, really, really, means it this time.  jmauller   Feb-08-08 08:04 PM   #108 
   It's about time!  nightrain   Feb-08-08 08:25 PM   #110 
   It sounds to me like  disndat   Feb-08-08 08:30 PM   #113 
   That actually sounds like a smart thing to do...  varelse   Feb-08-08 08:51 PM   #114 
   Oh for god's sake.  bushwentawol   Feb-08-08 09:09 PM   #115 
   And I say I'm on the edge of giving a shit WHAT this cowardly Dem-controlled Congress says...  DRoseDARs   Feb-08-08 09:34 PM   #117 
   Call us when you "get to the rim".....  Postman   Feb-08-08 09:49 PM   #119 
   the "corporate power structure" just about says it all....  mike_c   Feb-08-08 09:51 PM   #120 
   Timing is everything  California Griz   Feb-08-08 10:03 PM   #121 
   New flash...I'm on the edge of staring to date Michelle Pfeiffer.  Snarkoleptic   Feb-08-08 10:28 PM   #123 
   I'm with you snark.  Deny and Shred   Feb-08-08 10:42 PM   #124 
   Some public contact phone numbers-John Conyers direct DC office lines  bobthedrummer   Feb-08-08 11:32 PM   #126 
   No he won't - he's a fucking LIAR...  TankLV   Feb-08-08 11:51 PM   #127 
   Re: "So how would it look if I allowed two women  anotheryellowdog   Feb-09-08 12:44 AM   #128 
 

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