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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 08:08 PM
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26. My impression of the bungling goes something like this
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 08:15 PM by L. Coyote
First, they torture in violation of Geneva Conventions, and they are having fun torturing. They make beautiful digital pictures and videos of torturing "terrorists" and everyone is having a great time of it. Then the Abu Graib images hit the news and the cleanup and cover up started. All the fun was suddenly war crimes. That is the context of the initial bungle.

Thereafter, as part of the cover-up, Bush went into denial mode, chanting, "We do not torture" to himself mostly--everyone else knew what the pictures said. Then his lie was revealed too, with admissions of waterboarding "terrorists" by CIA officials. So denial mode proved to be a bungled initial cover-up.

So, then it became imperative to PR the situation. What was needed was a distinction between admissions and crimes, of course. Thereafter, waterboarding was no longer torture because Bush said so, of course, and he had, after all, authorized it after his subordinate said it was legal so now is was legal then even if it wasn't legal now for reasons unknown. This was the last bungled cover-up, one lasting oh, over 24 hours!

DCIA Hayden said, two days ago, that waterboarding could be criminal, and CIA hasn't been doing these crimes for five years now. He didn't speak for the military, of course! So, Was Hayden saying "Bush is a criminal," or Did Bush waved his wand and made waterboarding legal before and torture again (or torture criminal again), these are questions the PR doesn't want you to ask.

The would-be PR benefits are:

You might forget any pictures you have seen or the relationship of those pictures to the CIA tapes.

You might focus on the wrong aspects of the crimes, and not see five years of continuous torturing of detainees.

There is a really long list of stuff to distract from, but I've ranted on too long ....
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  -CIA Boss: Waterboarding May Be Illegal- 1 hour ago ..... all 1,109 news articles L. Coyote  Feb-07-08 02:34 PM   #0 
  - Here it is:  tekisui   Feb-07-08 02:44 PM   #1 
  - The DoJ just admitted they authorized it, too!!  tekisui   Feb-07-08 02:45 PM   #2 
  - "private contractors, not just CIA agents, were involved in the waterboarding of detainees."  L. Coyote   Feb-07-08 02:55 PM   #3 
  - This was highly organized and highly authorized.  tekisui   Feb-07-08 03:01 PM   #4 
     - Look at the timeline: Years and years of cover up already.  L. Coyote   Feb-07-08 03:09 PM   #5 
     - I really have to believe that someone up there,  tekisui   Feb-07-08 03:12 PM   #6 
     - Busholini already admitted that "Enhanced Interrogation"  Disturbed   Feb-07-08 03:14 PM   #7 
     - Well, ONE of the methods are officially defined, now.  tekisui   Feb-07-08 03:17 PM   #8 
     - A war criminal protected from impeachment by his accmplice after the fact, the Speaker of the House.  The Stranger   Feb-07-08 03:18 PM   #9 
  - The rest of the world didn't authorize it. And that makes a difference.  ladjf   Feb-07-08 03:24 PM   #10 
  - Enhanced Interrogation of Detainees has save thousands of  Disturbed   Feb-07-08 03:26 PM   #11 
     - THE CIA'S SIX 'ENHANCED' TECHNIQUES  Disturbed   Feb-07-08 03:39 PM   #12 
  - Cheney says they have "no regrets", that they were "damn right"...  countryjake   Feb-07-08 03:50 PM   #13 
  - Let's hope that will soon become "no right" and "damn regrets"  KansDem   Feb-11-08 03:21 PM   #27 
  - mukasey was placed in the justice department for this very scenario imo  spanone   Feb-07-08 03:56 PM   #14 
  - VIDEO: Whitehouse to Mukasey: Why Not Investigate Torture?  L. Coyote   Feb-07-08 04:01 PM   #15 
  - Seems the only people on the planet who don't think this is torture  tekisui   Feb-07-08 04:01 PM   #16 
  - Congress must demand a "Special Prosecutor" be appointed  Disturbed   Feb-07-08 04:05 PM   #17 
  - Hitler's Germany called it "enhanced interrogation techniques"  mmonk   Feb-07-08 04:29 PM   #18 
  - Today the Rs outdid the Nazis. Their neologism "nonlethal interrogation techniques" says it all.  L. Coyote   Feb-07-08 04:42 PM   #22 
     - Actually, I think around two hundred people have died  mmonk   Feb-07-08 04:45 PM   #23 
  - This is important.  dog_lovin_dem   Feb-07-08 04:34 PM   #19 
  - "D'oh." - Commander AWOL  SpiralHawk   Feb-07-08 04:36 PM   #20 
  - Today's Must Read - Paul Kiel - Bush blundered into "recent pro-waterboarding PR offensive"  L. Coyote   Feb-07-08 04:39 PM   #21 
     - Anyone that claims that "Enhanced Interrogation" is not  Disturbed   Feb-07-08 05:01 PM   #24 
     - I don't get that "PR benefits"...what public-relations? And what benefit?  countryjake   Feb-09-08 01:03 AM   #25 
        - My impression of the bungling goes something like this  L. Coyote   Feb-09-08 08:08 PM   #26 

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