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Tue Feb-05-08 06:05 PM
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| 19. There are. But there's less to sensationalize. Terror sells. Tragedy sells. |
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Self defense just isn't as compelling, apparently.
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| -Okay how is it that there never are any gun carriers WHERE and WHEN they are "needed"? |
underpants |
Feb-05-08 03:44 PM |
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Luck. |
Squatch |
Feb-05-08 03:45 PM |
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I remember one in a McDonalds from about 10 years ago |
DS1 |
Feb-05-08 03:47 PM |
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There's a lot more than that. |
Nabeshin |
Feb-06-08 03:42 PM |
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I've changed my mind about this whole deal. |
smoogatz |
Feb-05-08 03:48 PM |
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Unfortunately, you have a point |
EstimatedProphet |
Feb-06-08 07:51 AM |
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Your fears have failed to manisfest in reality. |
Dimensio0 |
Feb-06-08 08:14 AM |
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Good that the training includes that |
EstimatedProphet |
Feb-06-08 09:06 AM |
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Why do you expect this? |
Dimensio0 |
Feb-06-08 09:20 AM |
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Yes, I am arguing hypotheticals |
EstimatedProphet |
Feb-06-08 10:24 AM |
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You are still not arguing with facts. |
Dimensio0 |
Feb-06-08 11:19 AM |
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No, I'm not arguing with facts. |
EstimatedProphet |
Feb-06-08 11:30 AM |
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Perhaps I have misunderstood you. |
Dimensio0 |
Feb-06-08 12:26 PM |
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OK, good. |
EstimatedProphet |
Feb-06-08 01:19 PM |
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Welcome to DU, Dimensio0 |
dmesg |
Feb-06-08 09:36 PM |
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Saying "they should" won't make it so. |
louis-t |
Feb-06-08 05:26 PM |
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Let the statistics reasure you. |
I work for workers |
Feb-06-08 07:20 PM |
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I find that estimate very hard to believe. |
louis-t |
Feb-07-08 02:13 PM |
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Excellent! DO NOT rely on stats! NO NEED to re: inherent rights! Unalienable means just that! nt |
jmg257 |
Feb-07-08 02:40 PM |
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What stats? "Estimated" stats? |
louis-t |
Feb-08-08 12:07 PM |
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ANY stats...not good to argue basic inherent & secured rights on stats...they don't always agree w/U |
jmg257 |
Feb-08-08 02:32 PM |
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What you have described is PRECISELY what happened in my family! |
CTyankee |
Feb-08-08 01:34 PM |
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My heartfelt sympathies for your loss. |
louis-t |
Feb-08-08 02:01 PM |
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Of course, nobody wants to talk about this one |
JulieRB |
Feb-08-08 02:10 PM |
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You will probably be prohibited from carrying on campus. n/t |
Wcross |
Feb-08-08 12:17 PM |
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Columbine, Va Tech, and other campuses are no-carry places. |
Lance_Boyle |
Feb-05-08 03:48 PM |
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I meant that I didn't know about restrictions in Texas |
underpants |
Feb-05-08 03:51 PM |
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I'm sure someone in Blacksburg had a gun |
Lance_Boyle |
Feb-06-08 09:20 AM |
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There was the woman at the Colorado Springs church a couple months ago |
MindPilot |
Feb-05-08 03:49 PM |
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That was the one I mentioned, or meant to, in the original post |
underpants |
Feb-05-08 03:53 PM |
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I hate to admit it, but CCW saved a woman's life here |
Warpy |
Feb-05-08 03:51 PM |
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Okay |
underpants |
Feb-05-08 03:52 PM |
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one suspects there aren't quite as many of those incidents as the 10's of thousands |
villager |
Feb-05-08 03:59 PM |
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Hyperbole much? There aren't tens of thousands of murders period, |
I work for workers |
Feb-05-08 04:57 PM |
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There are about 30,000 deaths by "guns" every year in the US |
underpants |
Feb-05-08 05:38 PM |
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You stated there were "tens of thousands of handgun murders per year." |
I work for workers |
Feb-05-08 07:13 PM |
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Please point me to some of the research |
NeoConsSuck |
Feb-05-08 08:40 PM |
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Check: |
I work for workers |
Feb-05-08 08:59 PM |
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notice how ammophiles never provide research of their own? |
villager |
Feb-05-08 10:31 PM |
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Wow Ive never seen someone post a dead off post |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Feb-06-08 10:43 AM |
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You didn't factor manslaughter deaths in the overall gun tally. |
villager |
Feb-06-08 03:34 PM |
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Since when does manslaughter = murder? |
I work for workers |
Feb-06-08 05:13 PM |
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to the reality-based community, it's still a handgun-caused death |
villager |
Feb-06-08 08:18 PM |
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A mere 17,000 murders in 2006 -- a mere bagatelle! |
villager |
Feb-05-08 10:29 PM |
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Only 12,000 of those murders used firearms. |
I work for workers |
Feb-05-08 11:49 PM |
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and you get your figure supporting 4,000 combo garroting and Ninja-starrings... |
villager |
Feb-06-08 12:27 AM |
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My figures are from the CDC. |
I work for workers |
Feb-06-08 07:45 AM |
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Thanks for the empathy, at least. It is appreciated. |
villager |
Feb-06-08 03:31 PM |
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Not sure exactly what stats you are looking for... |
jmg257 |
Feb-06-08 04:10 PM |
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"One child every three hours is killed by a gun" |
villager |
Feb-06-08 08:20 PM |
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As long as "children" are defined as 18 and younger, and the large percentage of offenders |
jmg257 |
Feb-06-08 08:23 PM |
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of course you put it in quotes. Acceptable collateral damage for the gun strokers |
villager |
Feb-06-08 08:26 PM |
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Correct - "children" and "criminals" are - unfortunately - not exclusive of each other. nt |
jmg257 |
Feb-06-08 08:32 PM |
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ah, so all the kids deserved it! None could be innocent |
villager |
Feb-06-08 08:33 PM |
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No - not at all. Only those who were shot trying to impose their will on others. Innocents |
jmg257 |
Feb-06-08 08:36 PM |
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Why are you arguing like a Bushie? |
krispos42 |
Feb-08-08 01:07 PM |
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One child every 5.24 hours commits murder |
krispos42 |
Feb-08-08 12:38 PM |
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The most comprehensive study on the subject... |
Nabeshin |
Feb-06-08 03:56 PM |
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So we have to factor in the 400,000 violent crimes committed w/ guns, you cite above |
villager |
Feb-06-08 09:18 PM |
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About 10-11,000 gun-related murders a year |
krispos42 |
Feb-08-08 12:24 PM |
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Most crimes and attempted crimes don't get widespread reporting. |
I work for workers |
Feb-05-08 05:02 PM |
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Why do these discussions always start with the same tired strawman argument? |
slackmaster |
Feb-05-08 05:08 PM |
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Well I am going to have to disagree with you there |
underpants |
Feb-05-08 05:40 PM |
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I could demand that you cite examples, but I'll let it slide in the interest of civility |
slackmaster |
Feb-05-08 05:44 PM |
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Thanks |
underpants |
Feb-05-08 05:51 PM |
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This guy had one at a seattle mall shootining |
depakid |
Feb-05-08 05:11 PM |
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Because he chose to not use the gun he had brought with him. |
ManiacJoe |
Feb-05-08 08:35 PM |
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There are. But there's less to sensationalize. Terror sells. Tragedy sells. |
Edweird |
Feb-05-08 06:05 PM |
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Bingo. (nt) |
redqueen |
Feb-06-08 10:50 AM |
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Just because you didn't hear about it doesn't mean that it didn't happen. |
Mugu |
Feb-05-08 06:13 PM |
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That's the one I thought the AP was unarmed! |
louis-t |
Feb-08-08 12:20 PM |
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Is there a link to the Pearl, MS 'facts' you state other than pro-gun |
louis-t |
Feb-08-08 04:30 PM |
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This is getting to be like a bad remake of the movie Airplane. |
Dawggie |
Feb-05-08 07:18 PM |
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Here's one for you..so you can't say "NEVER" anymore... |
Xenotime |
Feb-05-08 08:46 PM |
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It happens by planning. |
ManiacJoe |
Feb-05-08 08:47 PM |
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"Bad guys" do not think that clearly |
treestar |
Feb-05-08 10:51 PM |
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US Gov studies say otherwise: |
I work for workers |
Feb-06-08 11:09 AM |
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That's a repug talking point. |
louis-t |
Feb-08-08 12:23 PM |
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Every once in a while |
ManiacJoe |
Feb-08-08 04:38 PM |
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Must be the librul media |
treestar |
Feb-05-08 10:49 PM |
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Funny how the inanimate object will protect you |
louis-t |
Feb-08-08 12:25 PM |
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Funny, I thought the inanimate object was a tool. |
mvccd1000 |
Feb-08-08 12:33 PM |
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Spin. Either way, you used an inanimate object to perform |
louis-t |
Feb-08-08 01:28 PM |
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Same reason there's never a cop around WHERE and WHEN you need one. |
mvccd1000 |
Feb-05-08 11:13 PM |
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I think it is because they do not understand the Gun law(s). |
and-justice-for-all |
Feb-05-08 11:32 PM |
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They might be armed and like me, if it's not my or my family's lives in danger I'm doing nothing. |
RGBolen |
Feb-06-08 08:41 AM |
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and how come they always hit clothing stores in malls? |
leftofthedial |
Feb-06-08 11:22 AM |
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! |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-08-08 12:38 PM |
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We really gotta have more guns in the general populace. |
Dawggie |
Feb-06-08 11:23 AM |
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Perhaps you could offer an actual argument... |
Dimensio0 |
Feb-06-08 11:26 AM |
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Works for me. |
Dawggie |
Feb-06-08 11:48 AM |
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Not necessarily - some people probably can't handle the responsibility. But |
jmg257 |
Feb-06-08 11:57 AM |
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Because it's not true. Here's a few examples... |
jmg257 |
Feb-06-08 11:36 AM |
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Um... |
Dimensio0 |
Feb-06-08 11:46 AM |
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Cool - thanks! nt |
jmg257 |
Feb-06-08 11:52 AM |
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Okay thanks |
underpants |
Feb-06-08 01:47 PM |
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These are right-wing pro-gun sites. |
louis-t |
Feb-08-08 02:16 PM |
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Most permit holders don't carry. |
spin |
Feb-06-08 01:39 PM |
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In Michigan it reduces red tape |
spoony |
Feb-06-08 03:39 PM |
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The Ft. Hood shooting happend BEFORE concealed carry was legal in Texas |
derby378 |
Feb-06-08 09:21 PM |
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Survivorship bias |
AngryAmish |
Feb-06-08 09:34 PM |
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There was someone with a gun inside of Columbine High School |
JulieRB |
Feb-08-08 02:06 PM |
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This happens in inner cities as well. We have had too many children |
CTyankee |
Feb-08-08 03:22 PM |
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Gun nuts always seem to fantasize about |
louis-t |
Feb-08-08 03:22 PM |
#101 |
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