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Response to Reply #171
207. But He's Wrong And I'm Right.
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  -Let's talk about RICH people L A Woman  Feb-24-07 05:37 PM   #0 
  - I Have No Problem With Anyone No Matter How Much Money They Have. Not My Business.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-24-07 05:44 PM   #1 
  - Rich can be quite relative  The Straight Story   Feb-24-07 06:33 PM   #27 
  - You said a mouthful  Atman   Feb-24-07 07:29 PM   #48 
  - how very odd. . .  Hamlette   Feb-24-07 11:56 PM   #85 
     - There were four of us girls in one bed  notadmblnd   Feb-25-07 03:54 PM   #173 
     - Same here..  jannyk   Feb-25-07 05:22 PM   #184 
  - What about the neighbor who is suffering?  Xenotime   Feb-25-07 11:20 AM   #125 
     - I don't think anyone deserves to suffer (except maybe...bush and crew) (nt)  The Straight Story   Feb-25-07 11:22 AM   #126 
     - Doesn't it depend on why they are not prospering?  hack89   Feb-25-07 05:32 PM   #190 
        - But WHY did they make a bad choice?  lastliberalintexas   Feb-26-07 12:48 PM   #214 
  - I just lose respect intellectually for people who need to horde money to be happy.  Dude_CalmDown   Feb-24-07 11:33 PM   #80 
  - You Shouldn't. It Isn't Any Of Your Business. It Also Isn't Your Right To Dictate To Others What  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-24-07 11:53 PM   #84 
  - where did he say anything about dictating anything  fishwax   Feb-25-07 12:24 AM   #89 
  - Huge Difference.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-25-07 01:30 PM   #148 
     - as much as I appreciate your willingness to offer your wisdom  fishwax   Feb-25-07 03:45 PM   #171 
        - But He's Wrong And I'm Right.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-25-07 08:12 PM   #207 
  - LOL  marions ghost   Feb-25-07 07:43 AM   #107 
  - You are wrong on so many levels. We are all a part of a global community.  Boogie   Feb-25-07 09:56 AM   #113 
  - No I'm Not. You Just Lack The Level Of Understanding Necessary To Realize I'm Right.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-25-07 01:17 PM   #144 
  - Haha! :"I'm right because I say that I'm right."  Boogie   Feb-25-07 02:05 PM   #154 
     - Nope.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-25-07 08:14 PM   #208 
  - King George III  Thothmes   Feb-28-07 09:29 AM   #218 
  - It is if you believe they have received their "ill gotten gains"  dogday   Feb-25-07 10:50 AM   #119 
     - Not Talking About Whether They Shit On Other People. That Wasn't A Parameter.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-25-07 01:22 PM   #145 
        - I was talking about how Rich will deprive the poor  dogday   Feb-26-07 07:39 AM   #211 
  - It may have nothing to do with "happy" but rather a feeling of safety  barb162   Feb-25-07 12:28 AM   #90 
  - Well, there's a HUGE difference between "hording money  Common Sense Party   Feb-25-07 02:11 AM   #98 
  - On the surface I agree with you  koopie57   Feb-25-07 07:32 AM   #106 
  - What's the difference between rich and wealthy?  Xenotime   Feb-25-07 11:16 AM   #123 
  - Who Gives A Shit?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-25-07 01:33 PM   #149 
  - I agree. I do think we ALL have an obligation to give back, to  JerseygirlCT   Feb-25-07 11:33 AM   #130 
  - She can do whatever she likes with her money, all I ask is she pays her taxes  Nimrod2005   Feb-24-07 05:44 PM   #2 
  - and that the tax rates be fair  Bill McBlueState   Feb-24-07 05:46 PM   #3 
     - My personal opinion is that taxes do not go over 40%.  Nimrod2005   Feb-24-07 05:47 PM   #6 
     - where do you get that number?  Bill McBlueState   Feb-24-07 06:16 PM   #21 
        - Just my perosnal experiences with taxes and other economic issues  Nimrod2005   Feb-25-07 08:01 AM   #108 
           - my qualm is that many of those people at the top  hfojvt   Feb-25-07 11:58 AM   #133 
     - Exactly. Businesses too. These trillions of dollars we spend on defense  Winebrat   Feb-24-07 05:57 PM   #15 
     - Define "fair." A few decades back, the top marginal tax rate was  Common Sense Party   Feb-25-07 02:13 AM   #99 
  - A rich person could be one who loves life .  blues90   Feb-24-07 05:46 PM   #4 
  - Most people don't define "rich" very well.  Warpy   Feb-24-07 05:46 PM   #5 
  - Well, It's Definitely Subjective.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-24-07 05:51 PM   #9 
  - $166,000 = Top Five Percent  sandnsea   Feb-24-07 05:55 PM   #13 
  - These threads always amuse me  Karenina   Feb-24-07 06:29 PM   #25 
     - Then again, professional blondes have a salary...just a very big one.  HappyWeasel   Feb-24-07 06:37 PM   #29 
     - That makes no sense  Nederland   Feb-24-07 09:40 PM   #58 
     - Elton is NOT dependent on a salary.  Karenina   Feb-25-07 07:19 AM   #105 
        - Missing the Point  Nederland   Feb-25-07 09:27 AM   #111 
           - And you seem to miss mine. Two words:  Karenina   Feb-25-07 09:58 AM   #114 
              - You completely lost me  Nederland   Feb-25-07 10:25 AM   #117 
                 - The only silly thing  Karenina   Feb-25-07 11:15 AM   #122 
                    - Nice try  Nederland   Feb-26-07 12:15 PM   #212 
                       - H?  Karenina   Feb-26-07 02:54 PM   #215 
     - Winner winner chicken dinner.  JacksonWest   Feb-25-07 11:08 AM   #121 
     - Agree completely.  smirkymonkey   Feb-25-07 09:19 PM   #209 
  - barely middle class  hfojvt   Feb-25-07 12:14 PM   #137 
  - I'd like to see society take care of its obligations. Infrastructure, a SPHC system  impeachdubya   Feb-24-07 05:48 PM   #7 
  - AN interesting Query, LA Woman. First, I don't think that Oprah  jhrobbins   Feb-24-07 05:49 PM   #8 
  - Thinking that there will always be poor people among us is the biggest  Lars39   Feb-24-07 05:52 PM   #10 
  - Perhaps, but I also don't find that supposition and then charity  jhrobbins   Feb-24-07 05:58 PM   #16 
  - There always will be.  cyborg_jim   Feb-24-07 06:01 PM   #17 
  - So do I.  blonndee   Feb-24-07 09:59 PM   #62 
  - This might sound like a stupid interjection to some  rockymountaindem   Feb-24-07 10:56 PM   #75 
  - "Jesus did say that there would be poor always."  Bill McBlueState   Feb-24-07 06:15 PM   #20 
  - That statement has been taken out of context more often than any other  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-24-07 06:30 PM   #26 
     - good, I was hoping someone could provide the context  Bill McBlueState   Feb-24-07 06:43 PM   #31 
     - Actually, it was a bit more pointed than that...  jberryhill   Feb-27-07 11:22 PM   #216 
  - See my post #26  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-24-07 06:48 PM   #34 
  - This will be unpopular...  Bronyraurus   Feb-24-07 05:52 PM   #11 
  - How do you become a billionaire honestly?  jilln   Feb-24-07 06:54 PM   #37 
  - Indeed  GreenPartyVoter   Feb-24-07 06:58 PM   #39 
  - exactly. eom  NotGivingUp   Feb-24-07 07:21 PM   #42 
  - "Off the backs of workers"  Bronyraurus   Feb-24-07 07:48 PM   #52 
  - I meant more by exploitation  jilln   Feb-24-07 09:33 PM   #57 
  - Anything that's not illegal is fine with me  Bronyraurus   Feb-24-07 10:08 PM   #64 
  - a race to the bottom, eh?  jilln   Feb-25-07 02:02 PM   #153 
     - Yes.  Bronyraurus   Feb-25-07 03:18 PM   #164 
        - Then there's not much to say to that, except it's sad  jilln   Feb-25-07 05:27 PM   #186 
  - IMO, there should be standards and sweatshops breach ethical guidelines  Hippo_Tron   Feb-25-07 03:05 PM   #159 
  - Geez! Why didn't you just say...  mitchum   Feb-24-07 10:06 PM   #63 
  - What do you mean?  Bronyraurus   Feb-24-07 10:09 PM   #65 
     - Oh, I think you know what I mean...  mitchum   Feb-24-07 10:12 PM   #67 
        - Buddy, I have no idea.  Bronyraurus   Feb-24-07 10:18 PM   #70 
           - That's the traditional way the talking point is phrased  mitchum   Feb-24-07 10:24 PM   #72 
              - What are you yammering about?  Bronyraurus   Feb-24-07 10:57 PM   #76 
                 - Oh, I don't think I'm the one with my head up someone's butt  mitchum   Feb-24-07 11:46 PM   #82 
                    - Well you're a funny man  Bronyraurus   Feb-24-07 11:49 PM   #83 
  - There is a huge difference between employing people, giving the well paying jobs  MadHound   Feb-25-07 11:45 AM   #131 
  - I doubt much of what you've written  Bronyraurus   Feb-25-07 02:53 PM   #155 
     - Sure, I've got all of history to back my claims up  MadHound   Feb-25-07 03:11 PM   #161 
        - I've read Zinn  Bronyraurus   Feb-25-07 03:22 PM   #165 
           - Like I said, I'm not going to spoon feed this to you, you've got to get up off your ass  MadHound   Feb-25-07 03:33 PM   #167 
              - You're talking about 19th century robber barons  Bronyraurus   Feb-25-07 03:38 PM   #168 
                 - LOL, rather quick on the trigger there slick  MadHound   Feb-25-07 04:57 PM   #179 
                    - Perhaps I'll just defeat you again!  Bronyraurus   Feb-25-07 05:30 PM   #188 
                       - Wow, just Wow  MadHound   Feb-25-07 06:30 PM   #196 
  - I disagree  cyborg_jim   Feb-25-07 12:05 PM   #136 
     - Hey, I can dig IBM too  Bronyraurus   Feb-25-07 02:55 PM   #156 
        - That's the entire point  cyborg_jim   Feb-25-07 04:43 PM   #177 
           - I didn't imply any such proportional relationship  Bronyraurus   Feb-25-07 05:06 PM   #180 
              - Not really  cyborg_jim   Feb-25-07 05:16 PM   #183 
                 - If MS is such a monopoly  Bronyraurus   Feb-25-07 05:32 PM   #189 
                    - That does not prevent MS from being a monopoly  cyborg_jim   Feb-25-07 06:05 PM   #192 
                       - Sure, but there are plenty of Apple users  Bronyraurus   Feb-25-07 06:09 PM   #193 
                          - Yes the number of Apple users is significantly greater than zero  cyborg_jim   Feb-25-07 07:07 PM   #205 
  - By coercing no one  Nederland   Feb-24-07 09:44 PM   #59 
     - Starvation, homelessness.... that's coercion.  Porcupine   Feb-25-07 03:32 AM   #100 
        - Wrong  Nederland   Feb-25-07 10:23 AM   #116 
        - No  Bronyraurus   Feb-25-07 02:55 PM   #157 
  - Agreed  RGBolen   Feb-24-07 07:23 PM   #45 
  - "Honestly" according to whom?  JanMichael   Feb-24-07 10:55 PM   #74 
     - I doubt that the playing ground is man-made  Bronyraurus   Feb-25-07 02:57 PM   #158 
  - I can only speak for myself and the way I try to live.  demgurl   Feb-24-07 05:53 PM   #12 
  - I don't care what they do with their money  sandnsea   Feb-24-07 05:56 PM   #14 
  - If there is resentment  Prophet 451   Feb-24-07 06:01 PM   #18 
  - This is probably the 'wrong' point of view...  badgerpup   Feb-24-07 06:11 PM   #19 
  - Going to get a beating for this  Pavulon   Feb-24-07 06:17 PM   #22 
  - Legal is not the same as moral  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-24-07 06:35 PM   # 
  - "as long as they act within the laws of the United States"  Ron_Green   Feb-25-07 12:45 AM   #95 
  - Many rich Americans actually are very thrifty  mainer   Feb-24-07 06:22 PM   #23 
  - Rich people suck. They're REALLY "gay" and gay as in not homosexual, but just "gay".  HappyWeasel   Feb-24-07 06:35 PM   #28 
  - What the hell are you talking about?  Bronyraurus   Feb-24-07 07:41 PM   #51 
  - oh nevermind....  HappyWeasel   Feb-25-07 12:24 AM   #88 
  - Rich people are happy?  Nederland   Feb-25-07 10:44 AM   #118 
  - Depends on where you live.  JDPriestly   Feb-25-07 11:17 AM   #124 
  - this ignores a key fact:  Bill McBlueState   Feb-24-07 06:54 PM   #38 
  - That's not true  Bronyraurus   Feb-24-07 07:40 PM   #50 
     - Bullshit Buddy Most Wealth Is Inherited  Binka   Feb-25-07 04:15 AM   #104 
     - What in God's name for?  Bronyraurus   Feb-25-07 12:04 PM   #135 
     - That's not true  Bronyraurus   Feb-25-07 12:38 PM   #139 
     - You mean like Richard Riordan, wealthy ex-mayor of Los Angeles  JDPriestly   Feb-25-07 11:26 AM   #128 
        - Check it out  Bronyraurus   Feb-25-07 12:37 PM   #138 
           - These people do not earn a million a year.  JDPriestly   Feb-25-07 01:27 PM   #147 
              - His wife is a Kennedy. Not a lot of those.  Bronyraurus   Feb-25-07 01:45 PM   #150 
                 - And my point is that 80% of people earning $250,000  JDPriestly   Feb-25-07 03:52 PM   #172 
                    - I think we generally agree  Bronyraurus   Feb-25-07 04:11 PM   #175 
  - I know a few people like that  barb162   Feb-25-07 12:33 AM   #92 
  - I have not read that book  Nikia   Feb-25-07 10:17 AM   #115 
  - I typically find a hostility  BoneDaddy   Feb-24-07 06:24 PM   #24 
  - Yeah, but it is really testing when someone has it so easy...  HappyWeasel   Feb-24-07 06:38 PM   #30 
     - I think we make assumptions  BoneDaddy   Feb-24-07 07:59 PM   #54 
        - Well, I guess wealth can be made from being at the right place at the right time and doing the right  HappyWeasel   Feb-25-07 12:36 AM   #94 
  - When I grew up in a small town  Nikia   Feb-24-07 06:44 PM   #32 
  - In Wisconsin?  redacted   Feb-24-07 07:28 PM   #47 
     - Actually, I grew up in Ohio  Nikia   Feb-25-07 09:05 AM   #110 
  - If a person can become rich the honest way  Indy_Dem_Defender   Feb-24-07 06:45 PM   #33 
  - We have a 'broken' economic system.  TahitiNut   Feb-24-07 06:51 PM   #35 
  - I don't disagree in principle but absolute economic equality is neither possible or desirable  karlrschneider   Feb-24-07 09:55 PM   #61 
     - Who advocated "absolute economic equality"??  TahitiNut   Feb-24-07 10:21 PM   #71 
        - Corruption has passed banal and become desirable, it seems.  karlrschneider   Feb-24-07 10:50 PM   #73 
        - I think it's a "Mr. Goodwrench" condition.  TahitiNut   Feb-24-07 11:04 PM   #77 
           - Indeed. Procrastinating has progressed from a personal vice to a national virtue.  karlrschneider   Feb-24-07 11:23 PM   #79 
              - My stepbrother lives in Tulsa, in the shadow of Oral Roberts.  TahitiNut   Feb-24-07 11:58 PM   #86 
                 - Don't get me started on Oral Roberts. I grew up living a block from him,  karlrschneider   Feb-25-07 10:57 AM   #120 
                 - Then came GOP de-regulation and  InkAddict   Feb-25-07 04:01 PM   #174 
        - That's what I stumble on, the inequity of gatekeepers...  WHAT   Feb-25-07 12:02 AM   #87 
  - One thing I think gets overlooked  Lurking Dem   Feb-24-07 06:53 PM   #36 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-24-07 06:59 PM   #40 
  - If people become rich without violating others' rights and pay a fair tax rate, I'm not  mondo joe   Feb-24-07 07:20 PM   #41 
  - fantastic responses...  L A Woman   Feb-24-07 07:22 PM   #43 
  - Beverly Hills? Brentwood? Orange County?  redacted   Feb-24-07 07:27 PM   #46 
     - Calabasas, actually...  L A Woman   Feb-24-07 07:31 PM   #49 
        - We just banned smoking here in Sonoma County too  redacted   Feb-25-07 03:34 AM   #101 
  - Balzac  cgrindley   Feb-24-07 07:22 PM   #44 
  - I'm with you and Honore, my friend  mitchum   Feb-24-07 10:11 PM   #66 
  - I don't think the rich are obligated  BlackVelvet04   Feb-24-07 07:54 PM   #53 
  - Personally, if I were rich, one of the joys would be influencing issues I care about,  mondo joe   Feb-24-07 08:01 PM   #55 
     - I agree.  BlackVelvet04   Feb-24-07 09:22 PM   #56 
  - Jealosy/inferiority of course - Just like Nietzsche said...  BlooInBloo   Feb-24-07 09:45 PM   #60 
  - I believe Alice Rosenbaum also said the same thing...  mitchum   Feb-24-07 10:17 PM   #69 
  - Not familiar with her - I'm only familiar with Genealogy because I had to teach it....  BlooInBloo   Feb-24-07 11:19 PM   #78 
     - She was a wretched "philosopher"...  mitchum   Feb-24-07 11:43 PM   #81 
        - Ah - pen name - gotcha!  BlooInBloo   Feb-25-07 12:34 AM   #93 
  - Well....yeah.  HappyWeasel   Feb-25-07 12:32 AM   #91 
  - Why aren't you offering an opinion?  Truthiness Inspector   Feb-24-07 10:12 PM   #68 
  - I personally think that the wealthy should be heavily taxed  hogwyld   Feb-25-07 01:31 AM   #96 
  - agreed  Xenotime   Feb-25-07 12:41 PM   #140 
  - I'm not impressed with Oprah's philanthropy  lwfern   Feb-25-07 01:58 AM   #97 
  - It's immoral for her to pay people less than she earns?????  mondo joe   Feb-25-07 03:11 PM   #160 
  - I used the word "exploiting" (n/t)  lwfern   Feb-25-07 03:15 PM   #162 
     - You used the word "moral". Oprah made her fortune by investing in her own  mondo joe   Feb-25-07 03:17 PM   #163 
        - Yes, I did use the word moral, you're right.  lwfern   Feb-25-07 03:43 PM   #170 
           - So if you make $30 an hour that's what you have to pay everyone?  mondo joe   Feb-25-07 04:32 PM   #176 
              - Nope, not quite.  lwfern   Feb-25-07 04:47 PM   #178 
                 - If you own a business though, that equality might be hard to practice  Nikia   Feb-25-07 05:09 PM   #181 
                 - I don't know how you do all that without ever taking into account relative  mondo joe   Feb-25-07 05:11 PM   #182 
                    - "service or product"  lwfern   Feb-25-07 05:25 PM   #185 
                       - Nothing dehumanizing about it. I provide a service or product in exchange for money.  mondo joe   Feb-25-07 05:43 PM   #191 
                          - How does it have less value?  lwfern   Feb-25-07 06:11 PM   #194 
                             - Its comparative advantage  gravity   Feb-25-07 06:22 PM   #195 
                             - And again, it's about thhe value of the service or product - not of the person.  mondo joe   Feb-25-07 06:39 PM   #198 
                             - Thats what you get paid for  gravity   Feb-25-07 06:52 PM   #202 
                                - Precisely. I don't know how referring to products or services could be dehumanizing -  mondo joe   Feb-25-07 06:55 PM   #203 
                             - I NOTICE  lwfern   Feb-25-07 06:44 PM   #200 
                                - I'm willing to talk about Oprah.  mondo joe   Feb-25-07 06:45 PM   #201 
                                   - Use some critical thinking - you don't need me to figure this out for you (nt)  lwfern   Feb-25-07 07:46 PM   #206 
                                      - It's your charge - you back it up. NT  mondo joe   Feb-25-07 11:56 PM   #210 
                             - Simple: supply and demand.  mondo joe   Feb-25-07 06:34 PM   #197 
  - Exactly Right!  demrabble   Feb-25-07 06:43 PM   #199 
  - The rich maintain their wealth by force.  Porcupine   Feb-25-07 03:45 AM   #102 
  - yes I am a socialist  BayCityProgressive   Feb-25-07 04:04 AM   #103 
  - How much money does socialism say Oprah can have before it's wrong?  mondo joe   Feb-25-07 03:22 PM   #166 
  - How do the "rich" make sure that people get what they need?  Nikia   Feb-25-07 09:47 AM   #112 
  - Redistribute the wealth now or be a slave to it forever.  MGD   Feb-25-07 08:07 AM   #109 
  - Someone asked me once to define rich. I said its anybody who  B Calm   Feb-25-07 11:23 AM   #127 
  - Chris Rock defined it quite simply: Shaq is rich...  MindPilot   Feb-25-07 11:29 AM   #129 
  - I have nothing against some people being rich; and am quite aware that I'm rich compared with most  LeftishBrit   Feb-25-07 11:56 AM   #132 
  - If anyone advocated stranding the climbers and leaving them to die, I would be offended  WorldResident   Feb-25-07 11:59 AM   #134 
  - I can't believe the whole mountain climbers = rich association  WindRavenX   Feb-25-07 12:47 PM   #141 
  - It is NOT OK  demrabble   Feb-25-07 12:54 PM   #142 
  - There are greedy rich people and greedy poor people  gravity   Feb-25-07 01:10 PM   #143 
  - "Greedy" Poor People??  demrabble   Feb-25-07 01:22 PM   #146 
     - Yes  gravity   Feb-25-07 01:51 PM   #152 
  - real question - how did she get that billion dollars? how messed up are we as a society that  HardRocker05   Feb-25-07 01:49 PM   #151 
  - I'm just glad I will never have to search for a  antonialee839   Feb-25-07 03:43 PM   #169 
  - That is a great question.  Fran Kubelik   Feb-25-07 05:29 PM   #187 
  - I think what matters is having an infrastructure than provides for the minimal needs  mondo joe   Feb-25-07 07:05 PM   #204 
  - I understand they're very tasty and are best served  blindpig   Feb-26-07 12:29 PM   #213 
  - Bill Gates has done more for Africa than I ever will  jberryhill   Feb-27-07 11:24 PM   #217 
  - How you "feel" about the uber wealthy isn't terribly  sadiesworld   Feb-28-07 10:13 AM   #219 
  - they havve a hard time gettin in to heaven  mdmc   Mar-03-07 01:17 PM   #220 
 

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