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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:34 AM
Response to Reply #171
174. You sure about that?
with modern health care we can keep a patient with COPD kicking around for a decade or two.

His \ her care is more expensive than that of a healthy non-smoker, even near end stage. Why? COPD is chronic, so is Emphysema.

Oh well... there are days I am amazed by DU
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  -Note to smokers nadinbrzezinski  Feb-04-08 01:18 PM   #0 
  - .  wtmusic   Feb-04-08 01:24 PM   #1 
  - k r  higher class   Feb-04-08 01:24 PM   #2 
  - thanks for this post!  light catcher   Feb-04-08 01:31 PM   #3 
  - I smoke additive-free American Spirits. Hope that helps.  High Plains   Feb-04-08 01:31 PM   #4 
  - Me too!  iris5426   Feb-04-08 01:45 PM   #12 
  - As do I  Oeditpus Rex   Feb-04-08 01:53 PM   #17 
  - Darn. Though you wrote "addictive free".  elehhhhna   Feb-04-08 03:11 PM   #56 
  - Question  teacher gal   Feb-05-08 02:07 AM   #187 
  - As I look at my life, I think cigarettes have diminished my living. At a certain  higher class   Feb-04-08 01:31 PM   #5 
  - A question...  americanstranger   Feb-04-08 01:31 PM   #6 
  - In the part of NC  citizen_jane   Feb-04-08 01:44 PM   #11 
  - That, I can understand.  americanstranger   Feb-04-08 01:47 PM   #15 
     - Oh it is strong for sure!  citizen_jane   Feb-04-08 02:30 PM   #32 
        - Wow. that'll stop legislation!  americanstranger   Feb-04-08 02:32 PM   #35 
           - I agree.  citizen_jane   Feb-04-08 02:36 PM   #37 
           - I think it'll be...  Satbod Elder   Feb-04-08 04:55 PM   #89 
           - Nope - it'll be SOUTH Carolina  aphopkin   Feb-04-08 03:44 PM   #62 
  - Anyone?  americanstranger   Feb-04-08 01:45 PM   #13 
  - Lots. Map and Venn Diagram, plus Schedule here...  mcscajun   Feb-04-08 01:51 PM   #16 
  - Thanks for that!  americanstranger   Feb-04-08 01:56 PM   #19 
  - I think  Imagine In Texas   Feb-04-08 01:59 PM   #23 
  - Check out the heartland...  High Plains   Feb-04-08 02:53 PM   #46 
  - Except for Philly smoking is still allowed in Pennsylvania  RamboLiberal   Feb-04-08 03:36 PM   #60 
  - I want you to be highly taxed....Gee thanks O Progressive one....  catnhatnh   Feb-04-08 01:35 PM   #7 
  - And use the taxes to pay for problems associated with the drug.  uppityperson   Feb-04-08 01:41 PM   #9 
  - Taxes will PAY for your healthcare and any associated healthcare  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 03:04 PM   #52 
     - Fine, but why should my cig taxes fund the general fund?  High Plains   Feb-04-08 03:50 PM   #66 
     - That is a whole different matter, but to SCHIP  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 04:23 PM   #79 
        - Now that statement is a crock  Mojorabbit   Feb-05-08 01:17 AM   #181 
           - Amazing, so you are telling that second hand smoke  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-08 01:43 AM   #185 
              - No I am not saying that and I think you know it  Mojorabbit   Feb-05-08 02:07 AM   #186 
                 - In an ideal world, try to get that through republcians  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-08 10:26 AM   #191 
     - The question is why you so readily pick regressive taxes.....  catnhatnh   Feb-04-08 06:15 PM   #101 
        - Ye are talking of policy  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 08:53 PM   #123 
  - Well, currently tobacco is 'highly' taxed. Much higher rates than alcohol. Now I have a question  sinkingfeeling   Feb-04-08 01:38 PM   #8 
  - You will never get a an intelligent response to that question  bamalib   Feb-04-08 02:49 PM   #41 
  - Because of your hired help and the effects of second hand smoke  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 03:04 PM   #53 
     - Why? I would advise those applying for the jobs that it was a smoking establishment and since about  sinkingfeeling   Feb-04-08 03:46 PM   #64 
        - I gave you the health reason  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 04:12 PM   #75 
           - Sure those "public health studies" which are financed by agenda driven groups  bamalib   Feb-04-08 06:52 PM   #108 
              - I did not know that those studies done by the Frammingham Institute  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 08:40 PM   #115 
                 - You're welcome  bamalib   Feb-05-08 05:06 PM   #195 
  - My name is JQC and I'm a nicotine addict...  John Q. Citizen   Feb-04-08 01:44 PM   #10 
  - one quibble  northzax   Feb-04-08 02:28 PM   #31 
     - PA is a long way from MI  vanboggie   Feb-04-08 03:53 PM   #68 
        - come on, at a thousand bucks a day  northzax   Feb-04-08 04:05 PM   #73 
        - I KNOW it is not easy to quit  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 04:25 PM   #80 
           - Makes way too much sense  vanboggie   Feb-04-08 04:55 PM   #90 
  - Note to nadin  ixion   Feb-04-08 01:46 PM   #14 
  - Note to you... your second hand smoke  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 03:06 PM   #54 
     - It won't if you don't fucking GO IN THERE  karlrschneider   Feb-04-08 03:59 PM   #70 
        - Tell me oh wise one how do I avoid the second hand smoke  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 04:30 PM   #82 
           - Your apartment?  proud2Blib   Feb-04-08 05:05 PM   #94 
           - Right...  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 06:42 PM   #103 
           - Move  karlrschneider   Feb-04-08 06:16 PM   #102 
              - Expected  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 06:43 PM   #104 
              - Did you notice how he has no problem telling others where they can/can't smoke  kgfnally   Feb-04-08 08:48 PM   #118 
                 - We have  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 08:49 PM   #119 
                    - Why, yes, I do have another question. Even though my post WASN'T directed at you.  kgfnally   Feb-04-08 08:53 PM   #122 
                       - Sorry if you feel it is a screed  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 08:55 PM   #124 
                          - It's not that I feel it's a screed  kgfnally   Feb-04-08 09:02 PM   #128 
                             - Ok so going to a hospital is preaching?  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 09:19 PM   #130 
                                - How did we get from  kgfnally   Feb-04-08 09:21 PM   #131 
                                - Cigarette smoke does that to more than just me  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 09:57 PM   #135 
                                - Not for nothing, but he has a valid point.  americanstranger   Feb-04-08 09:25 PM   #132 
                                   - Look we told him, he gets out, or rather I take him out  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 09:56 PM   #134 
                                      - That is a rough situation.  americanstranger   Feb-04-08 10:26 PM   #141 
                                         - Well debating whether to go to the doc, and get a second course of steroids  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 10:41 PM   #145 
  - I've been told I live in a "police state" (California) because smokers have to go outside to smoke.  impeachdubya   Feb-04-08 01:56 PM   #18 
  - I'm a smoker, and I have no problem with it.  americanstranger   Feb-04-08 01:59 PM   #24 
  - I'm with you, there. I would make exceptions for playgrounds where a bunch of 3 yr olds are playing  impeachdubya   Feb-04-08 02:03 PM   #25 
     - I don't smoke around kids anyway.  americanstranger   Feb-04-08 02:05 PM   #26 
        - No doubt. I think probably 90-95% of smokers get it.  impeachdubya   Feb-04-08 02:26 PM   #30 
        - Thanks for recognizing that.  americanstranger   Feb-04-08 02:30 PM   #34 
        - Thanks, my nephews thank you  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 04:31 PM   #83 
  - Cigarette smokers have fewer restrictions placed on us...  LanternWaste   Feb-04-08 02:44 PM   #40 
  - when I was growing up I used to see people smoking in grocery  roguevalley   Feb-04-08 02:56 PM   #49 
     - I remember those days,  StarryNite   Feb-04-08 03:56 PM   #69 
     - I grew up in the midwest, riding around in smoke-filled cars where any request to roll the window  impeachdubya   Feb-04-08 04:34 PM   #85 
     - I hear you, friend. What a mess this habit has caused.  roguevalley   Feb-04-08 04:39 PM   #86 
     - I grew up in the southwest.  StarryNite   Feb-04-08 05:46 PM   #98 
     - Hot butts on the floor of Sears, smoking in clothing stores, hardware stores, restaurants...  Hekate   Feb-04-08 09:52 PM   #133 
        - My sympathy as well and I agree there is a special circle of hell  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 10:04 PM   #136 
  - Maybe you need to move. I don't know where you could be  snappyturtle   Feb-04-08 01:56 PM   #20 
  - Here's an interesting story about a woman who had her husband chain her to a radiator to quit.  John Q. Citizen   Feb-04-08 01:57 PM   #21 
  - i agree with you, and i am a smoker  noiretblu   Feb-04-08 01:58 PM   #22 
  - CHENTIX IS WORKING FOR ME..  YEBBA   Feb-04-08 02:08 PM   #27 
  - Good for you...  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 04:27 PM   #81 
  - It will work, Yebba!  vanboggie   Feb-04-08 04:58 PM   #91 
  - And just for everyones info; here is the list of the chemicals in a cigarette and it's smoke...  Javaman   Feb-04-08 02:20 PM   #28 
  - Restaurants could get really empty  vanboggie   Feb-04-08 02:25 PM   #29 
  - First of all, that law is "dead on arrival". Secondly, laws re: smoking in restaurants in CA  impeachdubya   Feb-04-08 02:30 PM   #33 
  - I didn't mind smoking outside away from doors  vanboggie   Feb-04-08 02:40 PM   #39 
  - I repeat: I'm not at all interested in banning cigarettes.  impeachdubya   Feb-04-08 03:13 PM   #57 
  - Prior to smoking bans being passed,  kgfnally   Feb-04-08 02:52 PM   #45 
     - I don't remember that at all.  LanternWaste   Feb-04-08 03:01 PM   #51 
     - I remember my father-in-law saying  vanboggie   Feb-04-08 03:18 PM   #58 
  - Thanks for posting this  FloridaJudy   Feb-04-08 02:57 PM   #50 
     - Be a compassionate non-smoker like me  vanboggie   Feb-04-08 03:39 PM   #61 
     - I live in a state where it is not permitted  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 04:10 PM   #74 
        - I grew up on a smoking household  vanboggie   Feb-04-08 05:16 PM   #96 
           - Good for you on the stopping part  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 09:05 PM   #129 
              - Yep, I was always aware of the danger  vanboggie   Feb-04-08 10:25 PM   #140 
  - Sorry to read you have that severe  ScreamingWhisper   Feb-04-08 02:35 PM   #36 
  - Do cigarettes transport rolling stock across the country?  LanternWaste   Feb-04-08 02:50 PM   #42 
  - I did always find smokers to be nicer, more tolerant people  vanboggie   Feb-04-08 02:51 PM   #44 
  - Thanks! n/t  ScreamingWhisper   Feb-04-08 03:10 PM   #55 
  - I've found that that's true  FloridaJudy   Feb-04-08 04:12 PM   #76 
  - Didn't know city transit came through my living room  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 03:25 PM   #59 
  - Because  ScreamingWhisper   Feb-04-08 03:47 PM   #65 
  - You are making way, and I mean this WAAYYYYY too many assumptions  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 04:20 PM   #77 
     - I do go to bars, so what?  ScreamingWhisper   Feb-04-08 05:01 PM   #92 
        - Fair enough  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 08:48 PM   #117 
           - So you found that data or long term study yet?  ScreamingWhisper   Feb-05-08 11:43 AM   #193 
  - Fine, I won't smoke in your living room. Now stay out of my bar.  High Plains   Feb-04-08 03:51 PM   #67 
     - You stay on your side of the Darwin line and I'll stay on mine.  ScreamingWhisper   Feb-04-08 04:00 PM   #71 
     - Whoops! Sorry bout that!!!!!!!  ScreamingWhisper   Feb-04-08 04:02 PM   #72 
  - They will never be happy.  spacelady   Feb-04-08 11:24 PM   #159 
  - Hmm.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-04-08 02:37 PM   #38 
  - whew.. i thougtt u were addressing tokers...  crimsonblue   Feb-04-08 02:51 PM   #43 
  - LOL  vanboggie   Feb-04-08 03:46 PM   #63 
  - If you were alergic to peanuts?????  Dawggie   Feb-04-08 02:54 PM   #47 
  - As a former medic I call bullshit on your statement  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 04:22 PM   #78 
     - Unless your allergy is one that I have never heard of before  Dawggie   Feb-04-08 05:40 PM   #97 
        - HAVE YOU EVER been around an asthmatic in the midst of a bad attack?  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 08:51 PM   #120 
  - hmm i dunno about that  iamthebandfanman   Feb-04-08 02:54 PM   #48 
  - Trust me, denial is quite strong  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 04:32 PM   #84 
  - Hmmm  davidthegnome   Feb-04-08 04:41 PM   #87 
  - Nobody is telling you we need to ban anything  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 08:57 PM   #126 
  - Your concern is touching.  trof   Feb-04-08 04:45 PM   #88 
  - Your heart is in the right place but those who need your  Cleita   Feb-04-08 05:03 PM   #93 
  - I know that... this is part of the problem  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 06:44 PM   #105 
  - I don't want to smoke in your local restaurant, I want to smoke in my local bar.  Lilith Velkor   Feb-04-08 05:09 PM   #95 
  - I don't want to smoke anywhere around you  RainDog   Feb-04-08 06:07 PM   #99 
  - Two things  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 08:36 PM   #112 
     - right  RainDog   Feb-04-08 11:16 PM   #155 
        - Sorry to tell you this but the effects to YOUR lungs long term  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-08 12:30 AM   #172 
           - no  RainDog   Feb-05-08 12:49 AM   #176 
              - Again you might want to review the SCIENCE  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-08 01:03 AM   #178 
                 - and yet...have you posted any links to articles proving you science  ScreamingWhisper   Feb-05-08 11:55 AM   #194 
  - Are you adhering to DU rules?  eowyn_of_rohan   Feb-04-08 06:10 PM   #100 
  - The world got along fine before the anti-smoking sanctimonious hysteria.  Political Heretic   Feb-04-08 06:49 PM   #107 
     - That's ok, you have smokin' soul sister here  eowyn_of_rohan   Feb-04-08 07:47 PM   #110 
     - I have no beef with considerate smokers  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 08:38 PM   #114 
  - Where's edwards when we need him...Time to sue the Tobacco compainies.  ileus   Feb-04-08 06:46 PM   #106 
  - So now that cigarettes have been banned....  Kansas Wyatt   Feb-04-08 07:38 PM   #109 
  - Spitoons pittered out for the same basic reason.  cottonseed   Feb-04-08 07:55 PM   #111 
  - Cigarettes have not been banned  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 08:37 PM   #113 
  - I don't know about that  pipoman   Feb-04-08 08:47 PM   #116 
  - That might be a way to deal with it  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 08:52 PM   #121 
     - The same could be said for imposing detrimental taxing  pipoman   Feb-04-08 10:11 PM   #137 
        - Well in an ideal world, alas this is not one  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 10:33 PM   #142 
           - And which of these regressive  pipoman   Feb-04-08 10:53 PM   #148 
              - Fast food  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 11:06 PM   #151 
                 - I don't drink or smoke  pipoman   Feb-05-08 01:19 AM   #183 
                    - Policy wise, and yes we are talking here ideals not reality  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-08 01:34 AM   #184 
                       - So exactly what I am paying taxes for?  pipoman   Feb-05-08 07:04 AM   #189 
                          - Excuse me while I vomit  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-08 10:25 AM   #190 
  - It's already highly regulated  brook   Feb-04-08 08:55 PM   #125 
  - So you mean public health concerns are my responsibly and not Society's  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 08:59 PM   #127 
  - I smoke but I have no problem with restaurant bans.  MrSlayer   Feb-04-08 10:17 PM   #138 
  - It is an addiction, period  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 10:40 PM   #144 
     - I didn't deny that it was.  MrSlayer   Feb-04-08 11:43 PM   #165 
  - I have been both a smoker and a non-smoker...  salin   Feb-04-08 10:20 PM   #139 
  - I agree with you, a university is going a tad far if they ban it on  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 10:39 PM   #143 
  - You know, when I read these diatribes for the umpteenth time,  spacelady   Feb-04-08 10:49 PM   #146 
  - And when I read these attitudes from people who are addicted to a substance  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 10:50 PM   #147 
     - Yawn.  spacelady   Feb-04-08 10:57 PM   #149 
        - Classic  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 11:06 PM   #152 
           - Of course I was serious about saving your breath - blow it into  spacelady   Feb-04-08 11:27 PM   #162 
              - You forgot the sarcasm  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 11:34 PM   #163 
                 - Yes, I was ribbing you, but smokers for the most part have made  spacelady   Feb-04-08 11:43 PM   #166 
                    - Not asking you to quit  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-08 12:11 AM   #168 
                       - Ok, I did read it again, and seriously, how am I going to know  spacelady   Feb-05-08 12:33 AM   #173 
                          - If you are sensitive to ammonia, I'd think of quitting, one by-product of the smoke  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-08 12:42 AM   #175 
                             - Avoid enclosed spaces where smoking is allowed, problem solved.  spacelady   Feb-05-08 01:06 AM   #179 
                                - How do I avoid my home? Good grief  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-08 01:09 AM   #180 
  - I think this sums up your tirade:  The Straight Story   Feb-04-08 11:04 PM   #150 
  - As I said above, public health (and studies) are NOT a choice  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 11:07 PM   #153 
     - I don't care if it is upthread - deny choice to people is still wrong IMHO  The Straight Story   Feb-04-08 11:11 PM   #154 
        - Actually the list of poisons is too damn close  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 11:16 PM   #156 
           - Controlling people....  The Straight Story   Feb-04-08 11:20 PM   #158 
              - What about the workers at that bar?  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 11:27 PM   #160 
                 - A few things about that  The Straight Story   Feb-04-08 11:37 PM   #164 
                    - In a free society we also have the commons  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-08 12:09 AM   #167 
                       - Naw  The Straight Story   Feb-05-08 12:12 AM   #169 
                          - GD-P a place to stay away for a good while  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-08 12:15 AM   #170 
  - I quit smoking on Feb 8th of last year... I am glad to have thrown off those shackles...  mikelewis   Feb-04-08 11:20 PM   #157 
  - Good for you I congratulate you  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-04-08 11:27 PM   #161 
  - obese and/or smokers= less health care costs  RainDog   Feb-05-08 12:30 AM   #171 
  - You sure about that?  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-08 12:34 AM   #174 
     - did you actually read the link?  RainDog   Feb-05-08 12:56 AM   #177 
        - Yes I did  nadinbrzezinski   Feb-05-08 01:17 AM   #182 
  - i have oodles of friends and family w/ asthma. bring your inhaler, avoid problem areas.  NuttyFluffers   Feb-05-08 02:56 AM   #188 
  - Rebuttal  DadOf2LittleAngels   Feb-05-08 10:59 AM   #192 
 

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