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cigarettes have the same effect as pcbs that were dumped at sites that made refriges, etc .Cigarettes have the same impact as a superfund site from some major manufacturer who (at least in my area) closed up shop and ran rather than deal with the issue.
See, this is the sort of crap that really disgusts me. Why do you even try to equate the two?????
jesus, you non-smokers will just not give it up, will you? Have I accepted Jesus Christ as my personal savior and, more importantly, have I admitted I smoke cigarettes? the whole point is that I don't want to be around people like you, so you had no need to reiterate what you said. get it? I've never been a rude smoker. I've gone out of my way to respect the rights of non-smokers. The hostility exhibited on this site... is UNWARRANTED for probably most of the people here. I honestly do not know one person who smokes who would try to annoy others with smoke, or blow smoke toward them or try to be around non-smokers (when, obviously, ppl are outside. Inside smoking has not been a part of anyone's experience here for years.
my point (also on the thread I started and stopped) is that non-smokers do not want to give smokers a choice, i.e. a smokers only bar, where no one is forced to work there because there are tons of non-smoking bizzes. But such a bar is not allowed in non-smoking cities because... again, why is any other business person is allowed to open a business that caters to other particular legal items, but not cigarettes?
safety regs for bizzes do not pass muster as an excuse in a bar, for instance, which exists to be a bar for smokers. because, as I again noted, there are plenty of jobs that deal with hazardous chemicals and people choose to work in those jobs, whether they are researchers at the CDC or off-shore oil riggers. why is It okay to force your pov on others if it involves a smoker's-only facility, but you wouldn't dare display that same level of interference in those researchers work, for instance, or try to regulate their workplaces due to possible exposure to hazardous chemicals.
see the hypocrisy is really annoying. especially when the argument is about others' health and safety when it in no way impinges upon you - when others can choose where to work. where non-smokers have tons of options of places to go for an evening out, but not one such establishment should be allowed for smokers.
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nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 01:18 PM |
#0 |
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wtmusic |
Feb-04-08 01:24 PM |
#1 |
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k r |
higher class |
Feb-04-08 01:24 PM |
#2 |
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thanks for this post! |
light catcher |
Feb-04-08 01:31 PM |
#3 |
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I smoke additive-free American Spirits. Hope that helps. |
High Plains |
Feb-04-08 01:31 PM |
#4 |
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Me too! |
iris5426 |
Feb-04-08 01:45 PM |
#12 |
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As do I |
Oeditpus Rex |
Feb-04-08 01:53 PM |
#17 |
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Darn. Though you wrote "addictive free". |
elehhhhna |
Feb-04-08 03:11 PM |
#56 |
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Question |
teacher gal |
Feb-05-08 02:07 AM |
#187 |
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As I look at my life, I think cigarettes have diminished my living. At a certain |
higher class |
Feb-04-08 01:31 PM |
#5 |
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A question... |
americanstranger |
Feb-04-08 01:31 PM |
#6 |
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In the part of NC |
citizen_jane |
Feb-04-08 01:44 PM |
#11 |
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That, I can understand. |
americanstranger |
Feb-04-08 01:47 PM |
#15 |
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Oh it is strong for sure! |
citizen_jane |
Feb-04-08 02:30 PM |
#32 |
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Wow. that'll stop legislation! |
americanstranger |
Feb-04-08 02:32 PM |
#35 |
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I agree. |
citizen_jane |
Feb-04-08 02:36 PM |
#37 |
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I think it'll be... |
Satbod Elder |
Feb-04-08 04:55 PM |
#89 |
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Nope - it'll be SOUTH Carolina |
aphopkin |
Feb-04-08 03:44 PM |
#62 |
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Anyone? |
americanstranger |
Feb-04-08 01:45 PM |
#13 |
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Lots. Map and Venn Diagram, plus Schedule here... |
mcscajun |
Feb-04-08 01:51 PM |
#16 |
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Thanks for that! |
americanstranger |
Feb-04-08 01:56 PM |
#19 |
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I think |
Imagine In Texas |
Feb-04-08 01:59 PM |
#23 |
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Check out the heartland... |
High Plains |
Feb-04-08 02:53 PM |
#46 |
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Except for Philly smoking is still allowed in Pennsylvania |
RamboLiberal |
Feb-04-08 03:36 PM |
#60 |
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I want you to be highly taxed....Gee thanks O Progressive one.... |
catnhatnh |
Feb-04-08 01:35 PM |
#7 |
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And use the taxes to pay for problems associated with the drug. |
uppityperson |
Feb-04-08 01:41 PM |
#9 |
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Taxes will PAY for your healthcare and any associated healthcare |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 03:04 PM |
#52 |
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Fine, but why should my cig taxes fund the general fund? |
High Plains |
Feb-04-08 03:50 PM |
#66 |
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That is a whole different matter, but to SCHIP |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 04:23 PM |
#79 |
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Now that statement is a crock |
Mojorabbit |
Feb-05-08 01:17 AM |
#181 |
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Amazing, so you are telling that second hand smoke |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-05-08 01:43 AM |
#185 |
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No I am not saying that and I think you know it |
Mojorabbit |
Feb-05-08 02:07 AM |
#186 |
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In an ideal world, try to get that through republcians |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-05-08 10:26 AM |
#191 |
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The question is why you so readily pick regressive taxes..... |
catnhatnh |
Feb-04-08 06:15 PM |
#101 |
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Ye are talking of policy |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 08:53 PM |
#123 |
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Well, currently tobacco is 'highly' taxed. Much higher rates than alcohol. Now I have a question |
sinkingfeeling |
Feb-04-08 01:38 PM |
#8 |
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You will never get a an intelligent response to that question |
bamalib |
Feb-04-08 02:49 PM |
#41 |
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Because of your hired help and the effects of second hand smoke |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 03:04 PM |
#53 |
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Why? I would advise those applying for the jobs that it was a smoking establishment and since about |
sinkingfeeling |
Feb-04-08 03:46 PM |
#64 |
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I gave you the health reason |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 04:12 PM |
#75 |
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Sure those "public health studies" which are financed by agenda driven groups |
bamalib |
Feb-04-08 06:52 PM |
#108 |
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I did not know that those studies done by the Frammingham Institute |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 08:40 PM |
#115 |
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You're welcome |
bamalib |
Feb-05-08 05:06 PM |
#195 |
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My name is JQC and I'm a nicotine addict... |
John Q. Citizen |
Feb-04-08 01:44 PM |
#10 |
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one quibble |
northzax |
Feb-04-08 02:28 PM |
#31 |
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PA is a long way from MI |
vanboggie |
Feb-04-08 03:53 PM |
#68 |
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come on, at a thousand bucks a day |
northzax |
Feb-04-08 04:05 PM |
#73 |
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I KNOW it is not easy to quit |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 04:25 PM |
#80 |
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Makes way too much sense |
vanboggie |
Feb-04-08 04:55 PM |
#90 |
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Note to nadin |
ixion |
Feb-04-08 01:46 PM |
#14 |
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Note to you... your second hand smoke |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 03:06 PM |
#54 |
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It won't if you don't fucking GO IN THERE |
karlrschneider |
Feb-04-08 03:59 PM |
#70 |
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Tell me oh wise one how do I avoid the second hand smoke |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 04:30 PM |
#82 |
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Your apartment? |
proud2Blib |
Feb-04-08 05:05 PM |
#94 |
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Right... |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 06:42 PM |
#103 |
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Move |
karlrschneider |
Feb-04-08 06:16 PM |
#102 |
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Expected |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 06:43 PM |
#104 |
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Did you notice how he has no problem telling others where they can/can't smoke |
kgfnally |
Feb-04-08 08:48 PM |
#118 |
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We have |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 08:49 PM |
#119 |
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Why, yes, I do have another question. Even though my post WASN'T directed at you. |
kgfnally |
Feb-04-08 08:53 PM |
#122 |
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Sorry if you feel it is a screed |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 08:55 PM |
#124 |
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It's not that I feel it's a screed |
kgfnally |
Feb-04-08 09:02 PM |
#128 |
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Ok so going to a hospital is preaching? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 09:19 PM |
#130 |
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How did we get from |
kgfnally |
Feb-04-08 09:21 PM |
#131 |
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Cigarette smoke does that to more than just me |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 09:57 PM |
#135 |
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Not for nothing, but he has a valid point. |
americanstranger |
Feb-04-08 09:25 PM |
#132 |
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Look we told him, he gets out, or rather I take him out |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 09:56 PM |
#134 |
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That is a rough situation. |
americanstranger |
Feb-04-08 10:26 PM |
#141 |
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Well debating whether to go to the doc, and get a second course of steroids |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 10:41 PM |
#145 |
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I've been told I live in a "police state" (California) because smokers have to go outside to smoke. |
impeachdubya |
Feb-04-08 01:56 PM |
#18 |
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I'm a smoker, and I have no problem with it. |
americanstranger |
Feb-04-08 01:59 PM |
#24 |
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I'm with you, there. I would make exceptions for playgrounds where a bunch of 3 yr olds are playing |
impeachdubya |
Feb-04-08 02:03 PM |
#25 |
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I don't smoke around kids anyway. |
americanstranger |
Feb-04-08 02:05 PM |
#26 |
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No doubt. I think probably 90-95% of smokers get it. |
impeachdubya |
Feb-04-08 02:26 PM |
#30 |
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Thanks for recognizing that. |
americanstranger |
Feb-04-08 02:30 PM |
#34 |
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Thanks, my nephews thank you |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 04:31 PM |
#83 |
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Cigarette smokers have fewer restrictions placed on us... |
LanternWaste |
Feb-04-08 02:44 PM |
#40 |
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when I was growing up I used to see people smoking in grocery |
roguevalley |
Feb-04-08 02:56 PM |
#49 |
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I remember those days, |
StarryNite |
Feb-04-08 03:56 PM |
#69 |
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I grew up in the midwest, riding around in smoke-filled cars where any request to roll the window |
impeachdubya |
Feb-04-08 04:34 PM |
#85 |
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I hear you, friend. What a mess this habit has caused. |
roguevalley |
Feb-04-08 04:39 PM |
#86 |
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I grew up in the southwest. |
StarryNite |
Feb-04-08 05:46 PM |
#98 |
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Hot butts on the floor of Sears, smoking in clothing stores, hardware stores, restaurants... |
Hekate |
Feb-04-08 09:52 PM |
#133 |
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My sympathy as well and I agree there is a special circle of hell |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 10:04 PM |
#136 |
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Maybe you need to move. I don't know where you could be |
snappyturtle |
Feb-04-08 01:56 PM |
#20 |
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Here's an interesting story about a woman who had her husband chain her to a radiator to quit. |
John Q. Citizen |
Feb-04-08 01:57 PM |
#21 |
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i agree with you, and i am a smoker |
noiretblu |
Feb-04-08 01:58 PM |
#22 |
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CHENTIX IS WORKING FOR ME.. |
YEBBA |
Feb-04-08 02:08 PM |
#27 |
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Good for you... |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 04:27 PM |
#81 |
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It will work, Yebba! |
vanboggie |
Feb-04-08 04:58 PM |
#91 |
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And just for everyones info; here is the list of the chemicals in a cigarette and it's smoke... |
Javaman |
Feb-04-08 02:20 PM |
#28 |
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Restaurants could get really empty |
vanboggie |
Feb-04-08 02:25 PM |
#29 |
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First of all, that law is "dead on arrival". Secondly, laws re: smoking in restaurants in CA |
impeachdubya |
Feb-04-08 02:30 PM |
#33 |
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I didn't mind smoking outside away from doors |
vanboggie |
Feb-04-08 02:40 PM |
#39 |
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I repeat: I'm not at all interested in banning cigarettes. |
impeachdubya |
Feb-04-08 03:13 PM |
#57 |
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Prior to smoking bans being passed, |
kgfnally |
Feb-04-08 02:52 PM |
#45 |
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I don't remember that at all. |
LanternWaste |
Feb-04-08 03:01 PM |
#51 |
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I remember my father-in-law saying |
vanboggie |
Feb-04-08 03:18 PM |
#58 |
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Thanks for posting this |
FloridaJudy |
Feb-04-08 02:57 PM |
#50 |
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Be a compassionate non-smoker like me |
vanboggie |
Feb-04-08 03:39 PM |
#61 |
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I live in a state where it is not permitted |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 04:10 PM |
#74 |
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I grew up on a smoking household |
vanboggie |
Feb-04-08 05:16 PM |
#96 |
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Good for you on the stopping part |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 09:05 PM |
#129 |
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Yep, I was always aware of the danger |
vanboggie |
Feb-04-08 10:25 PM |
#140 |
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Sorry to read you have that severe |
ScreamingWhisper |
Feb-04-08 02:35 PM |
#36 |
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Do cigarettes transport rolling stock across the country? |
LanternWaste |
Feb-04-08 02:50 PM |
#42 |
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I did always find smokers to be nicer, more tolerant people |
vanboggie |
Feb-04-08 02:51 PM |
#44 |
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Thanks! n/t |
ScreamingWhisper |
Feb-04-08 03:10 PM |
#55 |
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I've found that that's true |
FloridaJudy |
Feb-04-08 04:12 PM |
#76 |
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Didn't know city transit came through my living room |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 03:25 PM |
#59 |
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Because |
ScreamingWhisper |
Feb-04-08 03:47 PM |
#65 |
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You are making way, and I mean this WAAYYYYY too many assumptions |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 04:20 PM |
#77 |
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I do go to bars, so what? |
ScreamingWhisper |
Feb-04-08 05:01 PM |
#92 |
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Fair enough |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 08:48 PM |
#117 |
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So you found that data or long term study yet? |
ScreamingWhisper |
Feb-05-08 11:43 AM |
#193 |
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Fine, I won't smoke in your living room. Now stay out of my bar. |
High Plains |
Feb-04-08 03:51 PM |
#67 |
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You stay on your side of the Darwin line and I'll stay on mine. |
ScreamingWhisper |
Feb-04-08 04:00 PM |
#71 |
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Whoops! Sorry bout that!!!!!!! |
ScreamingWhisper |
Feb-04-08 04:02 PM |
#72 |
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They will never be happy. |
spacelady |
Feb-04-08 11:24 PM |
#159 |
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Hmm. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-04-08 02:37 PM |
#38 |
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whew.. i thougtt u were addressing tokers... |
crimsonblue |
Feb-04-08 02:51 PM |
#43 |
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LOL |
vanboggie |
Feb-04-08 03:46 PM |
#63 |
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If you were alergic to peanuts????? |
Dawggie |
Feb-04-08 02:54 PM |
#47 |
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As a former medic I call bullshit on your statement |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 04:22 PM |
#78 |
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Unless your allergy is one that I have never heard of before |
Dawggie |
Feb-04-08 05:40 PM |
#97 |
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HAVE YOU EVER been around an asthmatic in the midst of a bad attack? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 08:51 PM |
#120 |
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hmm i dunno about that |
iamthebandfanman |
Feb-04-08 02:54 PM |
#48 |
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Trust me, denial is quite strong |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 04:32 PM |
#84 |
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Hmmm |
davidthegnome |
Feb-04-08 04:41 PM |
#87 |
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Nobody is telling you we need to ban anything |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 08:57 PM |
#126 |
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Your concern is touching. |
trof |
Feb-04-08 04:45 PM |
#88 |
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Your heart is in the right place but those who need your |
Cleita |
Feb-04-08 05:03 PM |
#93 |
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I know that... this is part of the problem |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 06:44 PM |
#105 |
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I don't want to smoke in your local restaurant, I want to smoke in my local bar. |
Lilith Velkor |
Feb-04-08 05:09 PM |
#95 |
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I don't want to smoke anywhere around you |
RainDog |
Feb-04-08 06:07 PM |
#99 |
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Two things |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 08:36 PM |
#112 |
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right |
RainDog |
Feb-04-08 11:16 PM |
#155 |
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Sorry to tell you this but the effects to YOUR lungs long term |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-05-08 12:30 AM |
#172 |
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no |
RainDog |
Feb-05-08 12:49 AM |
#176 |
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Again you might want to review the SCIENCE |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-05-08 01:03 AM |
#178 |
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and yet...have you posted any links to articles proving you science |
ScreamingWhisper |
Feb-05-08 11:55 AM |
#194 |
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Are you adhering to DU rules? |
eowyn_of_rohan |
Feb-04-08 06:10 PM |
#100 |
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The world got along fine before the anti-smoking sanctimonious hysteria. |
Political Heretic |
Feb-04-08 06:49 PM |
#107 |
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That's ok, you have smokin' soul sister here |
eowyn_of_rohan |
Feb-04-08 07:47 PM |
#110 |
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I have no beef with considerate smokers |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 08:38 PM |
#114 |
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Where's edwards when we need him...Time to sue the Tobacco compainies. |
ileus |
Feb-04-08 06:46 PM |
#106 |
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So now that cigarettes have been banned.... |
Kansas Wyatt |
Feb-04-08 07:38 PM |
#109 |
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Spitoons pittered out for the same basic reason. |
cottonseed |
Feb-04-08 07:55 PM |
#111 |
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Cigarettes have not been banned |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 08:37 PM |
#113 |
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I don't know about that |
pipoman |
Feb-04-08 08:47 PM |
#116 |
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That might be a way to deal with it |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 08:52 PM |
#121 |
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The same could be said for imposing detrimental taxing |
pipoman |
Feb-04-08 10:11 PM |
#137 |
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Well in an ideal world, alas this is not one |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 10:33 PM |
#142 |
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And which of these regressive |
pipoman |
Feb-04-08 10:53 PM |
#148 |
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Fast food |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 11:06 PM |
#151 |
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I don't drink or smoke |
pipoman |
Feb-05-08 01:19 AM |
#183 |
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Policy wise, and yes we are talking here ideals not reality |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-05-08 01:34 AM |
#184 |
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So exactly what I am paying taxes for? |
pipoman |
Feb-05-08 07:04 AM |
#189 |
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Excuse me while I vomit |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-05-08 10:25 AM |
#190 |
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It's already highly regulated |
brook |
Feb-04-08 08:55 PM |
#125 |
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So you mean public health concerns are my responsibly and not Society's |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 08:59 PM |
#127 |
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I smoke but I have no problem with restaurant bans. |
MrSlayer |
Feb-04-08 10:17 PM |
#138 |
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It is an addiction, period |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 10:40 PM |
#144 |
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I didn't deny that it was. |
MrSlayer |
Feb-04-08 11:43 PM |
#165 |
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I have been both a smoker and a non-smoker... |
salin |
Feb-04-08 10:20 PM |
#139 |
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I agree with you, a university is going a tad far if they ban it on |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 10:39 PM |
#143 |
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You know, when I read these diatribes for the umpteenth time, |
spacelady |
Feb-04-08 10:49 PM |
#146 |
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And when I read these attitudes from people who are addicted to a substance |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 10:50 PM |
#147 |
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Yawn. |
spacelady |
Feb-04-08 10:57 PM |
#149 |
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Classic |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 11:06 PM |
#152 |
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Of course I was serious about saving your breath - blow it into |
spacelady |
Feb-04-08 11:27 PM |
#162 |
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You forgot the sarcasm |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 11:34 PM |
#163 |
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Yes, I was ribbing you, but smokers for the most part have made |
spacelady |
Feb-04-08 11:43 PM |
#166 |
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Not asking you to quit |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-05-08 12:11 AM |
#168 |
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Ok, I did read it again, and seriously, how am I going to know |
spacelady |
Feb-05-08 12:33 AM |
#173 |
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If you are sensitive to ammonia, I'd think of quitting, one by-product of the smoke |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-05-08 12:42 AM |
#175 |
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Avoid enclosed spaces where smoking is allowed, problem solved. |
spacelady |
Feb-05-08 01:06 AM |
#179 |
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How do I avoid my home? Good grief |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-05-08 01:09 AM |
#180 |
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I think this sums up your tirade: |
The Straight Story |
Feb-04-08 11:04 PM |
#150 |
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As I said above, public health (and studies) are NOT a choice |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 11:07 PM |
#153 |
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I don't care if it is upthread - deny choice to people is still wrong IMHO |
The Straight Story |
Feb-04-08 11:11 PM |
#154 |
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Actually the list of poisons is too damn close |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 11:16 PM |
#156 |
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Controlling people.... |
The Straight Story |
Feb-04-08 11:20 PM |
#158 |
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What about the workers at that bar? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 11:27 PM |
#160 |
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A few things about that |
The Straight Story |
Feb-04-08 11:37 PM |
#164 |
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In a free society we also have the commons |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-05-08 12:09 AM |
#167 |
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Naw |
The Straight Story |
Feb-05-08 12:12 AM |
#169 |
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GD-P a place to stay away for a good while |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-05-08 12:15 AM |
#170 |
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I quit smoking on Feb 8th of last year... I am glad to have thrown off those shackles... |
mikelewis |
Feb-04-08 11:20 PM |
#157 |
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Good for you I congratulate you |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-04-08 11:27 PM |
#161 |
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obese and/or smokers= less health care costs |
RainDog |
Feb-05-08 12:30 AM |
#171 |
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You sure about that? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-05-08 12:34 AM |
#174 |
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did you actually read the link? |
RainDog |
Feb-05-08 12:56 AM |
#177 |
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Yes I did |
nadinbrzezinski |
Feb-05-08 01:17 AM |
#182 |
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i have oodles of friends and family w/ asthma. bring your inhaler, avoid problem areas. |
NuttyFluffers |
Feb-05-08 02:56 AM |
#188 |
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Rebuttal |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Feb-05-08 10:59 AM |
#192 |