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175. Here's some info on the portable air filters: they really do help people like us quite a bit when we're stuck in public places where people are smoking. It's a shame that so many people are still addicted though. My father is 64 and I'm amazed that he's kept going for this long after so many years of chain smoking. His father only smoked for 20 years, and both his father and mother were killed by smoking related illnesses. I miss them both, too. I'm glad that he's finally quite, but with his heart problems and high blood pressure-well, it's a constant worry.

Here's the American Lung Association's smoking 101 fact sheet, which includes info on the health care costs:

Smoking 101 Fact Sheet

May 2007

Cigarette smoking has been identified as the most important source of preventable morbidity and premature mortality worldwide. Smoking-related diseases claim an estimated 438,000 American lives each year, including those affected indirectly, such as babies born prematurely due to prenatal maternal smoking and victims of "secondhand" exposure to tobacco's carcinogens. Smoking costs the United States over $167 billion each year in health-care costs including $92 billion in mortality-related productivity loses and $75 billion in direct medical expenditures or an average of $3,702 per adult smoker.1

Cigarette smoke contains over 4,800 chemicals, 69 of which are known to cause cancer. Smoking is directly responsible for approximately 90 percent of lung cancer deaths and approximately 80-90 percent of COPD (emphysema and chronic bronchitis) deaths.2
About 8.6 million people in the U.S. have at least one serious illness caused by smoking. That means that for every person who dies of a smoking-related disease, there are 20 more people who suffer from at least one serious illness associated with smoking.3
Among current smokers, chronic lung disease accounts for 73 percent of smoking-related conditions. Even among smokers who have quit chronic lung disease accounts for 50 percent of smoking-related conditions.4
Smoking is also a major factor in coronary heart disease and stroke; may be causally related to malignancies in other parts of the body; and has been linked to a variety of other conditions and disorders, including slowed healing of wounds, infertility, and peptic ulcer disease. For the first time, the Surgeon General includes pneumonia in the list of diseases caused by smoking.5
Smoking in pregnancy accounts for an estimated 20 to 30 percent of low-birth weight babies, up to 14 percent of preterm deliveries, and some 10 percent of all infant deaths. Even apparently healthy, full-term babies of smokers have been found to be born with narrowed airways and curtailed lung function.6
Only about 30 percent of women who smoke stop smoking when they find out they are pregnant; the proportion of quitters is highest among married women and women with higher levels of education.7 Smoking during pregnancy declined in 2004 to 10.2 percent of women giving birth, down 42 percent from 1990.8
Neonatal health-care costs attributable to maternal smoking in the U.S. have been estimated at $366 million per year, or $704 per maternal smoker.9
Smoking by parents is also associated with a wide range of adverse effects in their children, including exacerbation of asthma, increased frequency of colds and ear infections, and sudden infant death syndrome. Secondhand smoke causes an estimated 150,000 to 300,000 cases of lower respiratory tract infections in children less than 18 months of age, resulting in 7,500 to 15,000 annual hospitalizations.10
In 2005, an estimated 45.1 million, or 21.0 percent of, adults were current smokers. The annual prevalence of smoking has declined 40 percent between 1965 and 1990, but has been unchanged virtually thereafter.11
Males tend to have significantly higher rates of smoking prevalence than females. In 2005, 23.9 percent of males currently smoked compared to 18.1 percent of females.12
Prevalence of current smoking in 2005 was highest among Native American Indians/Alaska Natives (32.0%), intermediate among non-Hispanic whites (21.9%), and non-Hispanic blacks (21.5%), and lowest among Hispanics (16.2%) and Asians and Pacific Islanders (13.3%).13
As smoking declines among the White non-Hispanic population, tobacco companies have targeted both African Americans and Hispanics with intensive merchandising, which includes billboards, advertising in media targeted to those communities, and sponsorship of civic groups and athletic, cultural, and entertainment events. In 2003, total advertising and promotion by the five major tobacco companies was the highest ever reported at $15.15 billion.14
Tobacco advertising also plays an important role in encouraging young people to begin a lifelong addiction to smoking before they are old enough to fully understand its long-term health risk. Approximately 90 percent of smokers begin smoking before the age of 21.15
In 2005, 23 percent of high school students were current smokers.16 Over 8 percent of middle school students were current smokers in 2004.17
Secondhand smoke involuntarily inhaled by nonsmokers from other people's cigarettes is classified by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency as a known human (Group A) carcinogen, responsible for approximately 3,400 lung cancer deaths and 46,000 (ranging 22,700-69,600) heart disease deaths in adult nonsmokers annually in United States.18
Workplaces nationwide are going smoke-free to provide clean indoor air and protect employees from the life-threatening effects of secondhand smoke. Nearly 70 percent of the U.S. workforce worked under a smoke free policy in 1999, but the percentage of workers protected varies by state, ranging from a high of 83.9 percent in Utah and 81.2 percent in Maryland to 48.7% in Nevada.19
Employers have a legal right to restrict smoking in the workplace, or implement a totally smoke-free workplace policy. Exceptions may arise in the case of collective bargaining agreements with unions.
Nicotine is an addictive drug, which when inhaled in cigarette smoke reaches the brain faster than drugs that enter the body intravenously. Smokers not only become physically addicted to nicotine; they also link smoking with many social activities, making smoking a difficult habit to break.20
In 2005, an estimated 46.1 million adults were former smokers. Of the current 45.1 million smokers, 42.5 percent of current smokers had stopped smoking at least 1 day in the preceding year because they were trying to quit smoking completely.21
Nicotine replacement products can help relieve withdrawal symptoms people experience when they quit smoking. Nicotine patches, nicotine gum and nicotine lozenges are available over-the-counter, and a nicotine nasal spray and inhaler are currently available by prescription.22
In addition, a doctor can prescribe non nicotine pills such as Zyban and Chantix to help smokers quit.
Nicotine replacement therapies are helpful in quitting when combined with a behavior change program such as the American Lung Association's Freedom From Smoking (FFS), which addresses psychological and behavioral addictions to smoking and strategies for coping with urges to smoke.

For more information on smoking, please review the Tobacco Use Morbidity and Mortality Trend Report in the Data and Statistics section of our website at or call the American Lung Association at 1-800-LUNG-USA (1-800-586-4872).

1 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Annual Smoking-Attributable Mortality, Years of Potential Life Lost, and Productivity LossesUnited States, 19972001. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report . 2005;54:625-628 . Available from: .
2 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion. Tobacco Information and Prevention Source (TIPS). Tobacco Use in the United States. January 27, 2004.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Cigarette Smoking Attributable Morbidity U.S., 2000. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. 2003 Sept; 52(35): 842-844.


U.S Department of Health and Human Services. Health Consequences of Smoking: A Report of the Surgeon General, 2004.
6 U.S Department of Health and Human Services. Women and Smoking: A Report of the Surgeon General, 2001.

Martin J, Hamilton B, Sutton P, Ventura S, Menacker, F. and Munson M. Division of Vital Statistics
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. National Vital Statistics Reports. Births Final Data for 2003. Vol. 54(2), September 2005. Available at: . Accessed on 3/15/07.

National Vital Statistic Reports. Births: Final Data for 2004. Vol. 55, No. 1, September 2006.
9 Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. State Estimates of Neonatal Health-Care Costs Associated with Maternal Smoking U.S., 1996. Vol. 53, No. 39, October 8, 2004.
10 California Environmental Protection Agency. Health Effects of Exposure to Environmental Tobacco Smoke. September 1997.
11 National Health Interview Survey. Vital and Health Statistics: Summary Health Statistics for U.S. Adults: National Health Interview Survey, 2005. Series 10, No. 232, Oct. 4, 2006.
12 Ibid.
13 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR) Tobacco Use among Adults, Vol. 55 (42); 1145-1148, Oct. 2006. Available at: . Accessed on 4/19/07.
14 Federal Trade Commission Cigarette Report for 2003. Issued August 2005. Available at: . Accessed on 4/30/07.
15 U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Preventing Tobacco Use among Young People: A Report of the Surgeon General, 1994.
16 Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. Youth Risk Behavior SurveillanceUnited States, 2005. Vol. 55(SS05);1-108(pg.14). Available at: . Accessed on 4/30/07.
17 National Youth Tobacco Survey, 2000-2005 and CDC. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. Tobacco Use, Access and Exposure in Media Among Middle School and High School Students, United States 2004. Vol. 54, No. 12;297-301, April 2005. Available at: . Accessed on 4/30/07.
18 California Environmental Protection Agency. Health Effects of Exposure to Environmental Tobacco Smoke. June 2005. Available at: . Accessed on 4/30/07.

Shopland DR, Gerlach KK, Burns DM, Hartman AM, Gibson JT. State-Specific Trends in Smokefree Workplace Policy Coverage: the Current Population Tobacco Use Supplement, 1993 to 1999. J Occup Environ Med 2001; 43:680-686.
20 National Institute of Drug Abuse. Research Report on Nicotine: Addiction, August 2001.
21 Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. Tobacco Use Among AdultsUnited States, 2005. Vol. 55. No. 42, October 2005. Available at: . Accessed on 4/19/07.
22 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Treating Tobacco Use and Dependence: A Clinical Practice Guideline. 2000.

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  -WOO-HOO!! Smoking ban in Maryland bars and restaurants goes into madinmaryland  Jan-30-08 01:27 PM   #0 
  - Bah. Body nazis.  SteppingRazor   Jan-30-08 01:28 PM   #1 
  - Yes god forbid we tramp on the rights of the smoking nazis  LynneSin   Jan-30-08 01:47 PM   #20 
  - Strict clean-air standards for nonsmoking sections would serve just as well...  benEzra   Jan-30-08 04:40 PM   #146 
  - Smoking sections in a building is like peeing sections in a pool.  Swede   Jan-30-08 09:52 PM   #167 
     - Yes, it does...and air quality standards would be enforceable.  benEzra   Jan-31-08 08:05 AM   #172 
        - No...,really.... it doesn't work. n/t  Caoimhe   Jan-31-08 05:11 PM   #174 
           - Yes, it does, if properly designed.  benEzra   Jan-31-08 08:09 PM   #176 
  - This is all so that people will drive to Delaware and pay their tolls to smoke in their bars, right?  JVS   Jan-30-08 11:28 PM   #169 
  - Some of those "body Nazis" have asthma, and second-hand  JDPriestly   Jan-30-08 04:45 PM   #150 
  - This smoker...  LanternWaste   Jan-30-08 01:30 PM   #2 
  - this smoker would like everyone else to quit driving and spewing invisible carcinogens into my air.  Viva_La_Revolution   Jan-30-08 01:33 PM   #7 
  - when i was a smoker i had  sweets   Jan-30-08 01:42 PM   #15 
  - and now it's ok that smog causes as many illnesses as long-term exposure to second hand smoke?  Viva_La_Revolution   Jan-30-08 02:00 PM   #42 
  - We selectively and conveniently choose  LanternWaste   Jan-30-08 02:36 PM   #98 
  - There's nothing like having a track record.  TahitiNut   Jan-30-08 02:01 PM   #44 
  - When your cigarette can also drive you to and from work...  LanternWaste   Jan-30-08 02:30 PM   # 
  - Well I have to hand it to you. Your bull shit is up front!  Mountainman   Jan-30-08 03:12 PM   #125 
  - +1  harmonicon   Jan-30-08 03:52 PM   #141 
  - good for you.  sweets   Jan-30-08 01:43 PM   #16 
     - I've learned the hard way...  LanternWaste   Jan-30-08 03:26 PM   #137 
        - good luck to you. i smoked for 30 years --- 2 packs a day.  sweets   Jan-30-08 05:32 PM   #160 
  - Reason #29 not to visit Maryland  meegbear   Jan-30-08 01:30 PM   #3 
  - Only 29?  Sweet Pea   Jan-30-08 01:39 PM   #11 
  - There's been this ban in Montgomery Co, Maryland for several years  turtlensue   Jan-30-08 01:55 PM   #32 
     - And business increased!  kirby   Jan-30-08 01:59 PM   #40 
        - These bans happen and intially there is always backlash  LynneSin   Jan-30-08 02:02 PM   #46 
  - It's effect, asshat.  Midlodemocrat   Jan-30-08 01:31 PM   #4 
  - Nice post, Hitler!  madinmaryland   Jan-30-08 01:52 PM   #26 
  - I guess I'll be spending my money in Virginia.  High Plains   Jan-30-08 01:31 PM   #5 
  - About damn time...  kirby   Jan-30-08 01:32 PM   #6 
  - How many people die from second hand smoke, anyway?  High Plains   Jan-30-08 01:34 PM   #8 
  - There are studies...  kirby   Jan-30-08 01:38 PM   #10 
  - More than you think and this isn't just about 2nd hand smoke.  Deep13   Jan-30-08 01:49 PM   #22 
  - Don't get me started with second hand smoke - I dealt with it for years  LynneSin   Jan-30-08 01:50 PM   #24 
  - And  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 01:53 PM   #29 
     - Yeah but the voters wanted this!!  kirby   Jan-30-08 01:56 PM   #33 
     - They call us non-smokers 'Nazis' but the real 'Nazis' are the smokers  LynneSin   Jan-30-08 01:59 PM   #39 
     - Tell ya what  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 02:13 PM   #59 
        - How about when I have to walk through a cloud of smoke to  Midlodemocrat   Jan-30-08 02:16 PM   #62 
        - If the resturant allows somking and you hate it that much  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 02:19 PM   #72 
           - Missed the point, but thanks for playing.  Midlodemocrat   Jan-30-08 02:46 PM   #106 
              - Wow  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 03:08 PM   #121 
                 - You're missing the point entirely.  Midlodemocrat   Jan-30-08 03:29 PM   #139 
        - Clearly you don't get it - it's not about the patrons  LynneSin   Jan-30-08 02:16 PM   #63 
           - "It's about the employees. "  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 02:22 PM   #75 
              - Irish need not apply.  kirby   Jan-30-08 02:26 PM   #80 
              - One can say the same  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 02:37 PM   #99 
                 - Business want to 'stay competitive'  kirby   Jan-30-08 02:42 PM   #103 
                    - Point by Point  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 02:53 PM   #111 
                    - Try Advertising  Crisco   Jan-30-08 04:51 PM   #151 
              - And you can just live  StarryNite   Jan-30-08 02:35 PM   #96 
                 - And you can live in a state where revolutaniory free speech is allowed  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 02:54 PM   #112 
                    - Smoking bans are happening  StarryNite   Jan-30-08 03:18 PM   #133 
                       - Sorry Charlie  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 04:37 PM   #144 
                          - My name isn't Charlie...  StarryNite   Jan-30-08 04:54 PM   #156 
                             - good point n/t  Caoimhe   Jan-30-08 06:19 PM   #161 
                             - You dont have to take a test or obtain a license to drink/smoke  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 08:50 PM   #164 
     - The majority is not always right  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 02:13 PM   #56 
        - The majority is not always wrong either...  kirby   Jan-30-08 02:36 PM   #97 
     - Smokers makes a choice - why should those of us who choose not to smoke suffer?  LynneSin   Jan-30-08 01:57 PM   #37 
        - My Great-grandfather who never smoked died of lung cancer.  Viva_La_Revolution   Jan-30-08 02:05 PM   #47 
        - My grandfather was an invalid for 15 years with emphysema from smoking  kwassa   Jan-30-08 02:09 PM   #54 
        - That's sad  Viva_La_Revolution   Jan-30-08 02:18 PM   #67 
           - because smoking is an addictive source of fatal disease easily eradicated.  kwassa   Jan-30-08 02:21 PM   #74 
           - Wrong thread...  kirby   Jan-30-08 02:29 PM   #88 
        - My grand-father smoked till he died at 85, and did not die of lung  madinmaryland   Jan-30-08 02:13 PM   #57 
        - Oh that lovely strawman  LynneSin   Jan-30-08 02:13 PM   #58 
        - Great post. And, dead on.  Midlodemocrat   Jan-30-08 02:14 PM   #60 
        - You're clever... I'm sure you can find someone to blame  LanternWaste   Jan-30-08 03:08 PM   #120 
        - So did The  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 02:16 PM   #61 
           - Cigarettes serve no positive social purpose. None.  kwassa   Jan-30-08 02:19 PM   #70 
           - Neither does weed, alcohol, pornography, ....  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 02:23 PM   #76 
           - Exactly. I just want people to acknowledge the duplicity of their Angst Against Smoke  temeah   Jan-30-08 02:28 PM   #85 
           - I don't think that the smoke from weed contains  LanternWaste   Jan-30-08 03:10 PM   #124 
              - Fact..  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 04:39 PM   #145 
           - But those can be used healthfully in moderation. Smoking can't.  kwassa   Jan-30-08 02:29 PM   #87 
           - Really?  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 02:35 PM   #95 
              - oh, I am sure that outweighs the 400,000 that die from smoking-related illnesses each year  kwassa   Jan-30-08 02:41 PM   #102 
                 - Well you said alchol can be enjoyed in moderation  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 03:06 PM   #117 
           - All other things being equal, what you mentioned are not addictive.  LanternWaste   Jan-30-08 03:10 PM   #123 
           - Youre kidding right  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 03:27 PM   #138 
           - Again, Not True (Porn is Questionable)  Crisco   Jan-30-08 04:54 PM   #155 
           - That's Not True At All  Crisco   Jan-30-08 04:53 PM   #154 
           - What about the 100,000,000 people in this country  madinmaryland   Jan-30-08 02:26 PM   #82 
              - Chance are if youre in a town with only one resturant  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 02:39 PM   #100 
                 - I guess what you are trying to say is that the almighty dollar  madinmaryland   Jan-30-08 02:47 PM   #107 
                    - No but thanks for playing..  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 02:57 PM   #114 
                    - Well, I'll leave it that we have fundamental difference.  madinmaryland   Jan-30-08 03:07 PM   #119 
                       - Well  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 03:15 PM   #130 
                    - It's funny how all these people whine about smoking bans  alarimer   Jan-30-08 05:04 PM   #158 
  - One is too many. But here are the facts:  Lorien   Jan-30-08 02:28 PM   #84 
  - Thanks Lorien for posting this information.  madinmaryland   Jan-30-08 02:49 PM   #108 
     - Well, I'm afraid the facts won't matter to a lot of people  Lorien   Jan-30-08 08:20 PM   #162 
  - 49,400 each year. See above post. n/t  Lorien   Jan-30-08 02:33 PM   #92 
  - Yea not to mention  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 01:40 PM   #12 
     - Huh?  kirby   Jan-30-08 01:44 PM   #17 
     - Everything can be a public health issue  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 01:51 PM   #25 
        - The slippery slope argument...  kirby   Jan-30-08 01:54 PM   #31 
        - No it just means we dont crap on a freedom to make us all better  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 02:06 PM   #49 
           - As a smoker, I'm crapping on the freedoms  LanternWaste   Jan-30-08 03:14 PM   #128 
        - A couple of points about your arguments:  madinmaryland   Jan-30-08 02:00 PM   #41 
        - Picking at nits  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 02:07 PM   #50 
        - Not sure what your response is to my first comment and  madinmaryland   Jan-30-08 02:19 PM   #69 
           - To clarify  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 02:25 PM   #78 
              - My point is, which you don't seem to get,  madinmaryland   Jan-30-08 02:35 PM   #94 
              - Nope I made a choice not to  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 02:40 PM   #101 
              - What's the ratio of food addicts to nicotine addicts?  LanternWaste   Jan-30-08 03:15 PM   #129 
        - Personally I think going after fatty foods isn't a bad idea.  LynneSin   Jan-30-08 02:17 PM   #66 
           - I don't have a problem going after fatty foods,  madinmaryland   Jan-30-08 02:20 PM   #73 
           - Some how I did not think you would  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 02:26 PM   #81 
              - Facism of the diet ? Are you calling us Diet Facists?  kwassa   Jan-30-08 02:33 PM   #93 
                 - Oh that name will never do for marketing  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 02:43 PM   #104 
                    - well, about 30% of cancers are related to diet, says the CDC  kwassa   Jan-30-08 02:50 PM   #109 
                       - So 100% of those  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 02:58 PM   #116 
                          - because it runs up health insurance premiums for everyone, making it unaffordable for many  kwassa   Jan-30-08 03:06 PM   #118 
                             - Well if thats the case  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 03:13 PM   #127 
                                - Eating is voluntary behavior, and genetics are involuntary.  kwassa   Jan-30-08 03:17 PM   #132 
                                   - Ahhh but who you breed with *is* voulntary...  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 03:18 PM   #134 
                                      - and what is your point?  kwassa   Jan-30-08 03:21 PM   #135 
                                         - But  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 04:41 PM   #147 
        - You say cable TV is worse than second-hand smoke for your children?  kwassa   Jan-30-08 02:01 PM   #43 
        - Well... Because you *really* want to see it  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 02:11 PM   #55 
           - oh please ...  kwassa   Jan-30-08 02:26 PM   #79 
           - So its a metter of degree?  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 02:28 PM   #86 
              - hey, you compared cable TV to smoking, not me!  kwassa   Jan-30-08 02:30 PM   #90 
                 - Can you answer the question then...  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 02:44 PM   #105 
                    - Smoking is a huge proven health risk. Cable TV is not.  kwassa   Jan-30-08 02:52 PM   #110 
                       - You dont think voilent stupid kids are a health risk  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 02:55 PM   #113 
                          - um, there are no measurements in that quote of yours.  kwassa   Jan-30-08 03:08 PM   #122 
           - So cable teevee is responsible for over a quarter million  LanternWaste   Jan-30-08 03:16 PM   #131 
        - It's already happening... California City Approves Outdoor Smoking Ban  Viva_La_Revolution   Jan-30-08 02:09 PM   #52 
     - All other things being equal...  LanternWaste   Jan-30-08 03:12 PM   #126 
        - Sex in public is legal..  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-30-08 04:43 PM   #148 
  - As a smoker...  skypilot   Jan-30-08 01:37 PM   #9 
  - Nice post, Big Nanny Brother  temeah   Jan-30-08 01:41 PM   #13 
  - I will have you know..  turtlensue   Jan-30-08 01:57 PM   #35 
     - When will people learn that the coolness of a bar depends upon 4 things:  temeah   Jan-30-08 02:09 PM   #53 
     - I'm going to be completely honest here  turtlensue   Jan-30-08 04:52 PM   #152 
        - I'll be on my bunk  temeah   Jan-30-08 05:05 PM   #159 
     - Hey, wait a second there Snyder!  madinmaryland   Jan-30-08 02:17 PM   #64 
  - i hope it happens in every state.  sweets   Jan-30-08 01:42 PM   #14 
  - Wow, Ohio beat Maryland in protecting public health?  Deep13   Jan-30-08 01:46 PM   #18 
  - Parts of MD have had this for years  turtlensue   Jan-30-08 01:58 PM   #38 
     - Howard County went smokeless three years ago.  madinmaryland   Jan-30-08 02:01 PM   #45 
  - Been like that in California the past 10 years - what took MD so long?  devilgrrl   Jan-30-08 01:47 PM   #19 
  - Big Tobacco...  kirby   Jan-30-08 01:50 PM   #23 
     - MD has the HIGHEST tobacco tax in the country  turtlensue   Jan-30-08 05:02 PM   #157 
  - Rock On!!!!!!111  Southpawkicker   Jan-30-08 01:48 PM   #21 
  - Wish Pennsylvania's stupid legislature would catch up  RamboLiberal   Jan-30-08 01:52 PM   #27 
  - As promised in your Lounge thread, I'm officially flaming you.  dbaker41   Jan-30-08 01:52 PM   #28 
  - Flame away all you want! OUTSIDE!!1!!  madinmaryland   Jan-30-08 01:53 PM   #30 
     - Gladly!  dbaker41   Jan-30-08 01:57 PM   #34 
  - When is Skinner going to make a Smoking Section (dungeon)?  stimbox   Jan-30-08 01:57 PM   #36 
  - LOL That would be a cool place (like the Lounge). And non-smoker DUers would want to be  temeah   Jan-30-08 02:06 PM   #48 
     - The cool DUers ARE the non smokers.  Midlodemocrat   Jan-30-08 02:17 PM   #65 
        - But I'm a non-smoker AND non-mercer  LynneSin   Jan-30-08 02:18 PM   #68 
        - Half-cool, of course.  kwassa   Jan-30-08 02:27 PM   #83 
        - ...  temeah   Jan-30-08 02:24 PM   #77 
  - OMGz teh facism!  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Jan-30-08 02:09 PM   #51 
  - I must say... there's nothing like a good Hate the Smokers thread to take my mind off of Edwards  Viva_La_Revolution   Jan-30-08 02:19 PM   #71 
  - As long as they don't have an inhaling law, I don't care  no name no slogan   Jan-30-08 02:30 PM   #89 
  - Bill? Is that you? n/t  kirby   Jan-30-08 02:31 PM   #91 
  - Cool - Maryland just became a little nicer!  El Pinko   Jan-30-08 02:57 PM   #115 
  - Yee HAW!  jhain   Jan-30-08 03:25 PM   #136 
  - My mom died from smoking related health issues 4 months ago  Caoimhe   Jan-30-08 03:51 PM   #140 
  - I'm so sorry for your loss, and for what you endured as a child  Lorien   Jan-30-08 08:28 PM   #163 
     - Thankyou and I am the same way.  Caoimhe   Jan-31-08 05:09 PM   #173 
        - Here's some info on the portable air filters:  Lorien   Jan-31-08 06:18 PM   #175 
  - Great, now lets go after the assholes that wear perfumed products in public.  Mugu   Jan-30-08 04:22 PM   #142 
  - I have not heard of any perfume that kills people by the thousands that don't  madinmaryland   Jan-30-08 09:23 PM   #166 
  - Hooray for a restriction of freedom that closes businesses!!  Snarkturian Clone   Jan-30-08 04:35 PM   #143 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-30-08 09:21 PM   #165 
     - Great reply!  neverforget   Jan-30-08 10:12 PM   #168 
     - What greed?  Snarkturian Clone   Jan-31-08 06:25 AM   #170 
     - .  Midlodemocrat   Jan-31-08 06:29 AM   #171 
  - Congrats! Illinois' took effect the 1st of the year, and it's great!  mycritters2   Jan-30-08 04:43 PM   #149 
  - Looks like we have the semi annual thread about smoking again.  anitar1   Jan-30-08 04:52 PM   #153 

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