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Wed Jan-30-08 02:00 PM
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| 42. and now it's ok that smog causes as many illnesses as long-term exposure to second hand smoke? |
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Previous studies have linked soot in the air to many respiratory ailments and even death, but the new study is the most definitive yet on the long term impact of such air pollution, according to New York University (NYU) School of Medicine and Brigham Young University researchers who led the study. Over many years, the danger of breathing soot filled air in polluted cities is comparable to the health risks associated with long term exposure to second hand smoke, according to the authors of the study, which evaluated the effects of air pollution on human health over a 16 year period. The researchers calculated that the number of deaths from lung cancer increases by eight percent for every additional 10 micrograms of fine particulate matter found in a cubic meter of air. "This study is compelling because it involved hundreds of thousands of people in many cities across the U.S. who were followed for almost two decades," said George Thurston, associate professor of environmental medicine at NYU School of Medicine, the study's co-leader. http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/mar2002/2002-03-06-07.a... I don't smoke inside when non-smokers are present... that's a given. I just want to see the same level of vitrol directed at the people who polute ALL our air, not just at smokers.
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| -WOO-HOO!! Smoking ban in Maryland bars and restaurants goes into |
madinmaryland |
Jan-30-08 01:27 PM |
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Bah. Body nazis. |
SteppingRazor |
Jan-30-08 01:28 PM |
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Yes god forbid we tramp on the rights of the smoking nazis |
LynneSin |
Jan-30-08 01:47 PM |
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Strict clean-air standards for nonsmoking sections would serve just as well... |
benEzra |
Jan-30-08 04:40 PM |
#146 |
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Smoking sections in a building is like peeing sections in a pool. |
Swede |
Jan-30-08 09:52 PM |
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Yes, it does...and air quality standards would be enforceable. |
benEzra |
Jan-31-08 08:05 AM |
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No...,really.... it doesn't work. n/t |
Caoimhe |
Jan-31-08 05:11 PM |
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Yes, it does, if properly designed. |
benEzra |
Jan-31-08 08:09 PM |
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This is all so that people will drive to Delaware and pay their tolls to smoke in their bars, right? |
JVS |
Jan-30-08 11:28 PM |
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Some of those "body Nazis" have asthma, and second-hand |
JDPriestly |
Jan-30-08 04:45 PM |
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This smoker... |
LanternWaste |
Jan-30-08 01:30 PM |
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this smoker would like everyone else to quit driving and spewing invisible carcinogens into my air. |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Jan-30-08 01:33 PM |
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when i was a smoker i had |
sweets |
Jan-30-08 01:42 PM |
#15 |
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and now it's ok that smog causes as many illnesses as long-term exposure to second hand smoke? |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Jan-30-08 02:00 PM |
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We selectively and conveniently choose |
LanternWaste |
Jan-30-08 02:36 PM |
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There's nothing like having a track record. |
TahitiNut |
Jan-30-08 02:01 PM |
#44 |
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When your cigarette can also drive you to and from work... |
LanternWaste |
Jan-30-08 02:30 PM |
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Well I have to hand it to you. Your bull shit is up front! |
Mountainman |
Jan-30-08 03:12 PM |
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+1 |
harmonicon |
Jan-30-08 03:52 PM |
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good for you. |
sweets |
Jan-30-08 01:43 PM |
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I've learned the hard way... |
LanternWaste |
Jan-30-08 03:26 PM |
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good luck to you. i smoked for 30 years --- 2 packs a day. |
sweets |
Jan-30-08 05:32 PM |
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Reason #29 not to visit Maryland |
meegbear |
Jan-30-08 01:30 PM |
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Only 29? |
Sweet Pea |
Jan-30-08 01:39 PM |
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There's been this ban in Montgomery Co, Maryland for several years |
turtlensue |
Jan-30-08 01:55 PM |
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And business increased! |
kirby |
Jan-30-08 01:59 PM |
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These bans happen and intially there is always backlash |
LynneSin |
Jan-30-08 02:02 PM |
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It's effect, asshat. |
Midlodemocrat |
Jan-30-08 01:31 PM |
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Nice post, Hitler! |
madinmaryland |
Jan-30-08 01:52 PM |
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I guess I'll be spending my money in Virginia. |
High Plains |
Jan-30-08 01:31 PM |
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About damn time... |
kirby |
Jan-30-08 01:32 PM |
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How many people die from second hand smoke, anyway? |
High Plains |
Jan-30-08 01:34 PM |
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There are studies... |
kirby |
Jan-30-08 01:38 PM |
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More than you think and this isn't just about 2nd hand smoke. |
Deep13 |
Jan-30-08 01:49 PM |
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Don't get me started with second hand smoke - I dealt with it for years |
LynneSin |
Jan-30-08 01:50 PM |
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And |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 01:53 PM |
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Yeah but the voters wanted this!! |
kirby |
Jan-30-08 01:56 PM |
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They call us non-smokers 'Nazis' but the real 'Nazis' are the smokers |
LynneSin |
Jan-30-08 01:59 PM |
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Tell ya what |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 02:13 PM |
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How about when I have to walk through a cloud of smoke to |
Midlodemocrat |
Jan-30-08 02:16 PM |
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If the resturant allows somking and you hate it that much |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 02:19 PM |
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Missed the point, but thanks for playing. |
Midlodemocrat |
Jan-30-08 02:46 PM |
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Wow |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 03:08 PM |
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You're missing the point entirely. |
Midlodemocrat |
Jan-30-08 03:29 PM |
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Clearly you don't get it - it's not about the patrons |
LynneSin |
Jan-30-08 02:16 PM |
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"It's about the employees. " |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 02:22 PM |
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Irish need not apply. |
kirby |
Jan-30-08 02:26 PM |
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One can say the same |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 02:37 PM |
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Business want to 'stay competitive' |
kirby |
Jan-30-08 02:42 PM |
#103 |
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Point by Point |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 02:53 PM |
#111 |
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Try Advertising |
Crisco |
Jan-30-08 04:51 PM |
#151 |
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And you can just live |
StarryNite |
Jan-30-08 02:35 PM |
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And you can live in a state where revolutaniory free speech is allowed |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 02:54 PM |
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Smoking bans are happening |
StarryNite |
Jan-30-08 03:18 PM |
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Sorry Charlie |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 04:37 PM |
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My name isn't Charlie... |
StarryNite |
Jan-30-08 04:54 PM |
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good point n/t |
Caoimhe |
Jan-30-08 06:19 PM |
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You dont have to take a test or obtain a license to drink/smoke |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 08:50 PM |
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The majority is not always right |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 02:13 PM |
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The majority is not always wrong either... |
kirby |
Jan-30-08 02:36 PM |
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Smokers makes a choice - why should those of us who choose not to smoke suffer? |
LynneSin |
Jan-30-08 01:57 PM |
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My Great-grandfather who never smoked died of lung cancer. |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Jan-30-08 02:05 PM |
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My grandfather was an invalid for 15 years with emphysema from smoking |
kwassa |
Jan-30-08 02:09 PM |
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That's sad |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Jan-30-08 02:18 PM |
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because smoking is an addictive source of fatal disease easily eradicated. |
kwassa |
Jan-30-08 02:21 PM |
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Wrong thread... |
kirby |
Jan-30-08 02:29 PM |
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My grand-father smoked till he died at 85, and did not die of lung |
madinmaryland |
Jan-30-08 02:13 PM |
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Oh that lovely strawman |
LynneSin |
Jan-30-08 02:13 PM |
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Great post. And, dead on. |
Midlodemocrat |
Jan-30-08 02:14 PM |
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You're clever... I'm sure you can find someone to blame |
LanternWaste |
Jan-30-08 03:08 PM |
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So did The |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 02:16 PM |
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Cigarettes serve no positive social purpose. None. |
kwassa |
Jan-30-08 02:19 PM |
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Neither does weed, alcohol, pornography, .... |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 02:23 PM |
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Exactly. I just want people to acknowledge the duplicity of their Angst Against Smoke |
temeah |
Jan-30-08 02:28 PM |
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I don't think that the smoke from weed contains |
LanternWaste |
Jan-30-08 03:10 PM |
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Fact.. |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 04:39 PM |
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But those can be used healthfully in moderation. Smoking can't. |
kwassa |
Jan-30-08 02:29 PM |
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Really? |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 02:35 PM |
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oh, I am sure that outweighs the 400,000 that die from smoking-related illnesses each year |
kwassa |
Jan-30-08 02:41 PM |
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Well you said alchol can be enjoyed in moderation |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 03:06 PM |
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All other things being equal, what you mentioned are not addictive. |
LanternWaste |
Jan-30-08 03:10 PM |
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Youre kidding right |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 03:27 PM |
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Again, Not True (Porn is Questionable) |
Crisco |
Jan-30-08 04:54 PM |
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That's Not True At All |
Crisco |
Jan-30-08 04:53 PM |
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What about the 100,000,000 people in this country |
madinmaryland |
Jan-30-08 02:26 PM |
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Chance are if youre in a town with only one resturant |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 02:39 PM |
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I guess what you are trying to say is that the almighty dollar |
madinmaryland |
Jan-30-08 02:47 PM |
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No but thanks for playing.. |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 02:57 PM |
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Well, I'll leave it that we have fundamental difference. |
madinmaryland |
Jan-30-08 03:07 PM |
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Well |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 03:15 PM |
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It's funny how all these people whine about smoking bans |
alarimer |
Jan-30-08 05:04 PM |
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One is too many. But here are the facts: |
Lorien |
Jan-30-08 02:28 PM |
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Thanks Lorien for posting this information. |
madinmaryland |
Jan-30-08 02:49 PM |
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Well, I'm afraid the facts won't matter to a lot of people |
Lorien |
Jan-30-08 08:20 PM |
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49,400 each year. See above post. n/t |
Lorien |
Jan-30-08 02:33 PM |
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Yea not to mention |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 01:40 PM |
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Huh? |
kirby |
Jan-30-08 01:44 PM |
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Everything can be a public health issue |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 01:51 PM |
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The slippery slope argument... |
kirby |
Jan-30-08 01:54 PM |
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No it just means we dont crap on a freedom to make us all better |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 02:06 PM |
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As a smoker, I'm crapping on the freedoms |
LanternWaste |
Jan-30-08 03:14 PM |
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A couple of points about your arguments: |
madinmaryland |
Jan-30-08 02:00 PM |
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Picking at nits |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 02:07 PM |
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Not sure what your response is to my first comment and |
madinmaryland |
Jan-30-08 02:19 PM |
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To clarify |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 02:25 PM |
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My point is, which you don't seem to get, |
madinmaryland |
Jan-30-08 02:35 PM |
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Nope I made a choice not to |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 02:40 PM |
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What's the ratio of food addicts to nicotine addicts? |
LanternWaste |
Jan-30-08 03:15 PM |
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Personally I think going after fatty foods isn't a bad idea. |
LynneSin |
Jan-30-08 02:17 PM |
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I don't have a problem going after fatty foods, |
madinmaryland |
Jan-30-08 02:20 PM |
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Some how I did not think you would |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 02:26 PM |
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Facism of the diet ? Are you calling us Diet Facists? |
kwassa |
Jan-30-08 02:33 PM |
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Oh that name will never do for marketing |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 02:43 PM |
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well, about 30% of cancers are related to diet, says the CDC |
kwassa |
Jan-30-08 02:50 PM |
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So 100% of those |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 02:58 PM |
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because it runs up health insurance premiums for everyone, making it unaffordable for many |
kwassa |
Jan-30-08 03:06 PM |
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Well if thats the case |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 03:13 PM |
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Eating is voluntary behavior, and genetics are involuntary. |
kwassa |
Jan-30-08 03:17 PM |
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Ahhh but who you breed with *is* voulntary... |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 03:18 PM |
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and what is your point? |
kwassa |
Jan-30-08 03:21 PM |
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But |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 04:41 PM |
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You say cable TV is worse than second-hand smoke for your children? |
kwassa |
Jan-30-08 02:01 PM |
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Well... Because you *really* want to see it |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 02:11 PM |
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oh please ... |
kwassa |
Jan-30-08 02:26 PM |
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So its a metter of degree? |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 02:28 PM |
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hey, you compared cable TV to smoking, not me! |
kwassa |
Jan-30-08 02:30 PM |
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Can you answer the question then... |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 02:44 PM |
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Smoking is a huge proven health risk. Cable TV is not. |
kwassa |
Jan-30-08 02:52 PM |
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You dont think voilent stupid kids are a health risk |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 02:55 PM |
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um, there are no measurements in that quote of yours. |
kwassa |
Jan-30-08 03:08 PM |
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So cable teevee is responsible for over a quarter million |
LanternWaste |
Jan-30-08 03:16 PM |
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It's already happening... California City Approves Outdoor Smoking Ban |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Jan-30-08 02:09 PM |
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All other things being equal... |
LanternWaste |
Jan-30-08 03:12 PM |
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Sex in public is legal.. |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-30-08 04:43 PM |
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As a smoker... |
skypilot |
Jan-30-08 01:37 PM |
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Nice post, Big Nanny Brother |
temeah |
Jan-30-08 01:41 PM |
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I will have you know.. |
turtlensue |
Jan-30-08 01:57 PM |
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When will people learn that the coolness of a bar depends upon 4 things: |
temeah |
Jan-30-08 02:09 PM |
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I'm going to be completely honest here |
turtlensue |
Jan-30-08 04:52 PM |
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I'll be on my bunk |
temeah |
Jan-30-08 05:05 PM |
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Hey, wait a second there Snyder! |
madinmaryland |
Jan-30-08 02:17 PM |
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i hope it happens in every state. |
sweets |
Jan-30-08 01:42 PM |
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Wow, Ohio beat Maryland in protecting public health? |
Deep13 |
Jan-30-08 01:46 PM |
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Parts of MD have had this for years |
turtlensue |
Jan-30-08 01:58 PM |
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Howard County went smokeless three years ago. |
madinmaryland |
Jan-30-08 02:01 PM |
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Been like that in California the past 10 years - what took MD so long? |
devilgrrl |
Jan-30-08 01:47 PM |
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Big Tobacco... |
kirby |
Jan-30-08 01:50 PM |
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MD has the HIGHEST tobacco tax in the country |
turtlensue |
Jan-30-08 05:02 PM |
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Rock On!!!!!!111 |
Southpawkicker |
Jan-30-08 01:48 PM |
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Wish Pennsylvania's stupid legislature would catch up |
RamboLiberal |
Jan-30-08 01:52 PM |
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As promised in your Lounge thread, I'm officially flaming you. |
dbaker41 |
Jan-30-08 01:52 PM |
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Flame away all you want! OUTSIDE!!1!! |
madinmaryland |
Jan-30-08 01:53 PM |
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Gladly! |
dbaker41 |
Jan-30-08 01:57 PM |
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When is Skinner going to make a Smoking Section (dungeon)? |
stimbox |
Jan-30-08 01:57 PM |
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LOL That would be a cool place (like the Lounge). And non-smoker DUers would want to be |
temeah |
Jan-30-08 02:06 PM |
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The cool DUers ARE the non smokers. |
Midlodemocrat |
Jan-30-08 02:17 PM |
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But I'm a non-smoker AND non-mercer |
LynneSin |
Jan-30-08 02:18 PM |
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Half-cool, of course. |
kwassa |
Jan-30-08 02:27 PM |
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... |
temeah |
Jan-30-08 02:24 PM |
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OMGz teh facism! |
IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge |
Jan-30-08 02:09 PM |
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I must say... there's nothing like a good Hate the Smokers thread to take my mind off of Edwards |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Jan-30-08 02:19 PM |
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As long as they don't have an inhaling law, I don't care |
no name no slogan |
Jan-30-08 02:30 PM |
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Bill? Is that you? n/t |
kirby |
Jan-30-08 02:31 PM |
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Cool - Maryland just became a little nicer! |
El Pinko |
Jan-30-08 02:57 PM |
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Yee HAW! |
jhain |
Jan-30-08 03:25 PM |
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My mom died from smoking related health issues 4 months ago |
Caoimhe |
Jan-30-08 03:51 PM |
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I'm so sorry for your loss, and for what you endured as a child |
Lorien |
Jan-30-08 08:28 PM |
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Thankyou and I am the same way. |
Caoimhe |
Jan-31-08 05:09 PM |
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Here's some info on the portable air filters: |
Lorien |
Jan-31-08 06:18 PM |
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Great, now lets go after the assholes that wear perfumed products in public. |
Mugu |
Jan-30-08 04:22 PM |
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I have not heard of any perfume that kills people by the thousands that don't |
madinmaryland |
Jan-30-08 09:23 PM |
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Hooray for a restriction of freedom that closes businesses!! |
Snarkturian Clone |
Jan-30-08 04:35 PM |
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Name removed |
Jan-30-08 09:21 PM |
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Great reply! |
neverforget |
Jan-30-08 10:12 PM |
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What greed? |
Snarkturian Clone |
Jan-31-08 06:25 AM |
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. |
Midlodemocrat |
Jan-31-08 06:29 AM |
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Congrats! Illinois' took effect the 1st of the year, and it's great! |
mycritters2 |
Jan-30-08 04:43 PM |
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Looks like we have the semi annual thread about smoking again. |
anitar1 |
Jan-30-08 04:52 PM |
#153 |