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How many people are aware of the attempted coup in the u.s. during the great depression?
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Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 08:48 AM by QuestionAll
i've got to admit- it was news to me.


In the summer of 1933, shortly after Roosevelt's "First 100 Days," America's richest businessmen were in a panic. It was clear that Roosevelt intended to conduct a massive redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor. Roosevelt had to be stopped at all costs. The answer was a military coup. It was to be secretly financed and organized by leading officers of the Morgan and Du Pont empires. This included some of America's richest and most famous names of the time:

* Irenee Du Pont - Right-wing chemical industrialist and founder of the American Liberty League, the organization assigned to execute the plot.
* Grayson Murphy - Director of Goodyear, Bethlehem Steel and a group of J.P. Morgan banks.
* William Doyle - Former state commander of the American Legion and a central plotter of the coup.
* John Davis - Former Democratic presidential candidate and a senior attorney for J.P. Morgan.
* Al Smith - Roosevelt's bitter political foe from New York. Smith was a former governor of New York and a codirector of the American Liberty League.
* John J. Raskob - A high-ranking Du Pont officer and a former chairman of the Democratic Party. In later decades, Raskob would become a "Knight of Malta," a Roman Catholic Religious Order with a high percentage of CIA spies, including CIA Directors William Casey, William Colby and John McCone.
* Robert Clark - One of Wall Street's richest bankers and stockbrokers.
* Gerald MacGuire - Bond salesman for Clark, and a former commander of the Connecticut American Legion. MacGuire was the key recruiter to General Butler.

The plotters attempted to recruit General Smedley Butler to lead the coup. They selected him because he was a war hero who was popular with the troops. The plotters felt his good reputation was important to make the troops feel confident that they were doing the right thing by overthrowing a democratically elected president. However, this was a mistake: Butler was popular with the troops because he identified with them. That is, he was a man of the people, not the elite. When the plotters approached General Butler with their proposal to lead the coup, he pretended to go along with the plan at first, secretly deciding to betray it to Congress at the right moment.

What the businessmen proposed was dramatic: they wanted General Butler to deliver an ultimatum to Roosevelt. Roosevelt would pretend to become sick and incapacitated from his polio, and allow a newly created cabinet officer, a "Secretary of General Affairs," to run things in his stead. The secretary, of course, would be carrying out the orders of Wall Street. If Roosevelt refused, then General Butler would force him out with an army of 500,000 war veterans from the American Legion. But MacGuire assured Butler the cover story would work:

"You know the American people will swallow that. We have got the newspapers. We will start a campaign that the President's health is failing. Everyone can tell that by looking at him, and the dumb American people will fall for it in a second"

The businessmen also promised that money was no object: Clark told Butler that he would spend half his $60 million fortune to save the other half...

"we have got the newspapers" yeah, just like in 2000 and 2004. thanks for signing that telecom act, mr. clinton.

oh, and how did it al end? with the coup plotters in jail?
of course not- this is AMERICA...

...In fact, the Committee whitewashed the public version of its final report, deleting the names of powerful businessmen whose reputations they sought to protect. The most likely reason for this response is that Wall Street had undue influence in Congress also. Even more alarming, the elite-controlled media failed to pick up on the story, and even today the incident remains little known. The elite managed to spin the story as nothing more than the rumors and hearsay of Butler and French, even though Butler was a Quaker of unimpeachable honesty and integrity. Butler, appalled by the cover-up, went on national radio to denounce it, but with little success.
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  -How many people are aware of the attempted coup in the u.s. during the great depression? QuestionAll  Jan-29-08 08:45 AM   #0 
  - Wasn't Prescott Bush involved in that coup attempt?  TechBear_Seattle   Jan-29-08 08:47 AM   #1 
  - Yep. Grandpa Prescott was going to be Ambassador to Nazi Germany  tom_paine   Jan-29-08 08:51 AM   #4 
     - This reminds me what they're doing to Clinton RIGHT NOW  neutron   Jan-29-08 01:56 PM   #19 
     - The thing that bothers me is that it was never brought up in 2000.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Jan-29-08 01:59 PM   #22 
  - We should have a Gen. Smedley Butler day  underpants   Jan-29-08 08:48 AM   #2 
  - Sounds like a splended idea. Perhaps the first Monday before SOTU ?  havocmom   Jan-29-08 08:52 AM   #6 
  - His birthday is July 30th  underpants   Jan-29-08 09:39 AM   #8 
  - His name would have been forgotten except that he objected to  tsuki   Jan-29-08 01:53 PM   #17 
  - What an excellent idea! He sure needs to be better known  annabanana   Jan-29-08 06:12 PM   #27 
  - Am aware of that little chapter of our history.  havocmom   Jan-29-08 08:50 AM   #3 
  - Gone to graveyards, every one  GliderGuider   Jan-29-08 09:21 AM   #7 
  - They failed then, but they succeeded in 2000...n/t  Virginia Dare   Jan-29-08 08:51 AM   #5 
  - Isn't that the truth. K&R and bookmarked. n/t  timeforarevolution   Jan-29-08 09:40 AM   #9 
  - And, in 2002 - 2004, all demonstration elections in the purest form. n/t  flashl   Jan-29-08 09:45 AM   #10 
  - Is that in Zinn's "People's History"?  wtmusic   Jan-29-08 10:16 AM   #11 
  - no, it doesn't come up...  QuestionAll   Jan-29-08 01:48 PM   #13 
  - I do, but you are right, most folks are not  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-29-08 10:18 AM   #12 
  - civics isn't generally taught anymore either, let alone being required...  QuestionAll   Jan-29-08 01:49 PM   #14 
  - HARPERS: 1934: The Plot Against America  mod mom   Jan-29-08 01:50 PM   #15 
  - BBC Radio Report: The Whitehouse Coup  mod mom   Jan-29-08 01:52 PM   #16 
  - And George Walker. nt  tsuki   Jan-29-08 01:55 PM   #18 
     - I read somewhere that the Great Depression was an effort by the same robber barons  mod mom   Jan-29-08 01:56 PM   #20 
  - Better question....  Kansas Wyatt   Jan-29-08 01:58 PM   #21 
  - It sounds like it was a conspiracy to commit a coup.  igil   Jan-29-08 02:08 PM   #23 
  - It's true, although there are some serious glaring errors in that version.  cobalt1999   Jan-29-08 02:15 PM   #24 
  - hearst had a pretty sizable fortune to protect as well...  QuestionAll   Jan-29-08 04:57 PM   #25 
  - FYI. Hearst tried to hire Mussolini to write for him. He succeeded in  happydreams   Jan-29-08 08:57 PM   #30 
  - Gee! THIS isn't in my kid's Social Studies book. . . . . .  annabanana   Jan-29-08 04:58 PM   #26 
  - This time it's the entire corporate cabal staging the coup, and  Texas Explorer   Jan-29-08 06:15 PM   #28 
  - I don't think I was aware of it  TheCentepedeShoes   Jan-29-08 06:25 PM   #29 

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