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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 10:24 PM
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9. The complexity of this universe isn't dependent on previous Big Bang misfires
There's no reason to believe that our universe could not have resulted from a single big bang event, versus finally getting it all together after several. The odds of flipping 'heads' on a coin toss are still 50-50 after the second flip or the millionth.
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  -Need debate help - Creationism, Occam's Razor johnaries  Feb-23-07 10:03 PM   #0 
  - how in the hell does natural selection seem more complicated than  youngdem   Feb-23-07 10:08 PM   #1 
  - Oh, we're way past Natural Selection. we both agree on NS.  johnaries   Feb-23-07 10:24 PM   #11 
  - I would say neither, only because neither is a simple answer, BUT  unpossibles   Feb-23-07 10:11 PM   #2 
  - I Grok! Actually I referenced Heinlein's Number of the Beast  johnaries   Feb-23-07 10:38 PM   #15 
     - I could agree with the lack of paradox  unpossibles   Feb-24-07 09:37 AM   #39 
  - I vote for #3  The Straight Story   Feb-23-07 10:11 PM   #3 
  - My Problem With The Big Bang, Though I Do Believe In It, Is That It Starts Too Late.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-23-07 10:17 PM   #4 
  - There's more data piling up that would suggest the steady state  Warpy   Feb-23-07 10:20 PM   #7 
  - Yet Still Has No Beginning.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-23-07 10:23 PM   #8 
     - I know, I wish I'd paid more attention to higher math  Warpy   Feb-23-07 10:26 PM   #12 
     - Of All The Universal Mysteries Wanna Know The One I've Obsessed About For Years?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-23-07 10:30 PM   #13 
        - You and Tesla  Warpy   Feb-23-07 10:34 PM   #14 
        - Forgive Me, Do You Mean Nikola Tesla?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-23-07 10:39 PM   #16 
           - Tesla is one of those people who got screwed over by U.S. history  walldude   Feb-23-07 10:47 PM   #20 
              - Cool. Thanks! (I'm A Bowie Fan Too, So That's Even Cooler LOL)  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-23-07 10:50 PM   #22 
              - Yeah and you won't be dissapointeed in the movie either  walldude   Feb-23-07 10:57 PM   #23 
                 - LOVED Memento. Thought It Was Absolutely Brilliant.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-23-07 10:59 PM   #24 
                 - Don't apologize for the hijack, we were talking about that movie  johnaries   Feb-23-07 11:06 PM   #28 
              - Well yeah... a great movie and performance!  JackRiddler   Feb-24-07 06:46 AM   #35 
              - One of, if not the, greatest minds humanity has ever produced.  greyhound1966   Feb-24-07 07:08 AM   #37 
        - Yep, perhaps the greatest mystery. An attractive force that is not  johnaries   Feb-23-07 10:49 PM   #21 
     - but could you not also say the same for God?  unpossibles   Feb-24-07 09:39 AM   #40 
  - And The Creation Story is so eminently logical, because "God's" origin is easily explained.  impeachdubya   Feb-24-07 05:43 AM   #33 
     - great post and thanks for the cool link. n/t  unpossibles   Feb-24-07 09:44 AM   #42 
  - who created the  benddem   Feb-23-07 10:17 PM   #5 
  - Obviously, "God did it" is the simplest and most straightforward  Warpy   Feb-23-07 10:18 PM   #6 
  - The complexity of this universe isn't dependent on previous Big Bang misfires  IDemo   Feb-23-07 10:24 PM   #9 
  - Neither, Or Both  iamjoy   Feb-23-07 10:24 PM   #10 
  - Your freind is right about Occams Razor favoring the  walldude   Feb-23-07 10:40 PM   #17 
  - There are more than 2 possible theories.  LibInTexas   Feb-23-07 10:44 PM   #18 
  - Occam's Razor isn't a principle; it isn't even scientific.  provis99   Feb-23-07 10:46 PM   #19 
  - True, although it is an acceptable debate technique. But,  johnaries   Feb-23-07 11:01 PM   #25 
  - Yeah, I was going to say...  JackRiddler   Feb-24-07 06:43 AM   #34 
  - sounds like a discussion in favor of reincarnation to me since the bible  msongs   Feb-23-07 11:01 PM   #26 
  - Wait a minute, who IS the main character in the Bible?  johnaries   Feb-23-07 11:12 PM   #29 
  - Look at it this way: If the simplest solution were usually true  ComerPerro   Feb-23-07 11:05 PM   #27 
  - You have already made Occam's Razor invalid in this debate.  LostInAnomie   Feb-23-07 11:15 PM   #30 
  - I he proposing a creator that is also present in this universe, or one purely outside it?  muriel_volestrangler   Feb-24-07 05:10 AM   #31 
  - Saying "Nothing can happen unless a creator made it-- uh, except the creator" isn't logic. nt  impeachdubya   Feb-24-07 05:39 AM   #32 
  - I have my own theory and its simple to understand for those who arent sure.  Larry Ogg   Feb-24-07 06:47 AM   #36 
  - If Occam's razor is the criteria, I don't see how creation can even be considered.  greyhound1966   Feb-24-07 07:15 AM   #38 
  - among the two choices offered  MonkeyFunk   Feb-24-07 09:40 AM   #41 
  - If you plan on using a concept of science to discuss a topic,  libertypirate   Feb-24-07 10:07 AM   #43 

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