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Reply #80: Cognitive dissonance: It's not just for breakfast anymore... [View All]

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warren pease (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jan-26-08 02:21 PM
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80. Cognitive dissonance: It's not just for breakfast anymore...
Odd that you'd cite media obsession with the upcoming elections as evidence that we're just rolling in personal freedom. I'd argue that watching the media's evolving role in campaign and election coverage, and transcending neutrality by actually influencing the outcome, provides ample evidence of just the opposite. In maybe 50 years, they've completed the transition from reporters of objective fact to gatekeepers and promoters of official orthodoxy.

But even that wasn't enough to justify the huge sums of money corporate America has spent since 1996 to buy its own alternative universe. So in 2000 and 2004, they assumed a new activist role in determining the eventual "winner" by proclaiming a Bush victory out front; containing, suppressing or ridiculing all contrary information; then forcing the Gore camp to make its case with its credibility already undermined by the "infallibility" the public ascribes to the mighty media Wurlitzer. Goebbels and Bernays couldn't have done it any better.

The role of the "free press" as a check on the excesses of the rich and powerful -- which is what the founders had in mind when they ratified the First Amendment -- no longer exists except in small, local, independent papers, radio stations and community access TV.

Now, in its new role as champion of the status quo, PR firm for the aristocracy and official ministry of propaganda for the unholy marriage of right wing politicians and their corporate love-children, the "free press" is there at the outset of all major election campaigns to weed out any hint of progressive ideology, keep progressives muzzled and off camera and actively promote only the most vanilla, corporate-approved, useless degenerates of the bunch.

As you note, "In fascism, there is no debate about who the next leader will be." In sharp contrast, I suppose, to our free and open system in which all candidates enjoy public funding and equal media access and where mass media respects and accurately reports on every candidate's views on the issues.

One way to pick leaders in a fascist society is to physically, psychologically and spiritually intimidate people into accepting anyone who's shoved down their throats. Another is to limit their options to the finalists who represent the two factions of the Business Party. Just as in the other method, this keeps the status quo safe for another four years, this time by making sure there's only a superficial difference between the choices mass media has shoved down their throats. The outcome is the same; the second method is just slicker, less obviously totalitarian and doesn't tend to make people crazy, unproductive and useless as drones and debt slaves.

And if you actually believe that there's a lick of difference between Ms. Clinton and Mr. McCain or Mr. Romney when it comes to their unwavering commitment to corporate values and steadfast opposition to anything that might benefit actual humans at the expense of corporate profits, then I've got to assume that history and cognition aren't your strong suits. You might care to have a look at opensecrets.org and follow the dollars for a while. Better yet, have a look at Hillary's idea of health care reform.

Like it or not, we no longer live in a democratic republic based on Constitutional law, the will of the people and 220 years of legal precedent. There is no due process; there is no habeas; there is no right to counsel; there is no right to privacy; there is no right to speak your mind; there is no prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment; there is no right to a speedy trial by jury. (See my post #22 for details and links.)

This is the reality of America v2.0. Just because the enforcers aren't wearing black uniforms decorated with swastikas and lightening bolts and goose-stepping down the Unter den Linden; just because Leni Reifenstahl's granddaughter isn't filming the sequel to "Triumph of the Will" and the boxcars are still carrying freight; just because oppression is still partly concealed under a peeling veneer of liberty while most people flatly refuse to pay any fucking attention at all... Just because the jackboot has yet to kick in my door, I'm not naive enough to believe that it can't happen here.

I look at the massive power the executive branch has accumulated since 2001 -- with the complete complicity of congress and an uncritical mass media -- and I can only draw one conclusion: all the pieces are in place to lock down this country like a time vault. They're just not fully operational yet.

Maybe they never will be, although the overlords have gone through a hell of a lot of trouble to build a legal and physical infrastructure that can really serve only one purpose. The Cheneys of the world don't strike me as the type to do stuff like this just for fun.


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  Do you realize that you are living in a Fascist Country? messiah  Jan-25-08 08:56 PM   #0 
   this isn't a fascist country  paulk   Jan-25-08 09:00 PM   #1 
   Friendly Facism but  messiah   Jan-25-08 09:08 PM   #6 
   Having grown up in one what WAS... yes, yes it is  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-25-08 10:09 PM   #16 
   Nadin,,  nightrider767   Jan-26-08 01:10 AM   #32 
   Of course it is  TOJ   Jan-25-08 11:45 PM   #25 
   there are clearly forces that would wish a fascist state here  paulk   Jan-26-08 12:31 AM   #26 
   how would you label the fact that:  elias7   Jan-26-08 10:52 AM   #62 
      the obvious examples are Italy and Germany circa WW 2  paulk   Jan-26-08 11:30 AM   #68 
         Perhaps in a nuanced discussion you are right, but that is no comfort to me  elias7   Jan-26-08 03:07 PM   #81 
   Well put, TOJ - sounds like fascism to me, too. nt  gateley   Jan-26-08 01:14 AM   #34 
   Wow, what a compelling argument. nm  rhett o rick   Jan-26-08 01:19 AM   #36 
   One would have to be blind not to reconize fascism here in the  0007   Jan-26-08 03:08 AM   #40 
   Since we don't have concentration camps, but ain't fascist  mdmc   Jan-26-08 03:58 AM   #43 
   See the signs everywhere.. Just need my subsidized home now in  glowing   Jan-25-08 09:00 PM   #2 
   One has to look past the dogs and ponies, smoke and mirrors,  rzemanfl   Jan-25-08 09:01 PM   #3 
   Yes! I do.  wildbilln864   Jan-25-08 09:01 PM   #4 
   It's so pervasive, it's nearly invisible.  Bright Eyes   Jan-25-08 09:02 PM   #5 
   Yep, the sky is falling  cosmik debris   Jan-25-08 09:09 PM   #7 
   As a fellow student of history  conscious evolution   Jan-26-08 09:25 AM   #52 
      LOL! Your appeal to authority doesn't impress me.  cosmik debris   Jan-26-08 10:21 AM   #57 
      So you look at an election as your proof that fascism isn't here?  Zodiak Ironfist   Jan-26-08 10:32 AM   #59 
      Woo woo to the nth degree. n/t  cosmik debris   Jan-26-08 10:35 AM   #60 
      I do understand fascism  conscious evolution   Jan-26-08 10:47 AM   #61 
      Perhaps you would point out which fascists voluntarily  cosmik debris   Jan-26-08 10:55 AM   #63 
         Ever heard of evolution?  conscious evolution   Jan-26-08 11:12 AM   #64 
            So you can't provide even the simplest proof  cosmik debris   Jan-26-08 11:18 AM   #66 
               You really don't know what evolution means do you?  conscious evolution   Jan-26-08 11:23 AM   #67 
                  I know more about evolution than you know about fascism.  cosmik debris   Jan-26-08 11:31 AM   #69 
                     Still don't get it do you?  conscious evolution   Jan-26-08 11:55 AM   #70 
                        Examples! I'm still waiting for examples. (you've got nothing)  cosmik debris   Jan-26-08 12:04 PM   #71 
                           Like I say  conscious evolution   Jan-26-08 12:44 PM   #72 
                              Sorry, you still have nothing.  cosmik debris   Jan-26-08 01:10 PM   #75 
                                 Thats all you got  conscious evolution   Jan-26-08 01:54 PM   #79 
      Cognitive dissonance: It's not just for breakfast anymore...  warren pease   Jan-26-08 02:21 PM   #80 
      I was wondering when that word was going to be used here  Zodiak Ironfist   Jan-26-08 10:27 AM   #58 
         The best defense  conscious evolution   Jan-26-08 11:15 AM   #65 
   That's what the pro-life people say. We've murdered millions just like Nazi Germany.  GodlessBiker   Jan-25-08 09:18 PM   #8 
   A Nazi is a Nazi a Fascist is a Fascist  messiah   Jan-25-08 09:32 PM   #12 
   But a Nazi is a fascist.  GodlessBiker   Jan-25-08 09:38 PM   #14 
      Nazism was a particularly extreme variety of fascism  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-26-08 09:57 AM   #56 
   But you HAVE murdered millions.  BB1   Jan-26-08 06:31 AM   #47 
   The times they are a changin'  Loge23   Jan-25-08 09:18 PM   #9 
   Link for those needing to catch up: Friendly Fascism...Bertram Goss  Lars39   Jan-25-08 09:23 PM   #10 
   Yes, Friendly Fascism is recommended reading. It's here folks.  stimbox   Jan-26-08 01:27 AM   #38 
   No. Know Why? Cause Of This Pesky Little Thing That's Always Buzzin Around, Called Reality.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jan-25-08 09:30 PM   #11 
   Let's not be so dogmatic that we deny the "spirit" beyond the OP, ok?  Bonobo   Jan-25-08 11:27 PM   #21 
   If he were surrounded by pot smoke  tabasco   Jan-25-08 11:45 PM   #24 
   Watch this OMC and Naomi Wolf will tell  mmonk   Jan-26-08 06:53 AM   #48 
   close enough  Two Americas   Jan-25-08 09:33 PM   #13 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-25-08 09:48 PM   #15 
   Why is a building  Thothmes   Jan-25-08 11:06 PM   #17 
   Yes, a Musolini Corporatist fascist State  davekriss   Jan-25-08 11:21 PM   #18 
   That's exactly what we have nt  donheld   Jan-26-08 05:53 AM   #45 
   Yes. It is a sliding scale, not black/white.  Bonobo   Jan-25-08 11:23 PM   #19 
   No, b/c we're not...  bicentennial_baby   Jan-25-08 11:26 PM   #20 
   New, improved: It's fascism with a smirk...  warren pease   Jan-25-08 11:29 PM   #22 
   Anyone who's been homeless knows  Jed Dilligan   Jan-25-08 11:32 PM   #23 
   yep  Swamp Rat   Jan-26-08 12:33 AM   #27 
      My friend said the same thing about his quantitative methods  Jed Dilligan   Jan-26-08 12:38 AM   #30 
   But where's the snazzy uniforms? The kick-ass knee high boots?  smalll   Jan-26-08 12:34 AM   #28 
   Check the military....  nightrider767   Jan-26-08 01:12 AM   #33 
   Yes. But then again, I'm posting though a time-warp from Italy in 1936.  Occam Bandage   Jan-26-08 12:35 AM   #29 
   This is fascist country  davekriss   Jan-26-08 12:40 AM   #31 
   Yes.....  Mind_your_head   Jan-26-08 01:14 AM   #35 
   To paraphrase Naomi Klein on a recent interview...  D23MIURG23   Jan-26-08 01:26 AM   #37 
   Excellent point...  AntiFascist   Jan-26-08 06:23 AM   #46 
   YES I see it all around me.  Vincardog   Jan-26-08 02:49 AM   #39 
   Seems like this is most appropriate to this thread...  Kip Humphrey   Jan-26-08 03:40 AM   #41 
   Why, no — no, I don't  Oeditpus Rex   Jan-26-08 03:49 AM   #42 
   Unevenly distributed.  RuleOfNah   Jan-26-08 04:55 AM   #44 
   A coup has occurred.  mmonk   Jan-26-08 06:55 AM   #49 
   Never underestimate the power of denial  Echo In Light   Jan-26-08 07:36 AM   #50 
   I read Naomi Wolf's book, "The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot"  mnhtnbb   Jan-26-08 07:37 AM   #51 
   If it was truly fascist would you be able to make your OP?  taterguy   Jan-26-08 09:29 AM   #53 
   Old-style, no  treestar   Jan-26-08 09:32 AM   #54 
      Exactly. The totalitarian infrastructure isn't in place sans intentions of using it more overtly  Echo In Light   Jan-26-08 12:46 PM   #73 
      If a frog had wings he wouldn't go bumpity bump on his ass  taterguy   Jan-26-08 06:52 PM   #83 
   Yes.  LWolf   Jan-26-08 09:33 AM   #55 
   How can you call it fascist when we have so many cereals from which to choose?!  Swamp Rat   Jan-26-08 12:52 PM   #74 
   We have the highest incarceration rate in the civilized world  killbotfactory   Jan-26-08 01:22 PM   #76 
   The signs are definitely all around us.  frogmarch   Jan-26-08 01:32 PM   #77 
   I've Realized It For A Very Long Time  zorahopkins   Jan-26-08 01:45 PM   #78 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-26-08 06:23 PM   #82 
   No. Because I'm not.  Fierce   Jan-26-08 06:55 PM   #84 
 

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