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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 06:49 PM
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40. There is also a housing issue
A lot of poor people don't have functioning kitchens, not to mention cooking skills.
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  -If society has "issues" with food stamps for poor people, there IS a better way SoCalDem  Jan-25-08 05:23 PM   #0 
  - Well said!  vpilot   Jan-25-08 05:30 PM   #1 
  - I know that schools feed kids, but some of the "food" at schools  SoCalDem   Jan-25-08 05:35 PM   #3 
     - Actually, alot of the food in my son's school is so "healthy" but unseasoned  Ilsa   Jan-25-08 08:44 PM   #106 
     - I've long predicted that the healthier the school menu  truedelphi   Jan-26-08 01:41 PM   #140 
     - At our highschool, everyday we have: Pizza, fries, hamburgers, and chicken sandwiches  TheFriendlyAnarchist   Jan-26-08 04:56 PM   #169 
  - SoCalDem why are you trying to use logic?  MadMaddie   Jan-25-08 05:35 PM   #2 
  - and think of all that diabetes medicine they couldn't sell down the road?  SoCalDem   Jan-25-08 05:36 PM   #4 
     - There ya go.  MadMaddie   Jan-27-08 01:53 PM   #215 
  - I'm not sure I understand what you are advocating  kdmorris   Jan-25-08 05:37 PM   #5 
  - Remember this:  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Jan-25-08 05:43 PM   #7 
  - I can't speak for the OP poster, but  Mike03   Jan-25-08 05:44 PM   #8 
  - Yes, that makes sense.  kdmorris   Jan-25-08 05:55 PM   #14 
  - I worked for many years in the grocery business and I saw  SoCalDem   Jan-25-08 05:46 PM   #10 
     - I couldn't agree more  Mike03   Jan-25-08 06:01 PM   #17 
     - That's it exactly.. our government "gives" poor people a few play-money dollars  SoCalDem   Jan-25-08 06:08 PM   #21 
     - Yes, what we called "PC's" (personal care items) were in constant demand  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-25-08 06:02 PM   #18 
     - I am a "commie-pinko" bleeding heart softie  kdmorris   Jan-25-08 06:18 PM   #23 
     - Teaching us ALL is the best solution, but apparently we are all slow-learners  SoCalDem   Jan-25-08 06:23 PM   #27 
        - Well, now.. that is a good point  kdmorris   Jan-25-08 06:27 PM   #30 
           - Thank you, kd and socal  junofeb   Jan-26-08 06:45 PM   #182 
              - I am in a better situation now  kdmorris   Jan-26-08 08:53 PM   #201 
                 - A-men.  junofeb   Jan-26-08 09:38 PM   #207 
     - WIC and Food Assistance don't serve the same people  no name no slogan   Jan-25-08 07:07 PM   #51 
     - But.... It "could" be, and maybe it should be n/t  SoCalDem   Jan-25-08 07:31 PM   #64 
        - But then you'd have to call it something else. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Jan-26-08 12:26 PM   #129 
     - It's strange to me  1awake   Jan-25-08 07:40 PM   #73 
     - Welcome to DU.. glad to have you here  SoCalDem   Jan-25-08 07:45 PM   #77 
     - I swear that your name reminds me of a sensible RWer I used to argue with  Zodiak Ironfist   Jan-26-08 01:52 PM   #144 
     - Protein bars  me b zola   Jan-25-08 08:15 PM   #97 
  - Fantastic post. K and R, and NT  Mike03   Jan-25-08 05:39 PM   #6 
  - We were on WIC for a while. As I started reading your "real foods" list,  thereismore   Jan-25-08 05:44 PM   #9 
  - Exactly,.. those ARE the WIC foods..(I would expand the list)  SoCalDem   Jan-25-08 05:48 PM   #13 
  - This is such a crucial post  Mike03   Jan-25-08 05:47 PM   #11 
  - I was once an 'informed' snob.  CrispyQGirl   Jan-26-08 01:18 PM   #138 
  - I couldn't agree more  proud patriot   Jan-25-08 05:48 PM   #12 
  - Darn it, stop making sense  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Jan-25-08 06:01 PM   #15 
  - About the education points...  djohnson   Jan-25-08 06:01 PM   #16 
  - The educated also clean toilets. I have met them.  junofeb   Jan-26-08 06:54 PM   #185 
  - It's true.. and we need it to apply to those on the brink of losing it all.  glowing   Jan-25-08 06:03 PM   #19 
  - I think your ideas are great!  SeattleGirl   Jan-25-08 06:06 PM   #20 
  - An obvious omission is people should not have children unless they can support them. n/t  jody   Jan-25-08 06:15 PM   #22 
  - Most parents realize that AFTER they have the kids.. but  SoCalDem   Jan-25-08 06:18 PM   #24 
  - I support that however somehow society is failing in preventing unplanned pregnancies. n/t  jody   Jan-25-08 06:20 PM   #26 
  - That's hardly fair!  kdmorris   Jan-25-08 06:20 PM   #25 
  - "hardly fair"? Why should I pay for someone's intentional mistakes? I'll gladly share my meager  jody   Jan-25-08 06:25 PM   #28 
  - When "society" picks & chooses, it is no longer an "open society"  SoCalDem   Jan-25-08 06:31 PM   # 
  - And you are here as a Democrat?  kdmorris   Jan-25-08 06:31 PM   #32 
  - I've been a Democrat a long time. Are you here as a socialist? n/t  jody   Jan-25-08 06:35 PM   #34 
     - ROFL  kdmorris   Jan-25-08 06:40 PM   #36 
        - Sorry but a substantial portion of my income supports those who need help. n/t  jody   Jan-25-08 06:44 PM   #37 
           - Well, I can only assume that you  kdmorris   Jan-25-08 06:51 PM   #41 
           - If you believe all your taxes goes to the wealthy, then you really need to study how your government  jody   Jan-25-08 06:54 PM   #44 
              - Yep you're right.. I'm a freshman in high school  kdmorris   Jan-25-08 06:57 PM   #46 
                 - My you were sexually precocious. n/t  jody   Jan-25-08 07:01 PM   #48 
                    - Well, you want to start throwing around insults  kdmorris   Jan-25-08 07:04 PM   #49 
                    - You said "your tax income, that all goes to the wealthy". That statement is wrong as any intelligent  jody   Jan-25-08 07:08 PM   #52 
                       - That's true  kdmorris   Jan-25-08 07:28 PM   #60 
                          - "a substantial portion of my income supports those who need help" is correct because that includes  jody   Jan-25-08 07:30 PM   #63 
                             - I didn't "naively assume" anything  kdmorris   Jan-25-08 07:33 PM   #65 
                             - If you did not "naively assume" then you intentionally distorted and misrepresented what I wrote.  jody   Jan-25-08 07:35 PM   #67 
                                - Well, no, I didn't do that either.  kdmorris   Jan-25-08 07:39 PM   #71 
                             - oooooooohhhh good save.  ooglymoogly   Jan-26-08 05:03 PM   #170 
                             - What you believe is your personal problem. Have a nice day. n/t  jody   Jan-26-08 05:28 PM   #175 
                             - Given your view that po' folk shouldn't have kids...  lumberjack_jeff   Jan-26-08 05:11 PM   #171 
                                - Given your interest, you should match my donations. n/t  jody   Jan-26-08 05:29 PM   #176 
                                   - Then why is your spending out of alignment with your values?  lumberjack_jeff   Jan-26-08 06:41 PM   #181 
                                   - I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else. I said "22. An obvious omission is people should not  jody   Jan-26-08 06:48 PM   #183 
                                   - As the 'po' I say  junofeb   Jan-26-08 07:19 PM   #186 
                                      - My donations are to charities for which 90% go to the needy. Good point though and everyone  jody   Jan-26-08 08:20 PM   #196 
                    - My you were incredibly obnoxious. n/t  CreekDog   Jan-25-08 07:39 PM   #70 
           - A substantial portion of mine  conscious evolution   Jan-25-08 07:45 PM   #76 
              - I agree re the 1% of U.S. citizens who own about 50% of our financial wealth and control every  jody   Jan-26-08 06:52 PM   #184 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-25-08 06:36 PM   #35 
  - Wise decision, you chose to run and hide when you are unable to defend your assertions. n/t  jody   Jan-25-08 06:48 PM   #39 
  - Do you support a woman's right to choose?  bicentennial_baby   Jan-25-08 06:56 PM   #45 
  - Pro choice, yes, but I know there is a breaking point for society to support unwanted children.  jody   Jan-25-08 07:06 PM   #50 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-25-08 07:09 PM   #53 
     - Why do you assume that a poor person's children are unwanted? n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Jan-26-08 12:33 PM   #130 
        - I think he's making a statement that society doesn't want them  kdmorris   Jan-26-08 12:57 PM   #133 
        - (S)he should (and may very well be) speaking for him/herself.  lumberjack_jeff   Jan-26-08 02:10 PM   #148 
           - Yes, but because he's got a degree or several of them  kdmorris   Jan-26-08 03:42 PM   #165 
        - I did not say that. You should read more closely. n/t  jody   Jan-26-08 01:16 PM   #137 
           - Yes you did.  lumberjack_jeff   Jan-26-08 02:08 PM   #147 
              - No, I did not say that. I am talking about children born to parents who do not want them or  jody   Jan-26-08 02:16 PM   #150 
                 - Sheesh. It's like talking to my kid.  lumberjack_jeff   Jan-26-08 02:52 PM   #155 
                 - I'm talking about social programs that government would fund and support. Such programs must compete  jody   Jan-26-08 03:00 PM   #156 
                 - Yes, I believe they have such a right...  dajoki   Jan-26-08 06:06 PM   #178 
                    - You "believe they have such a right" and I don't. If such a right is 'inalienable/unalienable" then  jody   Jan-26-08 06:36 PM   #180 
                       - Not inalienable/unalienable, but Moral...  dajoki   Jan-26-08 07:59 PM   #192 
                          - I use inalienable/unalienable right because that has a specific meaning under our Constitution where  jody   Jan-26-08 08:12 PM   #194 
                             - I highly doubt that anyone living on welfare...  dajoki   Jan-26-08 08:43 PM   #199 
                                - What an individual believes is not relevant when lobbying society for welfare. You use the phrase  jody   Jan-26-08 09:13 PM   #205 
                                   - I believe it is clear...  dajoki   Jan-27-08 12:20 PM   #212 
                                      - I believe you missed my point. Government is obligated to protect inalienable/unalienable rights  jody   Jan-27-08 05:38 PM   #217 
                                         - I try to back up my words...  dajoki   Jan-27-08 07:01 PM   #219 
                                            - I understand. Have a good evening and may God bless you and yours.  jody   Jan-27-08 07:29 PM   #220 
                                            - Thank you and same to you n/t  dajoki   Jan-27-08 08:10 PM   #221 
                                            - Delete. Double Post.  dajoki   Jan-27-08 08:12 PM   #222 
  - you pay them because it helps the children who did not make any mistake by being born  CreekDog   Jan-25-08 07:38 PM   #69 
  - Yup.. one of our "best" customers showed up with food stamps  SoCalDem   Jan-25-08 06:27 PM   #29 
  - I support government programs for people as you describe. n/t  jody   Jan-25-08 06:46 PM   #38 
  - I work in social services, and you see all kinds  no name no slogan   Jan-25-08 07:43 PM   #75 
  - I "retired" in 1996, so I still saw the old ones. I'm glad they wnet to the card  SoCalDem   Jan-25-08 07:51 PM   #81 
     - I think they've helped a bit in that respect, plus a couple other ways too  no name no slogan   Jan-25-08 07:59 PM   #88 
     - The card is still in a glaring, obvious color as the stamps.  Progs Rock   Jan-27-08 05:31 AM   #211 
  - Yes and I once knew a woman............  rucognizant   Jan-26-08 06:32 PM   #179 
  - Life itself is hardly fair...  east texas lib   Jan-25-08 07:14 PM   #56 
     - I know it does  kdmorris   Jan-25-08 07:53 PM   #84 
        - Help the kids, Train the parents  east texas lib   Jan-25-08 09:08 PM   #110 
           - We seem to be saying the same thing, and yet, I feel like you are disagreeing with me  kdmorris   Jan-26-08 08:16 AM   #116 
              - As a matter of fact , she was 16 when i was concieved...  east texas lib   Jan-26-08 07:29 PM   #187 
                 - welcome to du  junofeb   Jan-26-08 07:44 PM   #189 
                 - Thank you for the welcome  east texas lib   Jan-26-08 08:11 PM   #193 
                    - DOH, I'm so unobservant!!  kdmorris   Jan-26-08 08:42 PM   #198 
                    - I feel the same about cooking (which is what I do)  junofeb   Jan-26-08 09:25 PM   #206 
                 - Ah, I see  kdmorris   Jan-26-08 08:47 PM   #200 
                    - Thank you too, for the welcome!  east texas lib   Jan-26-08 10:46 PM   #209 
  - Right, because circumstances never change after you have kids  gollygee   Jan-25-08 06:32 PM   #33 
  - Those are special cases. I assume you don't support creating programs for every unusual situation  jody   Jan-25-08 06:51 PM   #42 
     - You honestly think that  huskerlaw   Jan-25-08 08:24 PM   #99 
        - "failed birth control" is a special case with failure rates of 1 to 10+%.  jody   Jan-25-08 08:33 PM   #102 
           - In this economy,  huskerlaw   Jan-25-08 10:15 PM   #111 
  - A longtime DUer  sniffa   Jan-25-08 07:01 PM   #47 
  - What's sad? The sad thing is people who do not recognize the simple fact that society has limited  jody   Jan-25-08 07:12 PM   #55 
     - I support both unplanned births and mandatory abortions.  sniffa   Jan-25-08 07:22 PM   #57 
        - You support "mandatory abortions"! I don't remember reading that in the Democratic Party platform.  jody   Jan-25-08 07:27 PM   #59 
           - Glad you asked.  sniffa   Jan-25-08 07:30 PM   #62 
              - Now that you've cleared that up, I do indeed have more degrees than bicentennial_baby has  jody   Jan-25-08 07:33 PM   #66 
                 - Soooo....Why was that a ridiculous question?  bicentennial_baby   Jan-25-08 07:37 PM   #68 
                 - Sure you do.  sniffa   Jan-25-08 07:40 PM   #72 
                 - Have a great day and good bye. n/t  jody   Jan-25-08 07:51 PM   #80 
                    - awww  sniffa   Jan-25-08 07:56 PM   #87 
                 - And I Have More Letters In My Screenname. Both Are Equally Irrelevant Statements.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jan-25-08 07:45 PM   #78 
                    - I agree academic degrees are irrelevant statements, that's why I never list mine. n/t  jody   Jan-25-08 07:50 PM   #79 
                    - Course, I Wasn't Really Seeking Your Approval Or Anything.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jan-25-08 07:53 PM   #83 
                    - And I don't value your approval either. Have a great day. n/t  jody   Jan-25-08 07:55 PM   #85 
                       - Course, I Wasn't The One Arrogant Or Misguided Enough To Have Given Any.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jan-25-08 08:08 PM   #96 
                          - She can't read it.  sniffa   Jan-25-08 08:41 PM   #105 
                    - Then why did you insist  huskerlaw   Jan-25-08 08:26 PM   #100 
                       - Because it was a humorous reply to that post. n/t  jody   Jan-25-08 08:34 PM   #104 
                          - It was a bullshit reply to that post.  huskerlaw   Jan-25-08 10:20 PM   #112 
                             - My posts in context to a single person are appropriate. You taking things out of context suggest you  jody   Jan-26-08 09:16 AM   #121 
                                - I do believe she's capable of defending herself  huskerlaw   Jan-26-08 11:17 AM   #125 
                                   - Hey you can join the club now!  turtlensue   Jan-26-08 12:24 PM   #128 
                                      - Yay!  huskerlaw   Jan-26-08 02:49 PM   #153 
                                      - see my reply #185  junofeb   Jan-26-08 08:27 PM   #197 
                    - FYI...This type of person might have alphabet soup after their name  turtlensue   Jan-25-08 07:52 PM   #82 
                    - Which type?  bicentennial_baby   Jan-25-08 07:56 PM   #86 
                       - Not you  turtlensue   Jan-25-08 07:59 PM   #89 
                          - From this site, it's #2  kdmorris   Jan-25-08 08:04 PM   #91 
                          - As far as I know, a large part of tax revenue goes to  bicentennial_baby   Jan-25-08 08:05 PM   #92 
                          - BS=Bullshit  conscious evolution   Jan-25-08 08:46 PM   #108 
                    - LOL!!  conscious evolution   Jan-25-08 08:44 PM   #107 
  - I had no idea that i was pregnant until I was five (FIVE) months along.  lildreamer316   Jan-26-08 04:10 AM   #115 
  - Accidents happen and you say "we are no longer on federal/state support". There are others who do  jody   Jan-26-08 09:37 AM   #122 
     - Sweet jesus fuck  dropkickpa   Jan-26-08 12:47 PM   #131 
        - What type of social government do you support? If you expect society to care for everyone then  jody   Jan-26-08 12:58 PM   #134 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-26-08 01:00 PM   #135 
           - I support a government that works to  dropkickpa   Jan-27-08 12:39 PM   #213 
              - Why do you keep twisting and distorting what I say? I know how welfare works and I also know  jody   Jan-27-08 05:42 PM   #218 
                 - I've been on welfare and my kid sucked off of the nations teat  dropkickpa   Jan-27-08 08:33 PM   #223 
                    - I do not hate welfare queens. I believe society should help those who have had bad fortune beset  jody   Jan-27-08 09:37 PM   #224 
  - henceforth you shall be known to me as  eShirl   Jan-26-08 08:32 AM   #120 
  - Fruits and veggis? Totally out of reach for some people.  gateley   Jan-25-08 06:30 PM   #31 
  - I know a young lady  conscious evolution   Jan-25-08 08:52 PM   #109 
     - THAT is the best revenge  kdmorris   Jan-26-08 08:31 AM   #119 
        - I give her one every chance I get  conscious evolution   Jan-26-08 11:06 AM   #124 
           - Give it time  kdmorris   Jan-26-08 12:49 PM   #132 
  - There is also a housing issue  Jed Dilligan   Jan-25-08 06:49 PM   #40 
  - Kick for the commie-pinko bleeding heart softie. -n/t  porphyrian   Jan-25-08 06:51 PM   #43 
  - So you advocate resolving judgmentalism by putting even more paternalism in its place.  Maddy McCall   Jan-25-08 07:11 PM   #54 
  - Not at all.. Just that IF the government is going to sponsor  SoCalDem   Jan-25-08 07:42 PM   #74 
  - kicking  mdmc   Jan-25-08 07:24 PM   #58 
  - Some good ideas, SoCal.  Gormy Cuss   Jan-25-08 07:28 PM   #61 
  - I work in the deli of a big box store and the food we throw away everyday is  madmom   Jan-25-08 08:00 PM   #90 
  - They are trying to change that law in Florida  kdmorris   Jan-25-08 08:06 PM   #94 
     - Texas residents cannot give hunted deer to food banks, either.  Ilsa   Jan-25-08 08:27 PM   #101 
  - ok i officially don't get it  pitohui   Jan-25-08 08:05 PM   #93 
  - If you run into someone who has "issues" with food stamps you can also remind them that government  dflprincess   Jan-25-08 08:08 PM   #95 
  - my family was on food stamps  lost-in-nj   Jan-25-08 08:20 PM   #98 
  - Strategic point about condoms:  quantessd   Jan-25-08 08:34 PM   #103 
  - ok some one hold me back  nadine_mn   Jan-25-08 10:59 PM   #113 
  - What you said, nadine.  sfexpat2000   Jan-25-08 11:02 PM   #114 
  - Well said  kdmorris   Jan-26-08 08:23 AM   #118 
  - Right on! n/t  junofeb   Jan-26-08 08:54 PM   #202 
  - I hear you  treestar   Jan-26-08 08:21 AM   #117 
  - Many poor people are lazy & dumb & they eat bad food..  AlertLurker   Jan-26-08 10:18 AM   #123 
  - wow... I grew up poor, we were on welfare for a bit and I went to law school  nadine_mn   Jan-26-08 11:38 AM   #127 
  - I appreciate your contribution.  AlertLurker   Jan-26-08 01:13 PM   #136 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-26-08 02:00 PM   #145 
  - Well, you're lazy because you were raised that way.  Gormy Cuss   Jan-26-08 01:19 PM   #139 
  - REPUKE ALERT!!!!  Breeze54   Jan-26-08 01:46 PM   #142 
  - Look, many rich people are lazy and dumb and they eat bad food  truedelphi   Jan-26-08 01:47 PM   #143 
  - I understand. I wasn't attempting to be biting or nasty.  AlertLurker   Jan-26-08 03:09 PM   #160 
  - Hell yeah look at what-his face the Chevron dude  junofeb   Jan-26-08 09:05 PM   #204 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-26-08 02:13 PM   #149 
  - The contentious word in your OP subject is "Many" and you will be criticized for not supporting the  jody   Jan-26-08 02:41 PM   #152 
  - Understood. And appreciated.  AlertLurker   Jan-26-08 03:17 PM   #162 
  - Have a great day. n/t  jody   Jan-26-08 03:21 PM   #163 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-26-08 05:22 PM   #172 
     - Have a nice day. n/t  jody   Jan-26-08 05:27 PM   #174 
        - yeah, right, you too. n/t  RadiationTherapy   Jan-26-08 05:30 PM   #177 
  - Please stay in Canada  huskerlaw   Jan-26-08 02:52 PM   #154 
  - Many engineers are lazy and dumb and eat bad food too.  lumberjack_jeff   Jan-26-08 09:40 PM   #208 
  - kick to one of the best posts on DU I have ever read -- Thanks  Rosemary2205   Jan-26-08 11:23 AM   #126 
  - I knew there was  Breeze54   Jan-26-08 02:03 PM   #146 
     - LOL  Rosemary2205   Jan-26-08 02:25 PM   #151 
        - Don't know about Trader Joes  conscious evolution   Jan-26-08 07:39 PM   #188 
  - "Where poor people tend to live, there are not many Trader Joes, Whole Foods, or any other major..."  Breeze54   Jan-26-08 01:44 PM   #141 
  - Poor live in rural areas too and they are working poor.  Cleita   Jan-26-08 03:02 PM   #158 
  - Oh COME ON  huskerlaw   Jan-26-08 03:03 PM   #159 
  - closest real grocery store is 10 miles from here  kineneb   Jan-26-08 08:18 PM   #195 
  - Great rant SoCalDem and so true.  Cleita   Jan-26-08 03:01 PM   #157 
  - I'm Considering Moving to a Neighborhood Where There's a Community Garden  Crisco   Jan-26-08 03:12 PM   #161 
  - Make the "minimum wage" a "living wage"  GliderGuider   Jan-26-08 03:31 PM   #164 
  - I totally agree  diane in sf   Jan-26-08 04:01 PM   #166 
  - I agree that a sane program which would *help* people to eat a healthy diet...  puebloknot   Jan-26-08 04:40 PM   #167 
  - You make the essential points quite eloquently.  LWolf   Jan-26-08 04:49 PM   #168 
  - Orwell covers this in Road to Wigan Pier  cgrindley   Jan-26-08 05:24 PM   #173 
  - Well said! WIC is now giving $10 vouchers to the Farmer's Markets  cutlassmama   Jan-26-08 07:46 PM   #190 
  - A "better way" would be nutritionally based.  flvegan   Jan-26-08 07:52 PM   #191 
  - WIC has expanded into Farmer's Markets  rucky   Jan-26-08 09:02 PM   #203 
  - Great journal! I was too late to recommend, but here's a  GOPBasher   Jan-27-08 05:17 AM   #210 
  - There is a serious problem with food in this country: the worst stuff is the cheapest.  shenmue   Jan-27-08 12:47 PM   #214 
  - bump! Excellent post  Liberal_in_LA   Jan-27-08 03:29 PM   #216 
 

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