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Sat Feb-24-07 05:11 PM
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| 50. All you've said about picking a candidate is very PRUDENT. |
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What this reminds me of is all the same sort of attacks on DU from Salazar supporters, when others were supporting Miles. All the same stuff about how "electable" Salazar was, how skilled he was with various things, etc etc etc.
It was clear that Salazar had the party BIG MONEY, and the obvious backing of the BIG MONEY INTERESTS. Miles had no money, but LOTS of grass roots support.
So, fast forward, and not even very long in time.... Salazar is elected, Salazar introduces Gonzales (and of course votes for the fascist!), then Salazar sells out completely and becomes part of the 14!!! He completely sold out our Democracy by making even a filibuster impossible, which lead to the passing of all manner of evil.
Yet, NOT ONE Salazar supporter ever had the integrity to say "We were wrong".
Here we are again... there are many very good Dem contenders, and now the same very angry denouncements of any criticism of another DLCer with several issues that need to be examined.
What in the world does it take?
How many times do we have to be sold out before we're willing to look with open eyes???
Thanks for having the willingness to actually post about Richardsons weaknesses without trashing him.
It's too bad there can't be a bit more rationality.
I hope we don't have to learn the hard way once again!
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| -Richardson is the only governor running now - he deserves serious consideration |
Herman Munster |
Feb-23-07 05:19 PM |
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Until he apologizes for not having a recount in NM |
politicasista |
Feb-23-07 05:22 PM |
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I like Richardson a lot |
skipos |
Feb-23-07 05:25 PM |
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He should have done that in 2004 |
politicasista |
Feb-23-07 05:31 PM |
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Apology through Action is fine with me! |
Breeze54 |
Feb-23-07 05:34 PM |
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that's where I'm at |
helderheid |
Feb-23-07 06:27 PM |
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I thought |
TheModernTerrorist |
Feb-24-07 12:09 AM |
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I absolutely agree |
SharonRB |
Feb-23-07 05:22 PM |
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See my posts in this thread. |
merh |
Feb-23-07 07:14 PM |
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Had the machines wiped clean before the recount was done... |
havocmom |
Feb-23-07 05:23 PM |
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ditto! The guy may be good on foreign policy but he stopped the vote counting |
ray of light |
Feb-23-07 05:32 PM |
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It wouldn't have made a difference anyway! |
Breeze54 |
Feb-23-07 05:35 PM |
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ah, so we shouldn't bother with counting? |
havocmom |
Feb-23-07 05:57 PM |
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That's a leap! |
Breeze54 |
Feb-23-07 06:11 PM |
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"get a grip" I get that a lot |
havocmom |
Feb-23-07 06:49 PM |
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Kinda of an uphill battle to convince folks that the chairman of the Democratic convention |
bigtree |
Feb-23-07 07:19 PM |
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that's the confusion...he had the power to keep counting votes there |
ray of light |
Feb-25-07 01:48 PM |
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Waitasec.... Didn't Vilsack declare first? |
TygrBright |
Feb-23-07 05:30 PM |
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Vilsack is out |
Herman Munster |
Feb-23-07 05:35 PM |
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ah, thanks.... missed that. It's taxprep season y'know.... n/t |
TygrBright |
Feb-23-07 05:45 PM |
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Vilsack dropped out today n/t |
lisa58 |
Feb-23-07 05:35 PM |
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Vilsack just dropped out. (nt) |
scarletwoman |
Feb-23-07 05:35 PM |
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"On Paper" -- that is the key. |
bobbolink |
Feb-23-07 05:37 PM |
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Doesn't he have a problem with the ladies too? |
havocmom |
Feb-23-07 05:59 PM |
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I read |
Radical Activist |
Feb-23-07 06:59 PM |
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I seem to remember something about that, but.. don't have any |
bobbolink |
Feb-24-07 01:42 PM |
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I agree, but since REAL behavior problems don't count for much |
havocmom |
Feb-24-07 02:28 PM |
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wow. that exchange was a smear worthy of the REAL opposition |
bigtree |
Feb-24-07 02:33 PM |
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You are really monitoring. Interesting |
havocmom |
Feb-24-07 02:44 PM |
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it's just a load of gossip |
bigtree |
Feb-24-07 03:04 PM |
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I have noticed what sets you off lately: any frank discussion of RIchardson |
havocmom |
Feb-24-07 06:10 PM |
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based entirely on innuendo |
bigtree |
Feb-24-07 06:32 PM |
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clearing the machines and his voting record is not innuendo |
havocmom |
Feb-24-07 08:29 PM |
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which of course IS innuendo when presented here (deliberately) |
bigtree |
Feb-24-07 10:39 PM |
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All you've said about picking a candidate is very PRUDENT. |
bobbolink |
Feb-24-07 05:11 PM |
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Thank you for noticing the focus was on real problems not just knee jerk attack on the man |
havocmom |
Feb-24-07 06:09 PM |
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nothing more knee-jerk attacking than making him out to be a drunk and a womanizer |
bigtree |
Feb-24-07 06:38 PM |
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LOL |
havocmom |
Feb-24-07 08:25 PM |
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I guess you thought that no one would object to your throwing around accusations |
bigtree |
Feb-24-07 10:37 PM |
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Unfortunately, that sounds like most of our field. |
Clark2008 |
Feb-24-07 05:15 PM |
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Sadly valid point. |
havocmom |
Feb-24-07 06:13 PM |
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it's still a mystery who you think the 'good guys' are who have declared |
bigtree |
Feb-24-07 06:34 PM |
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Don't recall coming out for anybody yet |
havocmom |
Feb-24-07 08:27 PM |
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of course, he HASN'T declared a candidacy |
bigtree |
Feb-24-07 10:40 PM |
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Gads, you have to attack me for a personal opinion and favorite? |
havocmom |
Feb-25-07 09:47 AM |
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no. I just think a Dean run is a real longshot |
bigtree |
Feb-25-07 09:51 AM |
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well, you're right of course, he does deserve serious consideration |
0rganism |
Feb-23-07 06:02 PM |
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When considering Richardson, know where he stands on these key issues: |
Czolgosz |
Feb-23-07 06:12 PM |
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If it looks like a DINO, walks like a DINO... |
havocmom |
Feb-23-07 06:53 PM |
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Now that Vilsack has dropped out, I think Richardson is the least progressive candidate for the |
Czolgosz |
Feb-23-07 09:41 PM |
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You nailed it |
Elwood P Dowd |
Feb-23-07 09:44 PM |
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large list, but not out of the mainstream of the present membership of Congress |
bigtree |
Feb-23-07 07:08 PM |
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I agree that Richardson deserves serious consideration . . . for Sec'y of State. |
Czolgosz |
Feb-23-07 09:39 PM |
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He deserves a serious tongue lashing |
Elwood P Dowd |
Feb-23-07 06:26 PM |
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Would be nice to have a reasonable |
Jacobin |
Feb-23-07 06:30 PM |
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And a DEM would be good too |
havocmom |
Feb-23-07 06:54 PM |
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Funny. Yes, I too would rather have a Democrat than Richardson. |
Elwood P Dowd |
Feb-23-07 06:55 PM |
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He is a master diplomat... |
phusion |
Feb-23-07 07:01 PM |
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He deserves serious consideration... |
SaveElmer |
Feb-23-07 07:03 PM |
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definitely |
bigtree |
Feb-23-07 07:05 PM |
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He does deserve serious consideration. I hope he gets it. |
David Zephyr |
Feb-23-07 07:06 PM |
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Nope, not for me |
merh |
Feb-23-07 07:13 PM |
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Good man - Vice President |
Rydz777 |
Feb-23-07 11:24 PM |
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Good men |
Elwood P Dowd |
Feb-23-07 11:38 PM |
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He's a free-traitor?/free-trader. I won't support any free-traders. (nt) |
w4rma |
Feb-24-07 12:03 AM |
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In 1996, Richardson voted (twice) in favor of the federal DOMA. |
Bluebear |
Feb-24-07 03:09 PM |
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or course, as we discussed once Bluebear |
bigtree |
Feb-24-07 03:12 PM |
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...because you can never have enough corporatists in power... |
greyhound1966 |
Feb-24-07 06:13 PM |
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look out |
havocmom |
Feb-24-07 08:28 PM |
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sucks being held accountable for what you say |
bigtree |
Feb-24-07 10:48 PM |
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A great candidate if you want another DLC-style corporatist |
Morgana LaFey |
Feb-24-07 06:30 PM |
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Most DUers already know all this. Presidential politics have changed, and being a mediocre person |
Bombtrack |
Feb-24-07 08:58 PM |
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Sorry but he lost me today. |
Cleita |
Feb-24-07 09:08 PM |
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he believes in universal care, but he's not so obstinate |
bigtree |
Feb-24-07 10:44 PM |
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So in the meantime while all these committees are |
Cleita |
Feb-24-07 10:58 PM |
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I really don't know a universal solution until folks can agree on funding |
bigtree |
Feb-24-07 11:00 PM |
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People smarter than me have figured out that the money |
Cleita |
Feb-24-07 11:45 PM |
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more on Richardson and Health care |
bigtree |
Feb-25-07 06:47 AM |
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From the Democratic presidential forum this week |
sgcase |
Feb-24-07 11:14 PM |
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The Massachussetts style plan is what Arnold is trying to push |
Cleita |
Feb-24-07 11:47 PM |
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that was a summary fron his brief statements at the forum |
bigtree |
Feb-25-07 06:33 AM |
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from a DNC Winter Meeting |
bigtree |
Feb-25-07 06:41 AM |
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This is not true, |
Cleita |
Feb-25-07 10:31 AM |
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he knows about trust funds |
bigtree |
Feb-25-07 10:58 AM |
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And this has brought us meaningful health care reform, how? |
Cleita |
Feb-25-07 11:31 AM |
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my point is that no one has been able to politically enact these ideas nationally |
bigtree |
Feb-25-07 11:37 AM |
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As a person who has been fighting this health care battle for more than |
Cleita |
Feb-25-07 11:52 AM |
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Hell, Moynihan killed the Clinton's health reform bid |
bigtree |
Feb-25-07 11:56 AM |
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I'm glad he did because it was an awful bill, exactly what I was |
Cleita |
Feb-25-07 12:04 PM |
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Now, Richardson HAS worried over pills and health care for sick people |
bigtree |
Feb-25-07 12:11 PM |
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Not a bad idea |
leomcgarrysghost |
Feb-25-07 06:52 AM |
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He's a corporate DLCer. |
Cleita |
Feb-25-07 10:35 AM |
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On the other hand |
leomcgarrysghost |
Feb-25-07 10:39 AM |
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He doesn't have this Latina's vote. |
Cleita |
Feb-25-07 11:19 AM |
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I know Latinos who've expressed interest in someone with Latino ancestry running |
bigtree |
Feb-25-07 11:24 AM |
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I can't see how that will work in his favor. |
Cleita |
Feb-25-07 11:45 AM |
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Or course, he hasn't focused on the 'Latino community above all else'. |
bigtree |
Feb-25-07 11:51 AM |
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I'm not 'staff' of any candidate |
bigtree |
Feb-25-07 11:01 AM |
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Did I name you? n/t |
Cleita |
Feb-25-07 11:20 AM |
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no, but it's an insult to folks who care deeply enough to participate |
bigtree |
Feb-25-07 11:25 AM |
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The DLC ties argument is a sham without specifics of what he represents |
bigtree |
Feb-25-07 11:11 AM |
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This is not my lone idea. Those with more authority than me |
Cleita |
Feb-25-07 11:23 AM |
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It's a lazy and often inaccurate shorthand for their opposition. |
bigtree |
Feb-25-07 11:29 AM |
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If people like me don't air what we don't like about each |
Cleita |
Feb-25-07 11:34 AM |
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I'm asking for specifics |
bigtree |
Feb-25-07 11:39 AM |
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Specifics. |
Cleita |
Feb-25-07 11:58 AM |
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thanks for the link |
bigtree |
Feb-25-07 12:13 PM |
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I like Richardson a lot, but he will never be a DU favorite |
skipos |
Feb-25-07 10:42 AM |
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That I don't get |
leomcgarrysghost |
Feb-25-07 10:43 AM |
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1st of all DU is way to the left of most Democrats |
skipos |
Feb-25-07 10:59 AM |
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Maybe I'm tired but |
leomcgarrysghost |
Feb-25-07 11:01 AM |
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Getting sleepy...can barely type... |
gulliver |
Feb-25-07 11:41 AM |
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at least you saw him |
bigtree |
Feb-25-07 11:44 AM |
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Richardson for VP |
Katzenkavalier |
Feb-25-07 11:48 AM |
#105 |