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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 05:11 PM
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50. All you've said about picking a candidate is very PRUDENT.
What this reminds me of is all the same sort of attacks on DU from Salazar supporters, when others were supporting Miles. All the same stuff about how "electable" Salazar was, how skilled he was with various things, etc etc etc.

It was clear that Salazar had the party BIG MONEY, and the obvious backing of the BIG MONEY INTERESTS. Miles had no money, but LOTS of grass roots support.

So, fast forward, and not even very long in time.... Salazar is elected, Salazar introduces Gonzales (and of course votes for the fascist!), then Salazar sells out completely and becomes part of the 14!!! He completely sold out our Democracy by making even a filibuster impossible, which lead to the passing of all manner of evil.

Yet, NOT ONE Salazar supporter ever had the integrity to say "We were wrong".

Here we are again... there are many very good Dem contenders, and now the same very angry denouncements of any criticism of another DLCer with several issues that need to be examined.

What in the world does it take?

How many times do we have to be sold out before we're willing to look with open eyes???

Thanks for having the willingness to actually post about Richardsons weaknesses without trashing him.

It's too bad there can't be a bit more rationality.

I hope we don't have to learn the hard way once again!
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  -Richardson is the only governor running now - he deserves serious consideration Herman Munster  Feb-23-07 05:19 PM   #0 
  - Until he apologizes for not having a recount in NM  politicasista   Feb-23-07 05:22 PM   #1 
  - I like Richardson a lot  skipos   Feb-23-07 05:25 PM   #4 
  - He should have done that in 2004  politicasista   Feb-23-07 05:31 PM   #6 
  - Apology through Action is fine with me!  Breeze54   Feb-23-07 05:34 PM   #8 
  - that's where I'm at  helderheid   Feb-23-07 06:27 PM   #21 
  - I thought  TheModernTerrorist   Feb-24-07 12:09 AM   #42 
  - I absolutely agree  SharonRB   Feb-23-07 05:22 PM   #2 
  - See my posts in this thread.  merh   Feb-23-07 07:14 PM   #34 
  - Had the machines wiped clean before the recount was done...  havocmom   Feb-23-07 05:23 PM   #3 
  - ditto! The guy may be good on foreign policy but he stopped the vote counting  ray of light   Feb-23-07 05:32 PM   #7 
  - It wouldn't have made a difference anyway!  Breeze54   Feb-23-07 05:35 PM   #11 
     - ah, so we shouldn't bother with counting?  havocmom   Feb-23-07 05:57 PM   #15 
        - That's a leap!  Breeze54   Feb-23-07 06:11 PM   #18 
           - "get a grip" I get that a lot  havocmom   Feb-23-07 06:49 PM   #23 
  - Kinda of an uphill battle to convince folks that the chairman of the Democratic convention  bigtree   Feb-23-07 07:19 PM   #35 
     - that's the confusion...he had the power to keep counting votes there  ray of light   Feb-25-07 01:48 PM   #113 
  - Waitasec.... Didn't Vilsack declare first?  TygrBright   Feb-23-07 05:30 PM   #5 
  - Vilsack is out  Herman Munster   Feb-23-07 05:35 PM   #9 
  - ah, thanks.... missed that. It's taxprep season y'know.... n/t  TygrBright   Feb-23-07 05:45 PM   #14 
  - Vilsack dropped out today n/t  lisa58   Feb-23-07 05:35 PM   #10 
  - Vilsack just dropped out. (nt)  scarletwoman   Feb-23-07 05:35 PM   #12 
  - "On Paper" -- that is the key.  bobbolink   Feb-23-07 05:37 PM   #13 
  - Doesn't he have a problem with the ladies too?  havocmom   Feb-23-07 05:59 PM   #16 
     - I read  Radical Activist   Feb-23-07 06:59 PM   #27 
     - I seem to remember something about that, but.. don't have any  bobbolink   Feb-24-07 01:42 PM   #43 
        - I agree, but since REAL behavior problems don't count for much  havocmom   Feb-24-07 02:28 PM   #44 
           - wow. that exchange was a smear worthy of the REAL opposition  bigtree   Feb-24-07 02:33 PM   #45 
           - You are really monitoring. Interesting  havocmom   Feb-24-07 02:44 PM   #46 
              - it's just a load of gossip  bigtree   Feb-24-07 03:04 PM   #47 
              - I have noticed what sets you off lately: any frank discussion of RIchardson  havocmom   Feb-24-07 06:10 PM   #53 
                 - based entirely on innuendo  bigtree   Feb-24-07 06:32 PM   #57 
                    - clearing the machines and his voting record is not innuendo  havocmom   Feb-24-07 08:29 PM   #63 
                       - which of course IS innuendo when presented here (deliberately)  bigtree   Feb-24-07 10:39 PM   #67 
              - All you've said about picking a candidate is very PRUDENT.  bobbolink   Feb-24-07 05:11 PM   #50 
                 - Thank you for noticing the focus was on real problems not just knee jerk attack on the man  havocmom   Feb-24-07 06:09 PM   #52 
                    - nothing more knee-jerk attacking than making him out to be a drunk and a womanizer  bigtree   Feb-24-07 06:38 PM   #59 
                       - LOL  havocmom   Feb-24-07 08:25 PM   #60 
                          - I guess you thought that no one would object to your throwing around accusations  bigtree   Feb-24-07 10:37 PM   #66 
           - Unfortunately, that sounds like most of our field.  Clark2008   Feb-24-07 05:15 PM   #51 
              - Sadly valid point.  havocmom   Feb-24-07 06:13 PM   #54 
                 - it's still a mystery who you think the 'good guys' are who have declared  bigtree   Feb-24-07 06:34 PM   #58 
                    - Don't recall coming out for anybody yet  havocmom   Feb-24-07 08:27 PM   #61 
                       - of course, he HASN'T declared a candidacy  bigtree   Feb-24-07 10:40 PM   #68 
                          - Gads, you have to attack me for a personal opinion and favorite?  havocmom   Feb-25-07 09:47 AM   #80 
                             - no. I just think a Dean run is a real longshot  bigtree   Feb-25-07 09:51 AM   #81 
  - well, you're right of course, he does deserve serious consideration  0rganism   Feb-23-07 06:02 PM   #17 
  - When considering Richardson, know where he stands on these key issues:  Czolgosz   Feb-23-07 06:12 PM   #19 
  - If it looks like a DINO, walks like a DINO...  havocmom   Feb-23-07 06:53 PM   #24 
  - Now that Vilsack has dropped out, I think Richardson is the least progressive candidate for the  Czolgosz   Feb-23-07 09:41 PM   #37 
     - You nailed it  Elwood P Dowd   Feb-23-07 09:44 PM   #38 
  - large list, but not out of the mainstream of the present membership of Congress  bigtree   Feb-23-07 07:08 PM   #32 
     - I agree that Richardson deserves serious consideration . . . for Sec'y of State.  Czolgosz   Feb-23-07 09:39 PM   #36 
  - He deserves a serious tongue lashing  Elwood P Dowd   Feb-23-07 06:26 PM   #20 
  - Would be nice to have a reasonable  Jacobin   Feb-23-07 06:30 PM   #22 
  - And a DEM would be good too  havocmom   Feb-23-07 06:54 PM   #25 
     - Funny. Yes, I too would rather have a Democrat than Richardson.  Elwood P Dowd   Feb-23-07 06:55 PM   #26 
  - He is a master diplomat...  phusion   Feb-23-07 07:01 PM   #28 
  - He deserves serious consideration...  SaveElmer   Feb-23-07 07:03 PM   #29 
  - definitely  bigtree   Feb-23-07 07:05 PM   #30 
  - He does deserve serious consideration. I hope he gets it.  David Zephyr   Feb-23-07 07:06 PM   #31 
  - Nope, not for me  merh   Feb-23-07 07:13 PM   #33 
  - Good man - Vice President  Rydz777   Feb-23-07 11:24 PM   #39 
  - Good men  Elwood P Dowd   Feb-23-07 11:38 PM   #40 
  - He's a free-traitor?/free-trader. I won't support any free-traders. (nt)  w4rma   Feb-24-07 12:03 AM   #41 
  - In 1996, Richardson voted (twice) in favor of the federal DOMA.  Bluebear   Feb-24-07 03:09 PM   #48 
  - or course, as we discussed once Bluebear  bigtree   Feb-24-07 03:12 PM   #49 
  - ...because you can never have enough corporatists in power...  greyhound1966   Feb-24-07 06:13 PM   #55 
  - look out  havocmom   Feb-24-07 08:28 PM   #62 
     - sucks being held accountable for what you say  bigtree   Feb-24-07 10:48 PM   #70 
  - A great candidate if you want another DLC-style corporatist  Morgana LaFey   Feb-24-07 06:30 PM   #56 
  - Most DUers already know all this. Presidential politics have changed, and being a mediocre person  Bombtrack   Feb-24-07 08:58 PM   #64 
  - Sorry but he lost me today.  Cleita   Feb-24-07 09:08 PM   #65 
  - he believes in universal care, but he's not so obstinate  bigtree   Feb-24-07 10:44 PM   #69 
     - So in the meantime while all these committees are  Cleita   Feb-24-07 10:58 PM   #71 
     - I really don't know a universal solution until folks can agree on funding  bigtree   Feb-24-07 11:00 PM   #72 
        - People smarter than me have figured out that the money  Cleita   Feb-24-07 11:45 PM   #74 
     - more on Richardson and Health care  bigtree   Feb-25-07 06:47 AM   #78 
  - From the Democratic presidential forum this week  sgcase   Feb-24-07 11:14 PM   #73 
  - The Massachussetts style plan is what Arnold is trying to push  Cleita   Feb-24-07 11:47 PM   #75 
     - that was a summary fron his brief statements at the forum  bigtree   Feb-25-07 06:33 AM   #76 
        - from a DNC Winter Meeting  bigtree   Feb-25-07 06:41 AM   #77 
        - This is not true,  Cleita   Feb-25-07 10:31 AM   #82 
           - he knows about trust funds  bigtree   Feb-25-07 10:58 AM   #87 
              - And this has brought us meaningful health care reform, how?  Cleita   Feb-25-07 11:31 AM   #98 
                 - my point is that no one has been able to politically enact these ideas nationally  bigtree   Feb-25-07 11:37 AM   #100 
                    - As a person who has been fighting this health care battle for more than  Cleita   Feb-25-07 11:52 AM   #107 
                       - Hell, Moynihan killed the Clinton's health reform bid  bigtree   Feb-25-07 11:56 AM   #108 
                          - I'm glad he did because it was an awful bill, exactly what I was  Cleita   Feb-25-07 12:04 PM   #110 
                             - Now, Richardson HAS worried over pills and health care for sick people  bigtree   Feb-25-07 12:11 PM   #111 
  - Not a bad idea  leomcgarrysghost   Feb-25-07 06:52 AM   #79 
  - He's a corporate DLCer.  Cleita   Feb-25-07 10:35 AM   #83 
     - On the other hand  leomcgarrysghost   Feb-25-07 10:39 AM   #84 
     - He doesn't have this Latina's vote.  Cleita   Feb-25-07 11:19 AM   #92 
        - I know Latinos who've expressed interest in someone with Latino ancestry running  bigtree   Feb-25-07 11:24 AM   #95 
           - I can't see how that will work in his favor.  Cleita   Feb-25-07 11:45 AM   #104 
              - Or course, he hasn't focused on the 'Latino community above all else'.  bigtree   Feb-25-07 11:51 AM   #106 
     - I'm not 'staff' of any candidate  bigtree   Feb-25-07 11:01 AM   #90 
     - Did I name you? n/t  Cleita   Feb-25-07 11:20 AM   #93 
        - no, but it's an insult to folks who care deeply enough to participate  bigtree   Feb-25-07 11:25 AM   #96 
     - The DLC ties argument is a sham without specifics of what he represents  bigtree   Feb-25-07 11:11 AM   #91 
        - This is not my lone idea. Those with more authority than me  Cleita   Feb-25-07 11:23 AM   #94 
           - It's a lazy and often inaccurate shorthand for their opposition.  bigtree   Feb-25-07 11:29 AM   #97 
              - If people like me don't air what we don't like about each  Cleita   Feb-25-07 11:34 AM   #99 
                 - I'm asking for specifics  bigtree   Feb-25-07 11:39 AM   #101 
                    - Specifics.  Cleita   Feb-25-07 11:58 AM   #109 
                       - thanks for the link  bigtree   Feb-25-07 12:13 PM   #112 
  - I like Richardson a lot, but he will never be a DU favorite  skipos   Feb-25-07 10:42 AM   #85 
  - That I don't get  leomcgarrysghost   Feb-25-07 10:43 AM   #86 
     - 1st of all DU is way to the left of most Democrats  skipos   Feb-25-07 10:59 AM   #88 
        - Maybe I'm tired but  leomcgarrysghost   Feb-25-07 11:01 AM   #89 
  - Getting sleepy...can barely type...  gulliver   Feb-25-07 11:41 AM   #102 
  - at least you saw him  bigtree   Feb-25-07 11:44 AM   #103 
  - Richardson for VP  Katzenkavalier   Feb-25-07 11:48 AM   #105 

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