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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:48 PM
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95. Absolutely nothing
But Americans have been brainwashed to believe that socialism will lead to "communism" - although most people have no true concept of what communism really was.
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  -So What's Wrong With Socialism? pippin  Jan-23-08 08:00 AM   #0 
  - It's easier when society is homogenous. Our national history  Fredda Weinberg   Jan-23-08 08:02 AM   #1 
  - at least that's what we are told...  YOY   Jan-23-08 08:23 AM   #8 
  - I can. Kibbutzim sprung up all over the new Israeli state ... did you  Fredda Weinberg   Jan-23-08 08:58 AM   #18 
  - Sort of like our lifestyle imposed on the Native Americans....  Tyler Durden   Jan-23-08 08:41 AM   #14 
  - I take it you're a utopian? I was, a long time ago, then I studied the  Fredda Weinberg   Jan-23-08 09:00 AM   #19 
     - Not a Utopian.  Tyler Durden   Jan-23-08 09:15 AM   #26 
        - Authoritarian followers and (potential) leaders...  Cassandra   Jan-23-08 09:21 AM   #29 
           - Again, that's what the Rule of Law is for.  Tyler Durden   Jan-23-08 10:02 AM   #41 
           - Well, we have seen what happens when...  Cassandra   Jan-23-08 10:29 AM   #44 
              - Anarchy is NOT a stable system.  Tyler Durden   Jan-23-08 10:36 AM   #45 
                 - Anarchy threatens every vunerable system, which is why it  Fredda Weinberg   Jan-23-08 10:56 AM   #55 
                 - Exactly.  Tyler Durden   Jan-23-08 11:16 AM   #60 
                 - I don't think. When I lived in Delray Beach, I went downtown every  Fredda Weinberg   Jan-23-08 11:43 AM   #66 
                 - I would disagree strongly.  bean fidhleir   Jan-23-08 05:28 PM   #106 
                    - When everyone has the authority to stop the production line, you'd  Fredda Weinberg   Jan-23-08 08:24 PM   #113 
                 - Since when have anarchists been opposed to equality under the law?  Unvanguard   Jan-23-08 03:32 PM   #90 
           - I think they will share (the followers)  femrap   Jan-23-08 04:14 PM   #98 
  - USAmerikan national history  ProudDad   Jan-23-08 12:51 PM   #75 
     - End history? Nope. The best we can hope for is to learn the lessons  Fredda Weinberg   Jan-23-08 12:57 PM   #77 
  - Another thing that has been pounded into us for so long. If you look at socialism, it is not any  EV_Ares   Jan-23-08 08:04 AM   #2 
  - I think any pure ism is bad period...  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-23-08 10:42 AM   #47 
  - Greedy, selfish people hate it.  Xap   Jan-23-08 08:06 AM   #3 
  - You got it. There's the ugly truth. Too bad so many supposed "liberals" share in that  Echo In Light   Jan-23-08 10:45 AM   #48 
  - Americans all think they're going to be rich one day  new_beawr   Jan-23-08 08:11 AM   #4 
  - It's easily confusable to communism to the feeble minded who need their opinions spoonfed to them  YOY   Jan-23-08 08:14 AM   #5 
  - especially since the evil empire- the soviet union was the union of soviet socialist republics- ussr  QuestionAll   Jan-23-08 09:20 AM   #28 
     - and we're a democratic republic but many American's think us a "democracy".  YOY   Jan-23-08 09:23 AM   #31 
     - This is not a "democratic republic". This is an oligarchic republic.  bean fidhleir   Jan-23-08 04:53 PM   #101 
     - That was my first thought also  conscious evolution   Jan-23-08 09:37 AM   #34 
  - Nothing. n/t  LWolf   Jan-23-08 08:16 AM   #6 
  - Absolutely nothing.  Tyler Durden   Jan-23-08 08:17 AM   #7 
  - This is Social Legislation ....  Trajan   Jan-23-08 08:24 AM   #9 
  - No, COMMUNISM is where the 'State' owns the means of production.  Tyler Durden   Jan-23-08 08:37 AM   #12 
  - From Wikipedia ...  Trajan   Jan-23-08 09:02 AM   #21 
     - Right. It's Wikipedia.  Tyler Durden   Jan-23-08 09:09 AM   #24 
  - You're correct  JVS   Jan-23-08 11:21 AM   #64 
     - A few minor points  insanity   Jan-23-08 12:04 PM   #67 
        - You are speaking of Socialism as though everyone agrees with Kautsky  JVS   Jan-23-08 12:15 PM   #68 
  - We should be so lucky. nt  bemildred   Jan-23-08 08:26 AM   #10 
  - You can't rule the world  Annces   Jan-23-08 08:28 AM   #11 
  - it makes it harder to keep some people down  stuntcat   Jan-23-08 08:41 AM   #13 
  - So if you have a child you are not allowed to work for 2 months?  RGBolen   Jan-23-08 08:42 AM   #15 
  - More to the point  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-23-08 10:45 AM   #49 
  - Since you're the boss, the kid comes  femrap   Jan-23-08 04:24 PM   #99 
     - I've never been around them but I can't think taking a newborn to work is very productive  RGBolen   Jan-23-08 07:46 PM   #111 
        - And gee...it looks like  femrap   Jan-24-08 10:58 AM   #121 
           - I have the furthest thing from that mentality, I do not father or raise children, that is for others  RGBolen   Jan-24-08 04:17 PM   #129 
  - Rampant selfishness is harder to express....  LeftinOH   Jan-23-08 08:46 AM   #16 
  - Planned economies of any type are less efficient than free market economies.  originalpckelly   Jan-23-08 08:54 AM   #17 
  - But they are more stable and capable of dealing w/rapid progress n/t  Fredda Weinberg   Jan-23-08 09:01 AM   #20 
  - Indeed, but the authority required to effectively implement a plan...  originalpckelly   Jan-23-08 09:05 AM   #23 
  - That's what the Rule of Law is for....  Tyler Durden   Jan-23-08 09:16 AM   #27 
     - Neither will sweeden or socialism... point?  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-23-08 10:46 AM   #50 
        - Socialism will last  ProudDad   Jan-23-08 12:53 PM   #76 
           - No, it really wont..  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-23-08 01:03 PM   #78 
              - "aquatically address the balance"?  martymar64   Jan-23-08 05:34 PM   #107 
                 - Im quite comfortable with the fact  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-24-08 02:07 AM   #117 
  - Just the opposite  AngryAmish   Jan-23-08 10:56 AM   #54 
     - Um, you're using a computer, on the internet, right? Extrapolate. n/t  blindpig   Jan-23-08 12:18 PM   #69 
        - ?  AngryAmish   Jan-23-08 12:38 PM   #71 
           - computers and telecommunication can handle the job easily.  blindpig   Jan-23-08 01:17 PM   #83 
              - I think I was unclear  AngryAmish   Jan-23-08 01:46 PM   #84 
                 - Not a problem.  blindpig   Jan-23-08 02:56 PM   #86 
  - Central planning definitly exists here in the US  conscious evolution   Jan-23-08 09:46 AM   #36 
  - Absolutely. It all ends up in a monopoly  NoMoreMyths   Jan-23-08 10:09 AM   #42 
  - Have you looked at our free market economy recently?  sinkingfeeling   Jan-23-08 10:02 AM   #40 
  - Efficient to what purpose?  blindpig   Jan-23-08 11:32 AM   #65 
  - a centralized planned economy might be less efficient  endarkenment   Jan-23-08 03:42 PM   #93 
  - And Capitalism is an example of a centrally-planned economy  bean fidhleir   Jan-23-08 05:00 PM   #102 
  - Socialism means a wide range of things  bryant69   Jan-23-08 09:04 AM   #22 
  - Captialism and Communism are enemies.  Tyler Durden   Jan-23-08 09:13 AM   #25 
     - Socialism is the unifying of microstates into a larger state, it is contradictory...  originalpckelly   Jan-23-08 09:32 AM   #33 
        - Yes, it is YOUR theory.  Tyler Durden   Jan-23-08 10:01 AM   #39 
        - You're misunderstanding entropy  Hydra   Jan-23-08 03:28 PM   #87 
  - Socialism is the only thing that can save this country  Xenotime   Jan-23-08 09:22 AM   #30 
  - capitalism is a failure  lovuian   Jan-23-08 11:07 AM   #59 
  - I agree, the 1990's were much like the 1920's..  Virginia Dare   Jan-23-08 11:21 AM   #63 
  - US population: over 300,000,000  NoMoreMyths   Jan-23-08 09:26 AM   #32 
  - People easily forget those facts 'round here  Snarkturian Clone   Jan-23-08 12:47 PM   #74 
  - For Life, Liberty, and N, there are two versions of N.  Jed Dilligan   Jan-23-08 09:43 AM   #35 
  - Most people miss that. :)  Unvanguard   Jan-23-08 03:43 PM   #94 
  - You really need to update your understanding of socialism  bean fidhleir   Jan-23-08 05:09 PM   #103 
     - No, I'm talking about any social program  Jed Dilligan   Jan-23-08 06:54 PM   #110 
        - Your formulation implies that government is a separate entity  bean fidhleir   Jan-24-08 04:55 AM   #119 
           - I doubt that people will ever feel that way  Jed Dilligan   Jan-24-08 11:14 AM   #122 
              - It seems to me that if we want to live, we'd better start altering  bean fidhleir   Jan-24-08 11:52 AM   #123 
                 - For one thing, we need much smaller countries  Jed Dilligan   Jan-24-08 11:53 AM   #124 
                    - I don't see why.  bean fidhleir   Jan-24-08 12:03 PM   #125 
                       - You really think the ruling class is that large?  Jed Dilligan   Jan-24-08 12:10 PM   #126 
                          - I was trying to be as generous as possible  bean fidhleir   Jan-24-08 12:29 PM   #127 
                             - I'd say its harder to organize a large number of people  Jed Dilligan   Jan-24-08 12:49 PM   #128 
  - Some Socialism Is Good. There's Also Some Socialism Already Established Here.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jan-23-08 09:48 AM   #37 
  - Spot on post n/t  DadOf2LittleAngels   Jan-23-08 01:06 PM   #79 
  - 90 years of anti-communist, pro capitalist brainwashing. n/t  stimbox   Jan-23-08 09:50 AM   #38 
  - Nothing is wrong with socialism.  readmoreoften   Jan-23-08 10:12 AM   #43 
  - Socialism is meaningless.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jan-23-08 10:37 AM   #46 
  - One version certainly has greater moral authority/precedence than the other  Echo In Light   Jan-23-08 10:46 AM   #51 
     - Which?  Donald Ian Rankin   Jan-23-08 12:32 PM   #70 
        - That's why I specified "moral" authority, which is antithetical to authoritarianism  Echo In Light   Jan-23-08 08:20 PM   #112 
  - because oligarchs and their corporations  leftofthedial   Jan-23-08 10:48 AM   #52 
  - As others have mentioned,  area51   Jan-23-08 10:50 AM   #53 
  - One would think that's something a "Christian" nation would WANT to do  Echo In Light   Jan-23-08 11:05 AM   #58 
  - What is wrong with the Socialist platform below? Nothing.  stimbox   Jan-23-08 11:03 AM   #56 
  - Capitalism NEEDS socialism.  Orsino   Jan-23-08 11:05 AM   #57 
  - Captialism REGULATED by Democratic Socialism...  Tyler Durden   Jan-23-08 11:18 AM   #62 
  - Actually capitalism NEEDS slavery.  shance   Jan-23-08 12:39 PM   #73 
     - That won't last, either.  Orsino   Jan-23-08 01:15 PM   #82 
  - Wow. It is so great to see this thread.  MGKrebs   Jan-23-08 11:17 AM   #61 
  - If you don't like socialism, get off my sidewalk.  Perry Logan   Jan-23-08 12:39 PM   #72 
  - Probably human nature  ismnotwasm   Jan-23-08 01:07 PM   #80 
  - Nothing....but we're too brainwashed to believe it.  Desertrose   Jan-23-08 01:08 PM   #81 
  - it requires people. w/o people its great! nt  montanto   Jan-23-08 02:54 PM   #85 
  - Sweden is not socialist. We can do even better than that. n/t  Unvanguard   Jan-23-08 03:29 PM   #88 
  - Sweeden is actually more free-market oriented than we are in several ways.  water   Jan-23-08 03:32 PM   #89 
  - Volvo, Saab, Ericsson, IKEA, Electrolux, Husqvarna - all Swedish companies  Canuckistanian   Jan-23-08 05:13 PM   #104 
  - We've been brainwashed that socialism equals Soviet style  Cleita   Jan-23-08 03:33 PM   #91 
  - You hit it on the nose.  readmoreoften   Jan-24-08 03:01 AM   #118 
  - a) nothing as long as it is democratic b) we are idiots. nt.  endarkenment   Jan-23-08 03:40 PM   #92 
  - Absolutely nothing  Paint It Black   Jan-23-08 03:48 PM   #95 
  - Bismark instituted many socialist programs in Germany  kineneb   Jan-23-08 04:01 PM   #96 
  - Because there are greedy, evil people  femrap   Jan-23-08 04:11 PM   #97 
  - It threatens the freedom of a powerful elite to enslave, exploit, and impoverish people  killbotfactory   Jan-23-08 04:45 PM   #100 
  - It's all about our Masters' freedom...  djohnson   Jan-23-08 05:26 PM   #105 
     - "Communism and Socialism and Libertarianism is about  Disturbed   Jan-23-08 05:59 PM   #109 
        - "If the term Socialism was not used in a Poll but the concepts were used"  bean fidhleir   Jan-24-08 04:57 AM   #120 
  - Has anyone noticed that the ads  bean fidhleir   Jan-23-08 05:38 PM   #108 
  - Who'd practice it?  HypnoToad   Jan-23-08 08:27 PM   #114 
  - Goes beyond something merely "practiced." The collective consciousness here is poisoned  Echo In Light   Jan-23-08 08:30 PM   #115 
  - 'So why....  unkachuck   Jan-23-08 09:06 PM   #116 
  - it's largely a semantic issue  JustinL   Jan-25-08 04:57 AM   #130 
 

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