Tyler Durden
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Wed Jan-23-08 11:18 AM
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| 62. Captialism REGULATED by Democratic Socialism... |
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Probably stable enough for us to work out the rest of the shit that plagues us and the world, AND stop the inevitable Extinction Level Event from some big mucking rock.
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| -So What's Wrong With Socialism? |
pippin |
Jan-23-08 08:00 AM |
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It's easier when society is homogenous. Our national history |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jan-23-08 08:02 AM |
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at least that's what we are told... |
YOY |
Jan-23-08 08:23 AM |
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I can. Kibbutzim sprung up all over the new Israeli state ... did you |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jan-23-08 08:58 AM |
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Sort of like our lifestyle imposed on the Native Americans.... |
Tyler Durden |
Jan-23-08 08:41 AM |
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I take it you're a utopian? I was, a long time ago, then I studied the |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jan-23-08 09:00 AM |
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Not a Utopian. |
Tyler Durden |
Jan-23-08 09:15 AM |
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Authoritarian followers and (potential) leaders... |
Cassandra |
Jan-23-08 09:21 AM |
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Again, that's what the Rule of Law is for. |
Tyler Durden |
Jan-23-08 10:02 AM |
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Well, we have seen what happens when... |
Cassandra |
Jan-23-08 10:29 AM |
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Anarchy is NOT a stable system. |
Tyler Durden |
Jan-23-08 10:36 AM |
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Anarchy threatens every vunerable system, which is why it |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jan-23-08 10:56 AM |
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Exactly. |
Tyler Durden |
Jan-23-08 11:16 AM |
#60 |
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I don't think. When I lived in Delray Beach, I went downtown every |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jan-23-08 11:43 AM |
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I would disagree strongly. |
bean fidhleir |
Jan-23-08 05:28 PM |
#106 |
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When everyone has the authority to stop the production line, you'd |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jan-23-08 08:24 PM |
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Since when have anarchists been opposed to equality under the law? |
Unvanguard |
Jan-23-08 03:32 PM |
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I think they will share (the followers) |
femrap |
Jan-23-08 04:14 PM |
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USAmerikan national history |
ProudDad |
Jan-23-08 12:51 PM |
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End history? Nope. The best we can hope for is to learn the lessons |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jan-23-08 12:57 PM |
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Another thing that has been pounded into us for so long. If you look at socialism, it is not any |
EV_Ares |
Jan-23-08 08:04 AM |
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I think any pure ism is bad period... |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-23-08 10:42 AM |
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Greedy, selfish people hate it. |
Xap |
Jan-23-08 08:06 AM |
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You got it. There's the ugly truth. Too bad so many supposed "liberals" share in that |
Echo In Light |
Jan-23-08 10:45 AM |
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Americans all think they're going to be rich one day |
new_beawr |
Jan-23-08 08:11 AM |
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It's easily confusable to communism to the feeble minded who need their opinions spoonfed to them |
YOY |
Jan-23-08 08:14 AM |
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especially since the evil empire- the soviet union was the union of soviet socialist republics- ussr |
QuestionAll |
Jan-23-08 09:20 AM |
#28 |
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and we're a democratic republic but many American's think us a "democracy". |
YOY |
Jan-23-08 09:23 AM |
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This is not a "democratic republic". This is an oligarchic republic. |
bean fidhleir |
Jan-23-08 04:53 PM |
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That was my first thought also |
conscious evolution |
Jan-23-08 09:37 AM |
#34 |
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Nothing. n/t |
LWolf |
Jan-23-08 08:16 AM |
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Absolutely nothing. |
Tyler Durden |
Jan-23-08 08:17 AM |
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This is Social Legislation .... |
Trajan |
Jan-23-08 08:24 AM |
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No, COMMUNISM is where the 'State' owns the means of production. |
Tyler Durden |
Jan-23-08 08:37 AM |
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From Wikipedia ... |
Trajan |
Jan-23-08 09:02 AM |
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Right. It's Wikipedia. |
Tyler Durden |
Jan-23-08 09:09 AM |
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You're correct |
JVS |
Jan-23-08 11:21 AM |
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A few minor points |
insanity |
Jan-23-08 12:04 PM |
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You are speaking of Socialism as though everyone agrees with Kautsky |
JVS |
Jan-23-08 12:15 PM |
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We should be so lucky. nt |
bemildred |
Jan-23-08 08:26 AM |
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You can't rule the world |
Annces |
Jan-23-08 08:28 AM |
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it makes it harder to keep some people down |
stuntcat |
Jan-23-08 08:41 AM |
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So if you have a child you are not allowed to work for 2 months? |
RGBolen |
Jan-23-08 08:42 AM |
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More to the point |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-23-08 10:45 AM |
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Since you're the boss, the kid comes |
femrap |
Jan-23-08 04:24 PM |
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I've never been around them but I can't think taking a newborn to work is very productive |
RGBolen |
Jan-23-08 07:46 PM |
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And gee...it looks like |
femrap |
Jan-24-08 10:58 AM |
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I have the furthest thing from that mentality, I do not father or raise children, that is for others |
RGBolen |
Jan-24-08 04:17 PM |
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Rampant selfishness is harder to express.... |
LeftinOH |
Jan-23-08 08:46 AM |
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Planned economies of any type are less efficient than free market economies. |
originalpckelly |
Jan-23-08 08:54 AM |
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But they are more stable and capable of dealing w/rapid progress n/t |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jan-23-08 09:01 AM |
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Indeed, but the authority required to effectively implement a plan... |
originalpckelly |
Jan-23-08 09:05 AM |
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That's what the Rule of Law is for.... |
Tyler Durden |
Jan-23-08 09:16 AM |
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Neither will sweeden or socialism... point? |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-23-08 10:46 AM |
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Socialism will last |
ProudDad |
Jan-23-08 12:53 PM |
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No, it really wont.. |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-23-08 01:03 PM |
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"aquatically address the balance"? |
martymar64 |
Jan-23-08 05:34 PM |
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Im quite comfortable with the fact |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-24-08 02:07 AM |
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Just the opposite |
AngryAmish |
Jan-23-08 10:56 AM |
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Um, you're using a computer, on the internet, right? Extrapolate. n/t |
blindpig |
Jan-23-08 12:18 PM |
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? |
AngryAmish |
Jan-23-08 12:38 PM |
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computers and telecommunication can handle the job easily. |
blindpig |
Jan-23-08 01:17 PM |
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I think I was unclear |
AngryAmish |
Jan-23-08 01:46 PM |
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Not a problem. |
blindpig |
Jan-23-08 02:56 PM |
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Central planning definitly exists here in the US |
conscious evolution |
Jan-23-08 09:46 AM |
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Absolutely. It all ends up in a monopoly |
NoMoreMyths |
Jan-23-08 10:09 AM |
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Have you looked at our free market economy recently? |
sinkingfeeling |
Jan-23-08 10:02 AM |
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Efficient to what purpose? |
blindpig |
Jan-23-08 11:32 AM |
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a centralized planned economy might be less efficient |
endarkenment |
Jan-23-08 03:42 PM |
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And Capitalism is an example of a centrally-planned economy |
bean fidhleir |
Jan-23-08 05:00 PM |
#102 |
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Socialism means a wide range of things |
bryant69 |
Jan-23-08 09:04 AM |
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Captialism and Communism are enemies. |
Tyler Durden |
Jan-23-08 09:13 AM |
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Socialism is the unifying of microstates into a larger state, it is contradictory... |
originalpckelly |
Jan-23-08 09:32 AM |
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Yes, it is YOUR theory. |
Tyler Durden |
Jan-23-08 10:01 AM |
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You're misunderstanding entropy |
Hydra |
Jan-23-08 03:28 PM |
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Socialism is the only thing that can save this country |
Xenotime |
Jan-23-08 09:22 AM |
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capitalism is a failure |
lovuian |
Jan-23-08 11:07 AM |
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I agree, the 1990's were much like the 1920's.. |
Virginia Dare |
Jan-23-08 11:21 AM |
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US population: over 300,000,000 |
NoMoreMyths |
Jan-23-08 09:26 AM |
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People easily forget those facts 'round here |
Snarkturian Clone |
Jan-23-08 12:47 PM |
#74 |
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For Life, Liberty, and N, there are two versions of N. |
Jed Dilligan |
Jan-23-08 09:43 AM |
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Most people miss that. :) |
Unvanguard |
Jan-23-08 03:43 PM |
#94 |
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You really need to update your understanding of socialism |
bean fidhleir |
Jan-23-08 05:09 PM |
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No, I'm talking about any social program |
Jed Dilligan |
Jan-23-08 06:54 PM |
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Your formulation implies that government is a separate entity |
bean fidhleir |
Jan-24-08 04:55 AM |
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I doubt that people will ever feel that way |
Jed Dilligan |
Jan-24-08 11:14 AM |
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It seems to me that if we want to live, we'd better start altering |
bean fidhleir |
Jan-24-08 11:52 AM |
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For one thing, we need much smaller countries |
Jed Dilligan |
Jan-24-08 11:53 AM |
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I don't see why. |
bean fidhleir |
Jan-24-08 12:03 PM |
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You really think the ruling class is that large? |
Jed Dilligan |
Jan-24-08 12:10 PM |
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I was trying to be as generous as possible |
bean fidhleir |
Jan-24-08 12:29 PM |
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I'd say its harder to organize a large number of people |
Jed Dilligan |
Jan-24-08 12:49 PM |
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Some Socialism Is Good. There's Also Some Socialism Already Established Here. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jan-23-08 09:48 AM |
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Spot on post n/t |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-23-08 01:06 PM |
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90 years of anti-communist, pro capitalist brainwashing. n/t |
stimbox |
Jan-23-08 09:50 AM |
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Nothing is wrong with socialism. |
readmoreoften |
Jan-23-08 10:12 AM |
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Socialism is meaningless. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jan-23-08 10:37 AM |
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One version certainly has greater moral authority/precedence than the other |
Echo In Light |
Jan-23-08 10:46 AM |
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Which? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jan-23-08 12:32 PM |
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That's why I specified "moral" authority, which is antithetical to authoritarianism |
Echo In Light |
Jan-23-08 08:20 PM |
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because oligarchs and their corporations |
leftofthedial |
Jan-23-08 10:48 AM |
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As others have mentioned, |
area51 |
Jan-23-08 10:50 AM |
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One would think that's something a "Christian" nation would WANT to do |
Echo In Light |
Jan-23-08 11:05 AM |
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What is wrong with the Socialist platform below? Nothing. |
stimbox |
Jan-23-08 11:03 AM |
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Capitalism NEEDS socialism. |
Orsino |
Jan-23-08 11:05 AM |
#57 |
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Captialism REGULATED by Democratic Socialism... |
Tyler Durden |
Jan-23-08 11:18 AM |
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Actually capitalism NEEDS slavery. |
shance |
Jan-23-08 12:39 PM |
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That won't last, either. |
Orsino |
Jan-23-08 01:15 PM |
#82 |
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Wow. It is so great to see this thread. |
MGKrebs |
Jan-23-08 11:17 AM |
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If you don't like socialism, get off my sidewalk. |
Perry Logan |
Jan-23-08 12:39 PM |
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Probably human nature |
ismnotwasm |
Jan-23-08 01:07 PM |
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Nothing....but we're too brainwashed to believe it. |
Desertrose |
Jan-23-08 01:08 PM |
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it requires people. w/o people its great! nt |
montanto |
Jan-23-08 02:54 PM |
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Sweden is not socialist. We can do even better than that. n/t |
Unvanguard |
Jan-23-08 03:29 PM |
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Sweeden is actually more free-market oriented than we are in several ways. |
water |
Jan-23-08 03:32 PM |
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Volvo, Saab, Ericsson, IKEA, Electrolux, Husqvarna - all Swedish companies |
Canuckistanian |
Jan-23-08 05:13 PM |
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We've been brainwashed that socialism equals Soviet style |
Cleita |
Jan-23-08 03:33 PM |
#91 |
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You hit it on the nose. |
readmoreoften |
Jan-24-08 03:01 AM |
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a) nothing as long as it is democratic b) we are idiots. nt. |
endarkenment |
Jan-23-08 03:40 PM |
#92 |
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Absolutely nothing |
Paint It Black |
Jan-23-08 03:48 PM |
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Bismark instituted many socialist programs in Germany |
kineneb |
Jan-23-08 04:01 PM |
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Because there are greedy, evil people |
femrap |
Jan-23-08 04:11 PM |
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It threatens the freedom of a powerful elite to enslave, exploit, and impoverish people |
killbotfactory |
Jan-23-08 04:45 PM |
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It's all about our Masters' freedom... |
djohnson |
Jan-23-08 05:26 PM |
#105 |
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"Communism and Socialism and Libertarianism is about |
Disturbed |
Jan-23-08 05:59 PM |
#109 |
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"If the term Socialism was not used in a Poll but the concepts were used" |
bean fidhleir |
Jan-24-08 04:57 AM |
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Has anyone noticed that the ads |
bean fidhleir |
Jan-23-08 05:38 PM |
#108 |
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Who'd practice it? |
HypnoToad |
Jan-23-08 08:27 PM |
#114 |
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Goes beyond something merely "practiced." The collective consciousness here is poisoned |
Echo In Light |
Jan-23-08 08:30 PM |
#115 |
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'So why.... |
unkachuck |
Jan-23-08 09:06 PM |
#116 |
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it's largely a semantic issue |
JustinL |
Jan-25-08 04:57 AM |
#130 |
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