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Wed Jan-23-08 09:37 AM
Response to Reply #28 |
| 34. That was my first thought also |
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Too many people have been brainwashed into thinking socialism is bad because of its inclusion into communist Russia's name.
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| -So What's Wrong With Socialism? |
pippin |
Jan-23-08 08:00 AM |
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It's easier when society is homogenous. Our national history |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jan-23-08 08:02 AM |
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at least that's what we are told... |
YOY |
Jan-23-08 08:23 AM |
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I can. Kibbutzim sprung up all over the new Israeli state ... did you |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jan-23-08 08:58 AM |
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Sort of like our lifestyle imposed on the Native Americans.... |
Tyler Durden |
Jan-23-08 08:41 AM |
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I take it you're a utopian? I was, a long time ago, then I studied the |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jan-23-08 09:00 AM |
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Not a Utopian. |
Tyler Durden |
Jan-23-08 09:15 AM |
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Authoritarian followers and (potential) leaders... |
Cassandra |
Jan-23-08 09:21 AM |
#29 |
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Again, that's what the Rule of Law is for. |
Tyler Durden |
Jan-23-08 10:02 AM |
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Well, we have seen what happens when... |
Cassandra |
Jan-23-08 10:29 AM |
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Anarchy is NOT a stable system. |
Tyler Durden |
Jan-23-08 10:36 AM |
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Anarchy threatens every vunerable system, which is why it |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jan-23-08 10:56 AM |
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Exactly. |
Tyler Durden |
Jan-23-08 11:16 AM |
#60 |
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I don't think. When I lived in Delray Beach, I went downtown every |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jan-23-08 11:43 AM |
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I would disagree strongly. |
bean fidhleir |
Jan-23-08 05:28 PM |
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When everyone has the authority to stop the production line, you'd |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jan-23-08 08:24 PM |
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Since when have anarchists been opposed to equality under the law? |
Unvanguard |
Jan-23-08 03:32 PM |
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I think they will share (the followers) |
femrap |
Jan-23-08 04:14 PM |
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USAmerikan national history |
ProudDad |
Jan-23-08 12:51 PM |
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End history? Nope. The best we can hope for is to learn the lessons |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jan-23-08 12:57 PM |
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Another thing that has been pounded into us for so long. If you look at socialism, it is not any |
EV_Ares |
Jan-23-08 08:04 AM |
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I think any pure ism is bad period... |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-23-08 10:42 AM |
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Greedy, selfish people hate it. |
Xap |
Jan-23-08 08:06 AM |
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You got it. There's the ugly truth. Too bad so many supposed "liberals" share in that |
Echo In Light |
Jan-23-08 10:45 AM |
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Americans all think they're going to be rich one day |
new_beawr |
Jan-23-08 08:11 AM |
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It's easily confusable to communism to the feeble minded who need their opinions spoonfed to them |
YOY |
Jan-23-08 08:14 AM |
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especially since the evil empire- the soviet union was the union of soviet socialist republics- ussr |
QuestionAll |
Jan-23-08 09:20 AM |
#28 |
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and we're a democratic republic but many American's think us a "democracy". |
YOY |
Jan-23-08 09:23 AM |
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This is not a "democratic republic". This is an oligarchic republic. |
bean fidhleir |
Jan-23-08 04:53 PM |
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That was my first thought also |
conscious evolution |
Jan-23-08 09:37 AM |
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Nothing. n/t |
LWolf |
Jan-23-08 08:16 AM |
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Absolutely nothing. |
Tyler Durden |
Jan-23-08 08:17 AM |
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This is Social Legislation .... |
Trajan |
Jan-23-08 08:24 AM |
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No, COMMUNISM is where the 'State' owns the means of production. |
Tyler Durden |
Jan-23-08 08:37 AM |
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From Wikipedia ... |
Trajan |
Jan-23-08 09:02 AM |
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Right. It's Wikipedia. |
Tyler Durden |
Jan-23-08 09:09 AM |
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You're correct |
JVS |
Jan-23-08 11:21 AM |
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A few minor points |
insanity |
Jan-23-08 12:04 PM |
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You are speaking of Socialism as though everyone agrees with Kautsky |
JVS |
Jan-23-08 12:15 PM |
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We should be so lucky. nt |
bemildred |
Jan-23-08 08:26 AM |
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You can't rule the world |
Annces |
Jan-23-08 08:28 AM |
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it makes it harder to keep some people down |
stuntcat |
Jan-23-08 08:41 AM |
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So if you have a child you are not allowed to work for 2 months? |
RGBolen |
Jan-23-08 08:42 AM |
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More to the point |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-23-08 10:45 AM |
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Since you're the boss, the kid comes |
femrap |
Jan-23-08 04:24 PM |
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I've never been around them but I can't think taking a newborn to work is very productive |
RGBolen |
Jan-23-08 07:46 PM |
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And gee...it looks like |
femrap |
Jan-24-08 10:58 AM |
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I have the furthest thing from that mentality, I do not father or raise children, that is for others |
RGBolen |
Jan-24-08 04:17 PM |
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Rampant selfishness is harder to express.... |
LeftinOH |
Jan-23-08 08:46 AM |
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Planned economies of any type are less efficient than free market economies. |
originalpckelly |
Jan-23-08 08:54 AM |
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But they are more stable and capable of dealing w/rapid progress n/t |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jan-23-08 09:01 AM |
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Indeed, but the authority required to effectively implement a plan... |
originalpckelly |
Jan-23-08 09:05 AM |
#23 |
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That's what the Rule of Law is for.... |
Tyler Durden |
Jan-23-08 09:16 AM |
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Neither will sweeden or socialism... point? |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-23-08 10:46 AM |
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Socialism will last |
ProudDad |
Jan-23-08 12:53 PM |
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No, it really wont.. |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-23-08 01:03 PM |
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"aquatically address the balance"? |
martymar64 |
Jan-23-08 05:34 PM |
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Im quite comfortable with the fact |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-24-08 02:07 AM |
#117 |
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Just the opposite |
AngryAmish |
Jan-23-08 10:56 AM |
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Um, you're using a computer, on the internet, right? Extrapolate. n/t |
blindpig |
Jan-23-08 12:18 PM |
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? |
AngryAmish |
Jan-23-08 12:38 PM |
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computers and telecommunication can handle the job easily. |
blindpig |
Jan-23-08 01:17 PM |
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I think I was unclear |
AngryAmish |
Jan-23-08 01:46 PM |
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Not a problem. |
blindpig |
Jan-23-08 02:56 PM |
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Central planning definitly exists here in the US |
conscious evolution |
Jan-23-08 09:46 AM |
#36 |
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Absolutely. It all ends up in a monopoly |
NoMoreMyths |
Jan-23-08 10:09 AM |
#42 |
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Have you looked at our free market economy recently? |
sinkingfeeling |
Jan-23-08 10:02 AM |
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Efficient to what purpose? |
blindpig |
Jan-23-08 11:32 AM |
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a centralized planned economy might be less efficient |
endarkenment |
Jan-23-08 03:42 PM |
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And Capitalism is an example of a centrally-planned economy |
bean fidhleir |
Jan-23-08 05:00 PM |
#102 |
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Socialism means a wide range of things |
bryant69 |
Jan-23-08 09:04 AM |
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Captialism and Communism are enemies. |
Tyler Durden |
Jan-23-08 09:13 AM |
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Socialism is the unifying of microstates into a larger state, it is contradictory... |
originalpckelly |
Jan-23-08 09:32 AM |
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Yes, it is YOUR theory. |
Tyler Durden |
Jan-23-08 10:01 AM |
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You're misunderstanding entropy |
Hydra |
Jan-23-08 03:28 PM |
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Socialism is the only thing that can save this country |
Xenotime |
Jan-23-08 09:22 AM |
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capitalism is a failure |
lovuian |
Jan-23-08 11:07 AM |
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I agree, the 1990's were much like the 1920's.. |
Virginia Dare |
Jan-23-08 11:21 AM |
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US population: over 300,000,000 |
NoMoreMyths |
Jan-23-08 09:26 AM |
#32 |
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People easily forget those facts 'round here |
Snarkturian Clone |
Jan-23-08 12:47 PM |
#74 |
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For Life, Liberty, and N, there are two versions of N. |
Jed Dilligan |
Jan-23-08 09:43 AM |
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Most people miss that. :) |
Unvanguard |
Jan-23-08 03:43 PM |
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You really need to update your understanding of socialism |
bean fidhleir |
Jan-23-08 05:09 PM |
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No, I'm talking about any social program |
Jed Dilligan |
Jan-23-08 06:54 PM |
#110 |
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Your formulation implies that government is a separate entity |
bean fidhleir |
Jan-24-08 04:55 AM |
#119 |
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I doubt that people will ever feel that way |
Jed Dilligan |
Jan-24-08 11:14 AM |
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It seems to me that if we want to live, we'd better start altering |
bean fidhleir |
Jan-24-08 11:52 AM |
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For one thing, we need much smaller countries |
Jed Dilligan |
Jan-24-08 11:53 AM |
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I don't see why. |
bean fidhleir |
Jan-24-08 12:03 PM |
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You really think the ruling class is that large? |
Jed Dilligan |
Jan-24-08 12:10 PM |
#126 |
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I was trying to be as generous as possible |
bean fidhleir |
Jan-24-08 12:29 PM |
#127 |
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I'd say its harder to organize a large number of people |
Jed Dilligan |
Jan-24-08 12:49 PM |
#128 |
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Some Socialism Is Good. There's Also Some Socialism Already Established Here. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Jan-23-08 09:48 AM |
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Spot on post n/t |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Jan-23-08 01:06 PM |
#79 |
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90 years of anti-communist, pro capitalist brainwashing. n/t |
stimbox |
Jan-23-08 09:50 AM |
#38 |
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Nothing is wrong with socialism. |
readmoreoften |
Jan-23-08 10:12 AM |
#43 |
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Socialism is meaningless. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jan-23-08 10:37 AM |
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One version certainly has greater moral authority/precedence than the other |
Echo In Light |
Jan-23-08 10:46 AM |
#51 |
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Which? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jan-23-08 12:32 PM |
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That's why I specified "moral" authority, which is antithetical to authoritarianism |
Echo In Light |
Jan-23-08 08:20 PM |
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because oligarchs and their corporations |
leftofthedial |
Jan-23-08 10:48 AM |
#52 |
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As others have mentioned, |
area51 |
Jan-23-08 10:50 AM |
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One would think that's something a "Christian" nation would WANT to do |
Echo In Light |
Jan-23-08 11:05 AM |
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What is wrong with the Socialist platform below? Nothing. |
stimbox |
Jan-23-08 11:03 AM |
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Capitalism NEEDS socialism. |
Orsino |
Jan-23-08 11:05 AM |
#57 |
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Captialism REGULATED by Democratic Socialism... |
Tyler Durden |
Jan-23-08 11:18 AM |
#62 |
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Actually capitalism NEEDS slavery. |
shance |
Jan-23-08 12:39 PM |
#73 |
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That won't last, either. |
Orsino |
Jan-23-08 01:15 PM |
#82 |
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Wow. It is so great to see this thread. |
MGKrebs |
Jan-23-08 11:17 AM |
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If you don't like socialism, get off my sidewalk. |
Perry Logan |
Jan-23-08 12:39 PM |
#72 |
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Probably human nature |
ismnotwasm |
Jan-23-08 01:07 PM |
#80 |
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Nothing....but we're too brainwashed to believe it. |
Desertrose |
Jan-23-08 01:08 PM |
#81 |
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it requires people. w/o people its great! nt |
montanto |
Jan-23-08 02:54 PM |
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Sweden is not socialist. We can do even better than that. n/t |
Unvanguard |
Jan-23-08 03:29 PM |
#88 |
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Sweeden is actually more free-market oriented than we are in several ways. |
water |
Jan-23-08 03:32 PM |
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Volvo, Saab, Ericsson, IKEA, Electrolux, Husqvarna - all Swedish companies |
Canuckistanian |
Jan-23-08 05:13 PM |
#104 |
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We've been brainwashed that socialism equals Soviet style |
Cleita |
Jan-23-08 03:33 PM |
#91 |
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You hit it on the nose. |
readmoreoften |
Jan-24-08 03:01 AM |
#118 |
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a) nothing as long as it is democratic b) we are idiots. nt. |
endarkenment |
Jan-23-08 03:40 PM |
#92 |
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Absolutely nothing |
Paint It Black |
Jan-23-08 03:48 PM |
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Bismark instituted many socialist programs in Germany |
kineneb |
Jan-23-08 04:01 PM |
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Because there are greedy, evil people |
femrap |
Jan-23-08 04:11 PM |
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It threatens the freedom of a powerful elite to enslave, exploit, and impoverish people |
killbotfactory |
Jan-23-08 04:45 PM |
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It's all about our Masters' freedom... |
djohnson |
Jan-23-08 05:26 PM |
#105 |
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"Communism and Socialism and Libertarianism is about |
Disturbed |
Jan-23-08 05:59 PM |
#109 |
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"If the term Socialism was not used in a Poll but the concepts were used" |
bean fidhleir |
Jan-24-08 04:57 AM |
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Has anyone noticed that the ads |
bean fidhleir |
Jan-23-08 05:38 PM |
#108 |
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Who'd practice it? |
HypnoToad |
Jan-23-08 08:27 PM |
#114 |
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Goes beyond something merely "practiced." The collective consciousness here is poisoned |
Echo In Light |
Jan-23-08 08:30 PM |
#115 |
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'So why.... |
unkachuck |
Jan-23-08 09:06 PM |
#116 |
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it's largely a semantic issue |
JustinL |
Jan-25-08 04:57 AM |
#130 |
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