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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:54 PM
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87. But The Reason Is Not Valid
to say Edwards isn't doing better because people don't see him as sincere isn't completely on the mark because H. Clinton does well even though people don't see her as sincere.

So, if it is perceived sincerity, that's only part of the picture, otherwise Clinton would not be doing so well.

I think it's a lot of things. From the very beginning, the media wanted a two person race Clinton vs. Obama. It's a fascinating dynamic - a woman vs. an African American. One of the most well known people in Washington vs. the "young" idealistic newcomer. The only way it would have been better is if Obama was a governor.

Edwards doesn't fit into the mix. He's not new and fresh, but he's not a powerhouse either. There's nothing particularly of interest about him. So, he ups the intensity of the message.

On to the message. It's a little bitter, a little harsh. If some one is middle class, they may not connect with Edwards, and may resent being grouped in with poor people. Or, they may see his lifestyle, his voting record and think there's a disconnect. Maybe. Or maybe Edwards is merely human and feels the conflicts we all do in wanting to enjoy the fruits of our labor, but feeling for those who are not as well of as we are. But, because of his message, his lifestyle and voting record get additional scrutiny and cause him to be judged by a tougher standard.

He never really had a chance. I wish I were more optimistic about his chances. I wish I felt more confident that 01-20-09 really will be a grand day.
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  -Why is John Edwards not doing better? kentuck  Jan-19-08 07:16 AM   #0 
  - I think he comes across as way too slick  MonkeyFunk   Jan-19-08 07:20 AM   #1 
  - you are so used to slick.. you don't recognize rational and honest,  sam sarrha   Jan-19-08 07:30 AM   #10 
  - Nope  MonkeyFunk   Jan-19-08 07:48 AM   #15 
     - I agree, the rhetoric doesn't match the record  ngant17   Jan-20-08 10:25 PM   #103 
  - Could Say The Same About Hillary  iamjoy   Jan-19-08 08:08 AM   #21 
  - The question was why isn't Edwards doing well  MonkeyFunk   Jan-19-08 12:02 PM   #60 
     - But The Reason Is Not Valid  iamjoy   Jan-19-08 05:54 PM   #87 
  - editorial  jeanruss   Jan-19-08 09:59 AM   #46 
  - You don't think Clinton's criticized every day on TV??  MonkeyFunk   Jan-19-08 12:04 PM   #62 
  - I think BIll Clinton did a better job of showing his roots  XemaSab   Jan-20-08 09:54 PM   #92 
  - You are onto something imo...  polichick   Jan-19-08 07:21 AM   #2 
  - The one thing about why i think is that  sunonmars   Jan-19-08 07:22 AM   #3 
  - I thought this was strange too  Annces   Jan-19-08 07:22 AM   #4 
  - I think its also the hair and thunderbird puppet look.  sunonmars   Jan-19-08 07:23 AM   #5 
  - He and Mitt...  zanne   Jan-19-08 07:24 AM   #8 
     - ROFL  sunonmars   Jan-19-08 08:24 AM   #26 
     - Yeah, but at least with Edwards they filed off the little plastic edge from the mold  XemaSab   Jan-20-08 09:57 PM   #93 
  - The way he framed his messages sucks. It's the equivalent of negative advertising  cryingshame   Jan-19-08 07:23 AM   #6 
  - YES. The message is correct, but it is too negative. If half of America were living in the street,  Mayberry Machiavelli   Jan-19-08 08:02 AM   #20 
  - I don't think it's a mistake.  Orsino   Jan-19-08 09:59 AM   #47 
  - Yes--that's a good way to put it. n/t  swoop   Jan-19-08 11:02 PM   #89 
  - I think the 2008 Edwards would have been better in 2004, when his theme was Two Americas  milkyway   Jan-20-08 10:35 PM   #106 
  - I think that people are looking for change...  zanne   Jan-19-08 07:24 AM   #7 
  - This is a very good question that deserves repeating.........  midnight   Jan-19-08 07:27 AM   #9 
  - The MSM.......The corporate media will not give John Edwards the air  INdemo   Jan-19-08 07:35 AM   #11 
  - ...  Blue State Native   Jan-19-08 07:37 AM   #12 
  - sorry, he got his message out in both NH and Iowa where  cali   Jan-19-08 08:17 AM   #24 
  - he's been consistently cast as an also-ran, ignoring the fact that he's only 6 delegates down  bigtree   Jan-19-08 07:42 AM   #13 
  - Delegate count Hillary 198, Obama 110, Edwards 52. Check ScoreCard  CK_John   Jan-19-08 12:09 PM   #65 
     - superdelegates aside... nt.  Labors of Hercules   Jan-19-08 01:16 PM   #77 
  - I think its because most Americans don't see corporations as the problem.  aikoaiko   Jan-19-08 07:45 AM   #14 
  - agreed  krabigirl   Jan-19-08 10:55 AM   #51 
  - Well, they need to . . . because they ARE.  HughBeaumont   Jan-19-08 11:50 AM   #59 
  - I'm confused, wasn't there a thread recently  Wednesdays   Jan-19-08 07:48 AM   #16 
  - You talking about  spokane   Jan-19-08 12:04 PM   #61 
     - Oh, please....  BlackVelvet04   Jan-19-08 12:38 PM   #70 
        - I'll vouch for that  Wednesdays   Jan-20-08 09:30 PM   #91 
  - Third On A Match  KharmaTrain   Jan-19-08 07:50 AM   #17 
  - Interesting...  kentuck   Jan-19-08 08:01 AM   #19 
  - Interesting analysis...  XemaSab   Jan-20-08 10:05 PM   #97 
  - I think he's "old news." He deserves better. nt  MookieWilson   Jan-19-08 07:59 AM   #18 
  - The first line of the OP has it: Obama and Clinton are better candidates.  robcon   Jan-19-08 08:11 AM   #22 
  - bullshit-- they both lose to the republican canidate polls indicate  natrat   Jan-19-08 09:06 AM   #37 
  - no- they being "firsts" thay are better headlines- and will ensure a closer race in November.  bettyellen   Jan-19-08 12:35 PM   #68 
  - He seems too angry to me...  swoop   Jan-19-08 08:14 AM   #23 
  - Welcome to DU!  Heidi   Jan-19-08 09:08 AM   #38 
  - You have to remember this is a guy  zalinda   Jan-19-08 09:17 AM   #41 
  - They might have...  swoop   Jan-19-08 10:39 AM   #49 
  - I seriously doubt he would go into a negotiating  zalinda   Jan-19-08 11:42 AM   #58 
  - How many cases has he won......I wonder? n/t  spokane   Jan-19-08 12:37 PM   #69 
  - "Too angry"? He's not angry ENOUGH!  tomreedtoon   Jan-19-08 09:17 AM   #42 
  - I totally agree, and I don't want to be united with (most) Republicans  krabigirl   Jan-19-08 10:56 AM   #52 
     - LOL  swoop   Jan-19-08 11:01 PM   #88 
        - You're right, why I remember from history that FDR rolled  lastliberalintexas   Jan-20-08 10:15 PM   #99 
  - Yeah pResident Ki$$ A$$ was just in the ME "dealing" with his bidness buds.  Blue State Native   Jan-19-08 11:01 AM   #53 
  - We need MORE anger, not less  alarimer   Jan-20-08 11:36 PM   #108 
  - fuck sincerity  blindpig   Jan-19-08 08:22 AM   #25 
  - the media has focused even before Iowa on Clinton and Obama because  book_worm   Jan-19-08 08:25 AM   #27 
  - Exactly. The media framed it.  undeterred   Jan-19-08 08:38 AM   #31 
  - He has already been on a losing ticket..  RDANGELO   Jan-19-08 08:30 AM   #28 
  - but one which got 59 million votes--almost 8 million more than any other Dem in history  book_worm   Jan-19-08 08:36 AM   #30 
     - Yep, good point.  RDANGELO   Jan-19-08 08:47 AM   #33 
  - Omaba and Hillary supporters are making much more noise.  Jamastiene   Jan-19-08 08:32 AM   #29 
  - On DU?  XemaSab   Jan-20-08 10:12 PM   #98 
  - His message is watered down Kucinich-lite...  AlertLurker   Jan-19-08 08:41 AM   #32 
  - exactly- the definition of a politician- unfortunately  Blue Congress   Jan-19-08 12:21 PM   #66 
  - hell, if you want slick  frogcycle   Jan-19-08 08:52 AM   #34 
  - this is basic and old news-the 5 oclock news mentions only shillary and obama  natrat   Jan-19-08 09:03 AM   #35 
  - He's running a $30M campaign vs two $100M campaigns either of which WS & MSM would rather see win.  AP   Jan-19-08 09:06 AM   #36 
  - And there's the answer. $$$ rules everything in this country. n/t  Tatiana   Jan-20-08 10:43 PM   #107 
  - hello-corporate media ignore him-and eveyone believes whats on tv , right?  natrat   Jan-19-08 09:08 AM   #39 
  - Hes too damn nice. He should get MAD.  tomreedtoon   Jan-19-08 09:14 AM   #40 
  - Sorry, hon...  swoop   Jan-19-08 09:53 AM   #44 
     - hon?  Blue State Native   Jan-19-08 11:04 AM   #54 
  - It a conspiracy  Prefer   Jan-19-08 09:29 AM   #43 
  - Because the TV says he isn't.  Orsino   Jan-19-08 09:56 AM   #45 
  - I think it's simple  Johonny   Jan-19-08 10:35 AM   #48 
  - With all due respect....  BlackVelvet04   Jan-19-08 10:44 AM   #50 
  - Because he's not a DC insider  OzarkDem   Jan-19-08 11:04 AM   #55 
  - Here comes the clowns blaming the media  Blarch   Jan-19-08 11:12 AM   #56 
  - Listen,  spokane   Jan-19-08 11:38 AM   #57 
  - "people are still fretting from that performance he gave against Dick Cheney"  BlackVelvet04   Jan-19-08 12:42 PM   #71 
  - Having you been reading other posts?  spokane   Jan-19-08 12:55 PM   #72 
     - Yes, I've been reading the posts....  BlackVelvet04   Jan-19-08 03:01 PM   #81 
  - "Same old corporatist song" . . . ever say that about the DLC or Hillary---???  defendandprotect   Jan-20-08 10:00 PM   #95 
  - The people I talked to in Iowa in '04 who were Edwards supporters  XemaSab   Jan-20-08 10:21 PM   #101 
  - I think it's because the corporate media has already gotten  arthritisR_US   Jan-19-08 12:04 PM   #63 
  - Bullcrap,  spokane   Jan-19-08 01:03 PM   #74 
  - very little MSM coverage  unsavedtrash   Jan-19-08 12:09 PM   #64 
  - Who in the hell is Feingold to judge his sincerity? Edwards is our  B Calm   Jan-19-08 12:25 PM   #67 
  - Because the American people want to be lied too, they want smoke blown up their ass.  newportdadde   Jan-19-08 01:01 PM   #73 
  - I think that people DO like Edward's message, but they're being told he's not viable.  nonconformist   Jan-19-08 01:06 PM   #75 
  - that also seems to be a big part of it  OzarkDem   Jan-19-08 03:12 PM   #83 
  - I think it's reverse discrimination. He's neither a woman nor  Cleita   Jan-19-08 01:12 PM   #76 
  - are you saying shrub is nice looking??  Labors of Hercules   Jan-19-08 01:18 PM   #78 
     - Some people think he is.  Cleita   Jan-19-08 01:31 PM   #80 
  - Its the media...  dajoki   Jan-19-08 01:18 PM   #79 
  - Right now its an "inside" game, too  OzarkDem   Jan-19-08 03:08 PM   #82 
  - people (rightly or wrongly) see it as a two-person race. nt  VotesForWomen   Jan-19-08 03:43 PM   #84 
  - Democrats don't get "second chances"  SoCalDem   Jan-19-08 04:00 PM   #85 
  - Third in a strong field..  bagimin   Jan-19-08 05:49 PM   #86 
  - First off, he was my first choice  TheFarseer   Jan-19-08 11:31 PM   #90 
  - I think Edwards is "doing well" --- it's MSM which isn't ---  defendandprotect   Jan-20-08 09:59 PM   #94 
  - blood stains are hard to wash off  ngant17   Jan-20-08 10:04 PM   #96 
  - He's not good on camera. I wish they'd let me coach him.  Stephanie   Jan-20-08 10:15 PM   #100 
  - Speaking of blinking, I was freaked out today when I saw Dana Bash on CNN blinking  milkyway   Jan-20-08 10:28 PM   #104 
     - It's disturbing, right?  Stephanie   Jan-20-08 10:31 PM   #105 
  - His message is too one-note, as in 2004. He is relentlessly on the same message, to a fault.  milkyway   Jan-20-08 10:24 PM   #102 
 

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