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8. I heard Bugliosi speak right after Selection 2000. He said., stirringly...
..."History will show we should have been in the streets." But all his energy has been spent since then, it seems, on writing a tome about the Kennedy Assassination. And that fact seems *so* reminiscent of what we've all faced since that stolen election. We feel rage and despair, we write letters, we post at DU. But there doesn't seem to be any organizing principle that allows We the People to actually achieve any change. We used to feel we could do it through elections. Many of us no longer feel that way because our elections are so tainted.

For the briefest instant, I engaged in the thought that it would be great to have Bill back in the White House with Hillary, as some kind of revenge for the way our duly-elected President was jerked about by the right-wing machine in this country -- and because he was a much better President than what we've seen with Bush II. When Hillary nailed "the vast right-wing conspiracy," I cheered. But the bitter truth is that since those days, we've seen the underbelly of the Clintons' public personna -- their too-close association with Bush I and corporate entities. The woman who stood by her man against the forces of the right wing has morphed into what too often looks like an ardent supporter of the forces of the right wing.

Obama's passion, though compelling sometimes, is beginning to wear thin. Stirring platitudes are not going to save the day for us, and I can't feel my way to substance with Obama. He is too close to evangelical influence for my taste (as is Hillary, with her ties to the National Prayer Breakfast and The Fellowship). Just the vision of having a black man in the White House (Why, in our language, does White House deserve capitalization when black man does not? I digress.) brings up strong emotions of a 180-degree change for the country. I wish it were so. The black man's ascendecy has to be more than a rush to overcome our national history of racist shame. I fear there is that element at play with some people, just as that issues exists with feminist elements who want *first* a woman, then a national leader -- and the twain may not meet.

I am having a hard time forgiving Edwards for his *strong* participation in leading us into the Iraq occupation. He, at least, has apologized and is ardently speaking out against the corporate forces that have simply taken over our democracy. He has passion *and* legal experience to fight those forces. He is criticized by some for being a lawyer, assuming that carries with it a built-in arrogance and assumption of superiority. If I am not mistaken, Hillary is a lawyer, as is Obama, so that piece of anti-Edwards spin doesn't hold up in the light of day. I am impressed that John and Elizabeth Edwards are giving their energy to the cause of trying to take back the country, in spite of Elizabeth's less-than-stellar health.

I have thought, and posted here, that I will not vote for *any* lesser candidate. That is my frustrated, purist self unburdening itself. When I glance back in time at the leaders we've all been schooled to admire -- none was pure. None can be because, to hypocritically borrow from the religious sentiment that I would like to see left *out* of our political discourse:

All Have Sinned and Fall Short of the Glory of God
~~~ Romans 3:23

Most of all, I'm disturbed over the dynastic turn the country seems to be taking -- as you've pointed out -- and I think we need our next President to be neither a Clinton nor a Bush. Fresh blood, though it be ever so slightly tainted, is what we must have if we are to turn the course of our ship of state.

I'll vote for Edwards, if that choice is freely given to me through the medium of honest elections. Beyond that, the question still remains whether I can make a choice that is, on many levels, a total compromise of everything democracy is said to stand for.

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  -Feuds & derailed democracy H2O Man  Jan-18-08 11:50 AM   #0 
  - The one who holds democratic ideals highest  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jan-18-08 11:55 AM   #1 
  - I agree about Dennis, and it's a sad commentary on our "democratic ideals"...  puebloknot   Jan-18-08 03:00 PM   #10 
     - Yes, and it is sad  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jan-18-08 03:21 PM   #12 
     - Good points.  H2O Man   Jan-19-08 07:45 AM   #18 
  - Well, at least Edwards has the courage to challenge the corporatocracy.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Jan-18-08 12:01 PM   #2 
  - The distinction between "inclusion" and "collusion" can be  bleever   Jan-18-08 12:51 PM   #3 
  - Thank you for putting a big concern into words...  timeforarevolution   Jan-18-08 01:48 PM   #7 
  - When I hear that "everyone a seat at the table" phrase...  puebloknot   Jan-18-08 02:58 PM   #9 
  - I remember two  H2O Man   Jan-19-08 02:48 PM   #26 
  - Building Blocks Of Destroying Democracy  Me.   Jan-18-08 01:17 PM   #4 
  - Also...Begs The Question  Me.   Jan-18-08 01:45 PM   #6 
  - I heard that was disturbing...I had to turn it off...  KoKo01   Jan-18-08 03:07 PM   #11 
  - Right.  H2O Man   Jan-19-08 08:21 AM   #19 
     - This Is A Conversation That Needs To Be Continued  Me.   Jan-19-08 11:39 AM   #23 
        - I think his new book  H2O Man   Jan-19-08 02:22 PM   #24 
           - I was Thinking, Just As I Read It  Me.   Jan-20-08 02:13 PM   #29 
  - We are now certain to have WORSE Presidents than Cheney/Bush ...  TahitiNut   Jan-18-08 01:25 PM   #5 
  - "Man's capacity  H2O Man   Jan-19-08 08:39 AM   #20 
  - I heard Bugliosi speak right after Selection 2000. He said., stirringly...  puebloknot   Jan-18-08 02:54 PM   #8 
  - well said....  KoKo01   Jan-18-08 03:22 PM   #13 
     - Well, eloquence in writing is not required to express our sorrow...  puebloknot   Jan-18-08 04:06 PM   #14 
     - If the Gore people  H2O Man   Jan-19-08 02:53 PM   #27 
  - Evening  Me.   Jan-18-08 06:56 PM   #15 
  - So the distinction between compromising with our adversaries, versus compromising with ourselves,  bleever   Jan-19-08 12:49 AM   #16 
     - Snakes Are Easier To Spot These Days  Me.   Jan-19-08 01:25 AM   #17 
  - Which one?  rosesaylavee   Jan-19-08 09:10 AM   #21 
  - In some ways,  H2O Man   Jan-19-08 02:38 PM   #25 
     - I would say this will be my most informed vote...  rosesaylavee   Jan-19-08 02:56 PM   #28 
  - Find the candidate who has taken the least corporate money and vote for him/her  antigop   Jan-19-08 09:31 AM   #22 

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