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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:35 PM
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8. something doesn't make sense about these numbers
The claim is that the number of corporations controlling a majority of the media has declined. Well, its indisputable that there is more concentration today, but a couple of things don't make sense about the chart/numbers. It talks about newspapers, but apart from News Corp., which owns the NY Post and just bought Dow Jones (WSJ), none of the other companies listed are notable owners of newspapers. The list of newspaper owners in the US is not as long as it was, but its not as if they've disappeared or been swallowed up by the companies listed. AMong the top newspaper companies in the US not listed:

Belo, Cox, Donrey, Gannett, Hearst, Knight Ridder, Media General, NY Times, Tribune, Scripps, Washington Post.

And it mentions magazines. Well, Time Warner is the largest magazine publisher in the US and News Corp. has a pretty big magazine in TV Guide. But in terms of circulation, the top ten magazines are generally unrepresented on that list: AARP's magazine (which is number one), Readers Digest, Better Homes and Garden and Ladies Home JOurnal (owned by Meredith), Nat Geo, Family Circle, Women's Day, and Good Housekeeping.

As for the companies listed, one thing that needs to be considered is that while there is more concentration, a lot of the properties listed didn't exist in the past, making comparisons over time a bit odd. If you go back in time just three decades, you find yourself in an era in which there were only three broadcast networks: ABC, CBS, and NBC.These companies controlled much of what any one could watch and there were only three choices. The networks owned a limited number of stations themselves, but they had affiliates that carried their news and entertainment programming coast to coast. And these were fairly diversified companies. Take CBS: it started out with a few radio stations, became the dominant force in radio in the 30s and 40s, bought a record company, bought television stations, ended up the dominant television network and by the 60s and 70s had its finger in a bunch of pies -- musical instruments (fender guitars), sports franchises (NY Yankees), magazines, home video, film studios, even a toy manufacturer. And while this era seems to be viewed by some as a golden age -- remember that while it was the era in which a network dared to put on the Smothers Brothers despite their open opposition to the vietnam war, it also was the era in which the SMothers Brothers show was pulled off the air and replaced with Hee Haw.

I'm not saying things today are as they should be, but I am saying that simplistic comparisons between the media of the past and today's "corporate" media don't always paint the most accurate picture. Its complicated and only when people recognize that will it be possible to formulate, and hopefully implement, workable reforms.
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  -WHO OWNS THE U.S. CORPORATE MEDIA? Orwellian_Ghost  Jan-17-08 08:59 PM   #0 
  - And that is why it is time to start breaking up these Mega Corporations.  MadMaddie   Jan-17-08 09:03 PM   #1 
  - Oprah owns a big hunk of it, but you left her out nt  msongs   Jan-17-08 09:04 PM   #2 
  - What big chunk of it does Oprah own?  donheld   Jan-18-08 04:49 AM   #21 
  - Oprah will have her own network soon. OWN. Or Oprah Winfrey Network. Blows my mind.  TheGoldenRule   Jan-18-08 09:48 AM   #33 
     - She won't be the first n/t  spokane   Jan-18-08 07:09 PM   #51 
  - Thanks for this...  shoopnyc   Jan-17-08 09:05 PM   #3 
  - Interconnected  Orwellian_Ghost   Jan-17-08 09:07 PM   #4 
  - Big Media Interlocks with Corporate America  Orwellian_Ghost   Jan-17-08 09:09 PM   #5 
  - "We the mainstream people" need to be looking at a president who seeks..  Triana   Jan-17-08 10:03 PM   #9 
  - I was particularly interested in your "talk clock" which shows the corp media's favorite Dem  Sarah Ibarruri   Jan-17-08 09:16 PM   #6 
  - Great timing, I just had a debate with a hard core right winger  liberal N proud   Jan-17-08 09:19 PM   #7 
  - But were Iowa & NH stolen? That's the question. nt  TheGoldenRule   Jan-18-08 09:51 AM   #34 
  - something doesn't make sense about these numbers  onenote   Jan-17-08 09:35 PM   #8 
  - Thanks for pointing this out  Oeditpus Rex   Jan-18-08 01:30 PM   #47 
  - Frightening,isn't it?  Fed_Up_Grammy   Jan-17-08 10:08 PM   #10 
  - "Free Press" my ass. Even with 60 it's still elitist.  JanMichael   Jan-17-08 10:19 PM   #12 
  - no wonder we have no real news anymore  madokie   Jan-17-08 10:19 PM   #13 
  - And instead of passing legislation to curtail this trend, our Congress  southerncrone   Jan-17-08 10:22 PM   #14 
  - like a virus, attaches itself to the host and multiplies  seemslikeadream   Jan-17-08 10:23 PM   #15 
  - Corporate or not, the media will operate as a business in a capitalist economy...  Writer   Jan-17-08 10:25 PM   #16 
  - Yeah, like this:  TheGoldenRule   Jan-18-08 09:54 AM   #35 
  - We don't live in a capitalist economy - we live in a regulated capitalist economy  aint_no_life_nowhere   Jan-18-08 01:06 PM   #46 
  - I love info. I love it even more when sourced --  snot   Jan-17-08 11:53 PM   #17 
  - Media deregulation under Reagan and Bush  aint_no_life_nowhere   Jan-17-08 11:57 PM   #18 
  - Time for a new label for 'corporatist'.....  dmosh42   Jan-18-08 04:19 AM   #19 
  - Don't forget Slick Willie  ProudDad   Jan-18-08 07:57 PM   #53 
  - I think John Edwards will be our own , modern-day 'trust-buster'.  AzDar   Jan-18-08 04:41 AM   #20 
  - Not likely.  Clark2008   Jan-18-08 06:07 AM   #26 
     - Maybe or maybe not. But Hillary or Obama are far more diabolically worse. nt  TheGoldenRule   Jan-18-08 09:56 AM   #36 
  - What Candidate Does the Corporate Media and Hell Most Corporations Support?  leftchick   Jan-18-08 05:02 AM   #22 
  - This post should have a sticky  malaise   Jan-18-08 06:02 AM   #23 
  - an awful lot completely ignore her complicity  leftchick   Jan-18-08 06:04 AM   #24 
     - Yep n/t  malaise   Jan-18-08 06:05 AM   #25 
  - I see you've listed part of the unelected shadow government of the  mmonk   Jan-18-08 06:09 AM   #27 
  - ...NSA, Homeland "Security," Big Brother, Inc. They decide; "elections" don't  Echo In Light   Jan-18-08 06:29 AM   #28 
  - this thread needs many many many kicks. Thank you. n/t  deacon   Jan-18-08 06:37 AM   #29 
  - A second kick for those who missed it yesterday  liberal N proud   Jan-18-08 09:24 AM   #30 
  - Kick n/t  malaise   Jan-18-08 09:41 AM   #31 
  - Bagdikian is a local export  wintersoulja   Jan-18-08 09:44 AM   #32 
  - Kicked and recommended.  Uncle Joe   Jan-18-08 10:03 AM   #37 
  - A pleasure and an obligation  Orwellian_Ghost   Jan-18-08 12:19 PM   #40 
     - The last sentence of Lippman's truly hits home.  Uncle Joe   Jan-18-08 12:42 PM   #43 
  - Ben Bagdikian was a prophet....  LanternWaste   Jan-18-08 10:16 AM   #38 
  - KICK & REC! nt  paparush   Jan-18-08 11:06 AM   #39 
  - What Makes Mainstream Media Mainstream  Orwellian_Ghost   Jan-18-08 12:22 PM   #41 
  - Excellent excellent thread, OG. Thank you!! K&R  Desertrose   Jan-18-08 12:35 PM   #42 
  - seems like murdoch owns more every damn day  spanone   Jan-18-08 12:44 PM   #44 
  - There were some great stats distributed on DU prior to the 2004 election  wiggs   Jan-18-08 12:49 PM   #45 
  - Thanks for posting this OG. Rec'd and bookmarked.  DCKit   Jan-18-08 02:03 PM   #48 
  - using distorted and misleading data to make the point about concentration doesnt' help  onenote   Jan-18-08 02:05 PM   #49 
  - Who owns the corporate media?  tbyg52   Jan-18-08 06:13 PM   #50 
  - Mom said, big business founded the country and it will always continue to run it...  Imagevision   Jan-18-08 07:12 PM   #52 
     - Mom was right  Orwellian_Ghost   Jan-19-08 10:03 PM   #54 

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