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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 08:50 AM
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113. I may get burnt to a crisp for this but:
Both dogs and cats can eat people food with a few important exceptions and qualifications:

First: Cats need Taurine or they will go blind or die of heart disease. The highest concentration of taurine is in uncooked meat: clams and octopus, followed by shrimp and fish. Beef, pork and lamb chicken leg and last, chicken breast. Reading suggests mousies have the highest taurine content. Go figure. But cooked meat loses half its taurine and definitely needs supplementation. Amounts vary , but 50 to 100mg per cat, per day, added after any food is cooked.

Their protein to carb ratio is different from ours. Dogs need ten amino acids from protein, while humans only require eight from ours. So more protein and fewer carbs and definitely fewer grains.

Wild game has a high protein to fat ratio. Good for people and critters. And bonus, the more protein, wild or domestic they eat, the less food they require. They are like high-octane cars. Higher-grade fuel makes them more fuel efficient, not less. You can feed them a smaller volume of food with a higher protein content.

Add some fish oil for Essential Fatty Acids. For hyper-specific recipes go here: and and

But in general: 50 to 70% should be leanish meat/protein. No bones please, unless they are big raw marrow bones for doggies. The remainder should be cooked veggies (like carrots, peas, green-beans spinach, beans, cabbage, kale, collards, sweet potatoes, etc), some cooked carbs (like potatoes or rice or oatmeal) and some fat.

Miniscule amounts of salt (not table, sea salt or scrapings from a salt lick will provide minerals) and some people think adding a crushed adult vitamin to the dog food is helpful. Opinions vary.

ABSOLUTELY NO PRE-PROCESSED HUMAN FOOD! Its not even good for people.

As with people, various animals like various things. And have aversions or allergies to others. Too much of anything is asking for problems now or down the road, so moderation and variety are good. Some vets say no garlic or grapes. Some say small amounts are okay. Do avoid onions, chocolate, coffee and any sweeteners. Some dogs are lactose intolerant, but a bit of yogurt with acidophilus is okay. Above all, common sense is a must here!

I cook for my 15-year-old cat, as he has developed allergies. I make it in bulk, refrigerate a weeks worth and freeze the rest in small plastic Tofutti cream containers. And, often, while the very delicious aroma wafts around the house, the Spousal Unit will ask me if Im sure thats for the cat. In a pinch it would make a good meatloaf. I always knew wed end up eating cat food when we got old.

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  -I'm making our grocery list, trimming an already trimmed catmandu57  Jan-14-08 09:37 AM   #0 
  - There's just the two of us and I spend over $100/week  livetohike   Jan-14-08 09:43 AM   #1 
  - There is just one of me and 2 dogs  RebelOne   Jan-14-08 09:45 AM   #2 
  - Me too - vegetarian......also my husband  livetohike   Jan-14-08 09:51 AM   #8 
     - Our cats are driving us to the poor farm  catmandu57   Jan-14-08 10:16 AM   #14 
        - You're cats are all cuties, too  livetohike   Jan-14-08 10:21 AM   #16 
        - I may get burnt to a crisp for this but:  TalkingDog   Jan-15-08 08:50 AM   #113 
           - What an excellent and informative post.  DCKit   Jan-15-08 12:24 PM   #120 
           - "People food" for pets is a 1000 times safer for them when prepared correctly  Lorien   Jan-15-08 05:09 PM   #129 
  - Tell me about it.  zanne   Jan-14-08 09:47 AM   #5 
  - We are really feeling the squeeze here in Michigan.  shaniqua6392   Jan-14-08 09:47 AM   #3 
  - My heart goes out to you  catmandu57   Jan-14-08 09:50 AM   #7 
  - Same here. I found good prices at Big Lots and the bakery outlet.  knitter4democracy   Jan-14-08 02:28 PM   #57 
  - With five in our family  Emit   Jan-14-08 09:47 AM   #4 
  - My grocery bill is staggering.  Midlodemocrat   Jan-14-08 03:13 PM   #69 
     - It would be nice to go to the grocery store and not have to decide  Emit   Jan-14-08 06:13 PM   #94 
        - Kind of off topic, but shopping with children can be rough  catmandu57   Jan-15-08 09:59 AM   #116 
  - In 2000, husband and I started up our garden again. We had pared  tsuki   Jan-14-08 09:49 AM   #6 
  - My MIL does  catmandu57   Jan-14-08 09:55 AM   #9 
     - Another thing I did was look at non food items. I had no idea that  tsuki   Jan-14-08 10:07 AM   #12 
     - "dryer balls?" Enlighten me.  raccoon   Jan-14-08 10:47 AM   #26 
        - I tried to explain it and sounded like a complete idiot. So, I found  tsuki   Jan-14-08 12:54 PM   #41 
        - Those really work!  knitter4democracy   Jan-14-08 02:30 PM   #59 
        - The chemicals worry me..  clovis29   Jan-14-08 05:51 PM   #89 
     - We're putting in more beds this year, too.  knitter4democracy   Jan-14-08 02:29 PM   #58 
     - Try Square Foot Gardening  missb   Jan-14-08 02:36 PM   #61 
  - Every week my dh asks where the money has gone...  TheGoldenRule   Jan-14-08 09:59 AM   #10 
  - It's getting harder to find good coupons  catmandu57   Jan-14-08 10:13 AM   #13 
     - Here check this site out...  TheGoldenRule   Jan-14-08 10:28 AM   #18 
        - Than you I will  catmandu57   Jan-14-08 10:42 AM   #23 
        - Even though you have to pay for the coupons and sometimes have to order a few at a time,  TheGoldenRule   Jan-14-08 01:58 PM   #51 
        - Thanks for the link - I'll check it out. I always use coupons when I can. nt  Vinca   Jan-14-08 11:22 AM   #33 
        - Glad to help...have fun!  TheGoldenRule   Jan-14-08 01:59 PM   #52 
           - I already placed an order. Here's another site with some free coupons -  Vinca   Jan-14-08 04:26 PM   #79 
        - i remember a couple stores around me wouldn't take coupons i printed  orleans   Jan-14-08 04:53 PM   #82 
  - Any candidate who does not understand this post should not be elected.  rug   Jan-14-08 10:03 AM   #11 
  - grocery shopping  Allyoop   Jan-14-08 10:18 AM   #15 
  - TESTIFY Sistah.  Tyler Durden   Jan-14-08 10:21 AM   #17 
  - oh yeah there is a big difference in the price of grocery's here in the big OK  madokie   Jan-14-08 10:31 AM   #19 
  - Mushrooms before long  catmandu57   Jan-14-08 10:43 AM   #25 
     - I will make a note to let you know when we start finding them  madokie   Jan-14-08 11:34 AM   #34 
        - You're making me hungry  catmandu57   Jan-14-08 11:58 AM   #36 
           - I have on very few occassions find morels this year where I found them last year or the year before  madokie   Jan-14-08 01:06 PM   #42 
              - One of our local mail-order nurseries sells mushroom plugs.  missb   Jan-14-08 02:48 PM   #65 
  - Yes, it really is getting ridiculous, isn't it??  Ghost in the Machine   Jan-14-08 10:31 AM   #20 
  - How long have you been waiting  catmandu57   Jan-14-08 10:40 AM   #22 
  - It's only been about 4 months for me....  Ghost in the Machine   Jan-14-08 10:57 AM   #30 
     - They deny everyone the first time  catmandu57   Jan-14-08 11:07 AM   #32 
     - go get a lawyer  cap   Jan-14-08 12:08 PM   #37 
        - I've talked to 3 lawyers already...  Ghost in the Machine   Jan-14-08 01:15 PM   #44 
           - start asking friends and family to see if they know someone  cap   Jan-15-08 06:36 AM   #109 
  - Mom used to mix whole milk with reconstituted powdered milk, half of each...  Hekate   Jan-14-08 04:54 PM   #83 
     - Yes, it's ridiculous to be paying those kinds of prices for milk..  Ghost in the Machine   Jan-14-08 05:45 PM   #88 
     - Oh man I remember powdered milk when growing up  BluePatriot   Jan-15-08 01:26 PM   #123 
  - We used to eat out at least twice a month  catmandu57   Jan-14-08 10:34 AM   #21 
  - Check out Angel Food Ministries  WolverineDG   Jan-14-08 10:42 AM   #24 
  - what an amazing program! i never heard of such a thing. i think it's fantastic.  orleans   Jan-14-08 05:12 PM   #86 
     - I had heard about it in my town  WolverineDG   Jan-14-08 06:57 PM   #98 
        - their website said for those in need when i went scooting around on it  orleans   Jan-14-08 08:06 PM   #99 
           - No one asked me any questions  WolverineDG   Jan-14-08 08:18 PM   #100 
           - Look under their FAQ link:  94114_San_Francisco   Jan-14-08 08:19 PM   #101 
  - The dog's food is pretty cheap around here  2beToby   Jan-14-08 10:48 AM   #27 
  - OH-  Sugar Smack   Jan-14-08 10:51 AM   #28 
  - Find one near your home and go there.  Snarkturian Clone   Jan-14-08 10:52 AM   #29 
  - After more than 10 years in the area I finally went to a different grocery store  renate   Jan-14-08 11:37 AM   #35 
  - Be VERY careful about Save-a-lot.  Le Taz Hot   Jan-14-08 01:28 PM   #48 
     - I know... some of their stuff is total garbage but I have to say  Snarkturian Clone   Jan-14-08 01:52 PM   #49 
  - Learn to make your own Katsup :)  Javaman   Jan-14-08 11:05 AM   #31 
  - there's plenty of free ketchup to be had in the world...  QuestionAll   Jan-14-08 01:20 PM   #47 
  - I guess, but that stuff is filled with all sorts of crap. I can't eat it. nt  Javaman   Jan-14-08 02:26 PM   #56 
     - i'll have to give a go at making some...  QuestionAll   Jan-14-08 04:41 PM   #81 
  - Vintage Receipes Helpful  momster   Jan-15-08 09:39 AM   #115 
  - I recently experienced another large jump in grocery prices.  uppityperson   Jan-14-08 12:10 PM   #38 
  - I am freezing everything I possibly can...  Contrary1   Jan-14-08 12:32 PM   #39 
  - Same here  BluePatriot   Jan-14-08 12:47 PM   #40 
  - No flames here  catmandu57   Jan-14-08 01:15 PM   #43 
  - Agreed.  BluePatriot   Jan-15-08 01:02 PM   #122 
  - Just FYI  Le Taz Hot   Jan-15-08 07:13 AM   #111 
     - Sounds like a plan  BluePatriot   Jan-15-08 12:54 PM   #121 
        - I bought mostly organic seed  Le Taz Hot   Jan-15-08 03:53 PM   #124 
  - too bad none of the leading candidates offers any hope of fixing the problem  leftofthedial   Jan-14-08 01:16 PM   #45 
  - i don't make a list- i let the sale items dictate what i buy.  QuestionAll   Jan-14-08 01:17 PM   #46 
  - We've got a drawer full of condiments  catmandu57   Jan-14-08 01:56 PM   #50 
  - Ketchup is easy to make, but I have not ever matched a brand name flavor.  RadiationTherapy   Jan-14-08 02:00 PM   #53 
  - I've posted this recipe several times in the past  Le Taz Hot   Jan-14-08 02:07 PM   #54 
  - I do it the old fashioned way  catmandu57   Jan-14-08 02:25 PM   #55 
  - I'll do it the old fashioned way  Le Taz Hot   Jan-14-08 02:30 PM   #60 
  - Have you tried the No-Knead bread?  missb   Jan-14-08 02:39 PM   #62 
  - I was going to make it at Xmas but it takes over 18 hrs  SheWhoMustBeObeyed   Jan-14-08 03:32 PM   #73 
     - Thank you for the link!  missb   Jan-14-08 05:03 PM   #84 
  - Look for breadmakers at the thrift store  spinbaby   Jan-14-08 06:03 PM   #91 
  - Did you know that you can make your own instant oatmeal packets?  missb   Jan-14-08 02:42 PM   #63 
  - VERY cool recipes!  Le Taz Hot   Jan-14-08 02:49 PM   #66 
  - My husband likes only the Maple/Brown Sugar flavor...  Contrary1   Jan-14-08 03:04 PM   #67 
  - Maple syrup. Add a drop or two when making the oatmeal.  missb   Jan-14-08 03:07 PM   #68 
     - Brown sugar works well with oat meal  Thothmes   Jan-14-08 08:40 PM   #105 
  - Hey thanks a lot for that  catmandu57   Jan-14-08 03:21 PM   #72 
  - To the greatest page. I thought of you today while putting ketchup on french fries at lunch  mnhtnbb   Jan-14-08 02:46 PM   #64 
  - Well thank you  catmandu57   Jan-14-08 03:15 PM   #70 
  - My grocery bill has doubled in just the last few months  nonconformist   Jan-14-08 03:17 PM   #71 
  - Get a handful of ketchup packets at McDon*lds  Kurovski   Jan-14-08 03:32 PM   #74 
  - My kids think I'm nuts and I remind myself of my grandmother  Emit   Jan-14-08 06:16 PM   #96 
     - It seems to be coming full circle.  Kurovski   Jan-14-08 10:55 PM   #108 
  - Check out this webpage of mine on soup recipes...  Ghost in the Machine   Jan-14-08 03:39 PM   #75 
  - No vegan here  catmandu57   Jan-14-08 04:04 PM   #76 
     - Ooops... I mistook one of the first couple of replies as one of yours...  Ghost in the Machine   Jan-14-08 05:36 PM   #87 
  - Skip the bottle of Ketchup..  RoadRage   Jan-14-08 04:12 PM   #77 
  - Isn't that kind of theft?  clovis29   Jan-14-08 06:03 PM   #92 
     - It's probably both.. in addition to the comment being a joke. Sheesh.  RoadRage   Jan-14-08 08:44 PM   #106 
  - LOL re ketchup  malaise   Jan-14-08 04:22 PM   #78 
  - Really it's not about the ketchup  catmandu57   Jan-14-08 04:32 PM   #80 
  - I know about that  kineneb   Jan-14-08 05:05 PM   #85 
  - LOL...apparently a lot of DU'ers feel very stongly about ketchup!  AZBlue   Jan-14-08 08:23 PM   #103 
  - Food prices have soared in CA,  Kajsa   Jan-14-08 05:55 PM   #90 
  - I don't buy groceries anymore. Just food for the cats & dogs  Rex   Jan-14-08 06:04 PM   #93 
  - If you live near one, Aldi is a good way to trim the food bill  Telly Savalas   Jan-14-08 06:16 PM   #95 
  - Aldi quality is surprisingly good  SheWhoMustBeObeyed   Jan-15-08 06:54 AM   #110 
  - the G bill goes up 7-15 bucks a week it seems.  ileus   Jan-14-08 06:30 PM   #97 
  - Anyone here ever play "The Grocery Game"  LibraLiz1973   Jan-14-08 08:21 PM   #102 
  - No. Mostly, because  missb   Jan-14-08 08:32 PM   #104 
  - And notice how coupons are shit lately unless they're Costco's?  lonestarnot   Jan-14-08 08:44 PM   #107 
  - If you're a fan of flavored coffees,  Le Taz Hot   Jan-15-08 07:18 AM   #112 
  - How can people keep up with this?  elizfeelinggreat   Jan-15-08 09:01 AM   #114 
  - I know it seems silly  Spacemom   Jan-15-08 10:20 AM   #117 
  - I know about empty cabinets  catmandu57   Jan-15-08 11:11 AM   #119 
  - Even as a single guy with a reasonably good income  TommyO   Jan-15-08 10:40 AM   #118 
  - I don't know how we're going to make it through this winter.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Jan-15-08 03:57 PM   #125 
  - 'Champagne Cooking on a Beer Budget!': (Good Site Alert)  kalibex   Jan-15-08 04:39 PM   #126 
  - word. if you have one dime left at the end of the month, prices aren't high enough. i'm convinced  VotesForWomen   Jan-15-08 04:59 PM   #127 
  - I go to Costco and buy a four pack of ground turkey each week  qanda   Jan-15-08 05:06 PM   #128 

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