| 119. 14 is old enough. It happened the way it happened. |
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Pretending it wasn't as bad as it was enables tyrants, oppressors, and predators of all types.
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| -Today my 14 y/o daughter came home crying hysterically |
sjdnb |
Jan-11-08 08:44 PM |
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I agree with you |
datadiva |
Jan-11-08 08:47 PM |
#1 |
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Harsh presentation about a harsh reality |
rockymountaindem |
Jan-11-08 08:47 PM |
#2 |
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Or Iraq. |
karlrschneider |
Jan-11-08 08:48 PM |
#5 |
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Correct me if I'm wrong. |
Reciprocity |
Jan-11-08 08:57 PM |
#15 |
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Let me restate ... my 14 y/o daughter who has yet to vote .... |
sjdnb |
Jan-11-08 11:55 PM |
#79 |
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Don't let it squelch any hope she has for the future |
Sydnie |
Jan-12-08 12:58 AM |
#91 |
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When it is 'mom' vs teacher ... mom rarely comes out |
sjdnb |
Jan-12-08 01:28 AM |
#98 |
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You'd know best... |
Orsino |
Jan-12-08 10:46 AM |
#125 |
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Reality is always age appropriate during and after adolescence |
bean fidhleir |
Jan-13-08 04:04 PM |
#162 |
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I would think if she's in an honors class that she'd be mature enough to handle that, but |
karlrschneider |
Jan-11-08 08:47 PM |
#3 |
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She could not understand how people could be so evil/cruel |
sjdnb |
Jan-11-08 08:50 PM |
#7 |
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Imagine the pain the people who perished |
emilyg |
Jan-11-08 08:55 PM |
#13 |
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Her pain in no way lessened their's. |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Jan-11-08 10:21 PM |
#44 |
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A little sensitivity to the OP and her daughter is in order |
KitchenWitch |
Jan-11-08 10:38 PM |
#54 |
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You must not be a parent |
treestar |
Jan-12-08 10:35 AM |
#124 |
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I am a parent. |
emilyg |
Jan-12-08 01:57 PM |
#148 |
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Then why did you post such a mean thing? |
treestar |
Jan-13-08 02:18 PM |
#153 |
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Probably not a good idea to let her watch the evening news, then. |
karlrschneider |
Jan-11-08 09:00 PM |
#18 |
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Always a comforting word... |
BushDespiser12 |
Jan-11-08 11:24 PM |
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Jan-12-08 09:42 AM |
#116 |
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The realization that people CAN be so cruel was the hardest awakening |
BushDespiser12 |
Jan-11-08 11:23 PM |
#67 |
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That's how she'll come through it. You were there almost immediately... |
Orsino |
Jan-12-08 10:50 AM |
#126 |
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I wrote my Senior Thesis in college about the Nazi's implementation |
coalition_unwilling |
Jan-12-08 02:15 PM |
#150 |
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I had this same experience at 8 years old |
goodgd_yall |
Jan-13-08 02:41 PM |
#158 |
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Hi Darlschneider, just some experience that I have with my own |
midnight |
Jan-11-08 10:18 PM |
#42 |
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Intelligence and emotional maturity are two different things. |
Breeze54 |
Jan-11-08 10:23 PM |
#45 |
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Getting into Honors/AP classes has nothing to do with maturity. |
Common Sense Party |
Jan-12-08 01:12 AM |
#94 |
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I think they should have informed the parents if it was going to be graphic... |
cynatnite |
Jan-11-08 08:47 PM |
#4 |
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In my daughter's school, parents have to give written |
LibDemAlways |
Jan-11-08 11:42 PM |
#76 |
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Middle school teacher here, and I agree. |
femmocrat |
Jan-11-08 08:49 PM |
#6 |
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Better not to teach it until they're adults, than to teach it in a whitewashed and silly fashion.... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Jan-11-08 08:51 PM |
#8 |
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Thank you. |
emilyg |
Jan-11-08 08:56 PM |
#14 |
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We got educated on it when I was in high school... |
cynatnite |
Jan-11-08 09:01 PM |
#20 |
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great, how about the millions who drop out of high school? |
2rth2pwr |
Jan-11-08 10:41 PM |
#57 |
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True. We can thank the Repukes for turning this country into a sewer that way. nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Jan-12-08 09:45 AM |
#118 |
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I have to disagree |
DavidMS |
Jan-13-08 07:46 PM |
#167 |
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Sounds like child abuse to me. |
MiltonF |
Jan-11-08 08:51 PM |
#9 |
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Well, TV stations subject kids to some pretty horrific things.... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Jan-11-08 08:53 PM |
#11 |
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I don't allow toy guns, video game guns, or any other |
sjdnb |
Jan-11-08 11:28 PM |
#72 |
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I wish everyone were like you. :( Unfortunately, most people are brainwashed and seduced.... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Jan-12-08 09:44 AM |
#117 |
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There were children who lived these horrors |
dflprincess |
Jan-11-08 09:07 PM |
#29 |
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Which means we are a nation of child abusers |
bean fidhleir |
Jan-13-08 04:09 PM |
#163 |
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1,000,000 Iraqis are dead because of our insensitivity to the value of human life. |
patrice |
Jan-11-08 08:51 PM |
#10 |
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Would you subject a child to the images of 1,000,000 dead Iraqis? |
MiltonF |
Jan-11-08 08:55 PM |
#12 |
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I'm not interested in arguing with you. 14 is old enough. nt |
patrice |
Jan-11-08 09:00 PM |
#19 |
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I think it depends on the child |
Mojorabbit |
Jan-11-08 09:07 PM |
#28 |
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That's how old Anne Frank was when she died. n/t |
Withywindle |
Jan-11-08 10:35 PM |
#51 |
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I disagree. In fact if enough of them saw it as kids maybe when they grow up to be adults they'll be |
truebrit71 |
Jan-12-08 11:24 AM |
#131 |
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I have a 14 year old daughter, also honors. |
Xithras |
Jan-11-08 08:59 PM |
#16 |
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My daughter was raised to care ... doing vol work since she |
sjdnb |
Jan-11-08 10:53 PM |
#60 |
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She's a sensitive kid, a compassionate and empathetic kid |
Warpy |
Jan-11-08 08:59 PM |
#17 |
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Good reply, thank you for posting what I was going to write. |
uppityperson |
Jan-11-08 09:01 PM |
#22 |
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When he was 14, my grandfather in US by himself |
LeftyMom |
Jan-11-08 09:01 PM |
#21 |
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14 years old should be mature enough |
Zorro |
Jan-11-08 09:02 PM |
#23 |
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Maybe I've just raised them to be too sensitive |
sjdnb |
Jan-11-08 11:21 PM |
#65 |
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I'm sure you will get plenty |
BlackVelvet04 |
Jan-11-08 09:02 PM |
#24 |
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I agree. That's a bit much. Hell, when I was in High School, I cried for days after seeing the |
in_cog_ni_to |
Jan-11-08 09:05 PM |
#25 |
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But that's probably one of the main reasons you're a good progressive Democrat! |
karlrschneider |
Jan-11-08 09:13 PM |
#31 |
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It's difficult to even imagine |
Nite Owl |
Jan-11-08 09:05 PM |
#26 |
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It's not a bad thing she cried. |
rucky |
Jan-11-08 09:06 PM |
#27 |
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My mother was seven when Hitler marched into Austria |
hobbit709 |
Jan-11-08 09:08 PM |
#30 |
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When does the teaching of historical fact devolve into snuff porn? I don't know. |
scarletwoman |
Jan-11-08 09:13 PM |
#32 |
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I think that unless you see things like films and photos |
rockymountaindem |
Jan-11-08 09:23 PM |
#34 |
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That's absurd. I'm 58 years old. I read books. I never needed visuals to know that the Holocaust |
scarletwoman |
Jan-11-08 09:42 PM |
#36 |
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Intellectuallizing is a way to keep one's distance and avoid engagement |
bean fidhleir |
Jan-13-08 04:14 PM |
#164 |
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I wasn't allowed to see "Roots" as a child |
proud patriot |
Jan-11-08 09:21 PM |
#33 |
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"Amistad" was cleaned up, actually. |
Perragrande |
Jan-11-08 11:33 PM |
#73 |
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Diary of Anne Frank is usually taught in |
phillysuse |
Jan-11-08 09:23 PM |
#35 |
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Four days of very graphic material in 8th grade English class? |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Jan-11-08 10:29 PM |
#47 |
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"The Diary of Anne Frank" was heavily censored . . . wasn't it? |
defendandprotect |
Jan-11-08 11:45 PM |
#78 |
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What do parents of 14 year olds do in Baghdad? |
rug |
Jan-11-08 09:48 PM |
#37 |
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What's happening in Iraq is wrong and none of those children |
Breeze54 |
Jan-11-08 10:29 PM |
#48 |
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Not mine -- opted out. They plan on joining the Peace Corp. |
sjdnb |
Jan-11-08 11:23 PM |
#66 |
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They may see some pretty difficult things in the Peace Corps, too. |
mycritters2 |
Jan-13-08 02:47 PM |
#161 |
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it's rough but it's real but she knows, her crying imo is a natural reaction to |
chimpsrsmarter |
Jan-11-08 09:50 PM |
#38 |
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My boys used to get teary during these things |
OzarkDem |
Jan-11-08 09:57 PM |
#39 |
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She's growing up and I'm not sure if it's advisable to protect her from these realities at her age. |
Hoof Hearted |
Jan-11-08 10:11 PM |
#40 |
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Reading a book about it would have been better than a graphic film. |
Breeze54 |
Jan-11-08 10:32 PM |
#50 |
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In the case of the inexperienced, I respectfully disagree. |
Hoof Hearted |
Jan-12-08 12:44 AM |
#87 |
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Is the focus only on hitting them over the head human tragedy and violence? Books lay the pathway... |
Breeze54 |
Jan-12-08 01:13 AM |
#95 |
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A fourteen year old child is but three years and some change from being expected to die |
Hoof Hearted |
Jan-12-08 02:30 AM |
#100 |
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You're eyes are turning brown |
Breeze54 |
Jan-12-08 04:47 AM |
#105 |
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the maturity and strength of your response speaks for itself n/t |
Hoof Hearted |
Jan-12-08 04:52 AM |
#106 |
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Jan-12-08 05:25 AM |
#109 |
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seems that a combination of the two might have been the best approach |
hiphopnation23 |
Jan-12-08 11:05 AM |
#129 |
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14 is not emotionally pre-teenage. |
WritingIsMyReligion |
Jan-12-08 11:42 AM |
#134 |
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good suggestion |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Jan-11-08 10:37 PM |
#52 |
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I can remember being 14 and spending the night with a friend. |
TNDemo |
Jan-11-08 10:14 PM |
#41 |
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perhaps you should home school...then when they become shia muslim no facts will stand in their way! |
Didereaux |
Jan-11-08 10:20 PM |
#43 |
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Perhaps you could empathize instead of spewing meaningless drivel...? |
BushDespiser12 |
Jan-11-08 11:42 PM |
#75 |
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I'd call the teacher. Maybe the teacher isn't 'tuned in' |
Breeze54 |
Jan-11-08 10:27 PM |
#46 |
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14 is when the critical thinking begins. |
BullGooseLoony |
Jan-11-08 10:30 PM |
#49 |
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Saw it in school at about the same age. Didn't cry, but never forgot. |
robbedvoter |
Jan-11-08 10:37 PM |
#53 |
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At 10 years old I read everything I could about the Holocaust |
lamprey |
Jan-11-08 10:39 PM |
#55 |
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what about other kids and her while at school? |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Jan-11-08 10:40 PM |
#56 |
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Well, I'm not a parent, but here's my perspective. |
Withywindle |
Jan-11-08 10:42 PM |
#58 |
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Trust me, I'm not naive when it comes to what children CAN take in childhood ... |
sjdnb |
Jan-11-08 11:02 PM |
#63 |
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Really? Then why the OP question? Clearly you don't know what decision to make. |
Breeze54 |
Jan-12-08 04:57 AM |
#107 |
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Oh, that's an excellent poitn. |
Withywindle |
Jan-12-08 12:08 PM |
#138 |
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I have trouble with it - and I'm 54! - nope - now 55! as of New Year's Eve... |
TankLV |
Jan-11-08 10:48 PM |
#59 |
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Kids from survivors got this and then some younger than that |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-11-08 10:57 PM |
#61 |
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Then it's time for her to read Viktor Frankl "Man's Search For Meaning" |
TahitiNut |
Jan-11-08 11:01 PM |
#62 |
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Of course I don't know your daughter but |
jmm |
Jan-11-08 11:10 PM |
#64 |
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At 41 she'll probably react the same way ... |
sjdnb |
Jan-12-08 12:17 AM |
#81 |
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She'd be 41 and 27 more years of atrocities would have happened |
bean fidhleir |
Jan-13-08 04:26 PM |
#165 |
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War is hell is more than true but to those not exposed to it it's afairytale. Education is im0portan |
cooolandrew |
Jan-11-08 11:26 PM |
#69 |
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War is hell is more than true but to those not exposed to it it's afairytale. Education is important |
cooolandrew |
Jan-11-08 11:26 PM |
#70 |
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I agree that this seems like a lot for 14-year-olds to digest in just a few days. |
emmadoggy |
Jan-11-08 11:28 PM |
#71 |
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My 13 year old daughter has handled a very similar |
alittlelark |
Jan-11-08 11:40 PM |
#74 |
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I agree --- |
defendandprotect |
Jan-11-08 11:43 PM |
#77 |
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You write like my daughter thinks ... now |
sjdnb |
Jan-12-08 12:06 AM |
#80 |
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You're citing one of the most important ways of thinking --- |
defendandprotect |
Jan-12-08 12:25 AM |
#82 |
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Then YOU sit down and teach her that! |
piesRsquare |
Jan-12-08 04:58 AM |
#108 |
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Your not over protective thats nuts |
marlakay |
Jan-12-08 12:25 AM |
#83 |
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There were a lot of 14 year olds at Auschwitz who couldn't look away |
Prisoner_Number_Six |
Jan-12-08 12:34 AM |
#84 |
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I believe what you say is true, to some extent ... |
sjdnb |
Jan-12-08 12:59 AM |
#92 |
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I have a family friend who was seven when he was brought to that |
Lorien |
Jan-12-08 12:14 PM |
#140 |
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I had to leave the room when I was in college because I couldn't watch |
clyrc |
Jan-12-08 12:38 AM |
#85 |
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I haven't read the other responses, so I don't know |
MonkeyFunk |
Jan-12-08 12:41 AM |
#86 |
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At that age, Idon't think they need graphic images or details. |
Desertrose |
Jan-12-08 12:47 AM |
#88 |
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They recruit kids before they hit college. /nt |
readmoreoften |
Jan-12-08 12:56 AM |
#90 |
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14 is too young? Are you crazy? They start recruiting at 17. |
readmoreoften |
Jan-12-08 12:54 AM |
#89 |
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Could you please explain your comments a little more? |
cynatnite |
Jan-12-08 01:19 AM |
#96 |
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give her a hug from me |
Swamp Rat |
Jan-12-08 01:07 AM |
#93 |
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My parents took me to Dachau |
hobbit709 |
Jan-12-08 08:26 AM |
#111 |
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You should follow your instincts. A mothers instincts are always right! |
Breeze54 |
Jan-12-08 01:24 AM |
#97 |
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Untrue. n/t |
kgfnally |
Jan-12-08 12:03 PM |
#137 |
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Youngsters, the next generation, need to know the truth about the world they live in. |
ConsAreLiars |
Jan-12-08 02:07 AM |
#99 |
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You've "discussed these events and other genocides" with your children |
Laurier |
Jan-12-08 02:49 AM |
#101 |
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I think it's rather the length and intensity of the class discussion |
Common Sense Party |
Jan-12-08 03:36 AM |
#102 |
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It was the bombardment of graphic/audio images |
sjdnb |
Jan-12-08 11:03 PM |
#152 |
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I grew up in germany. We were fed that stuff from day one. |
Smith_3 |
Jan-12-08 04:13 AM |
#103 |
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actually, at 14, i think it's one of the better times to do it. |
NuttyFluffers |
Jan-12-08 04:19 AM |
#104 |
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It was probably too much too fast... |
and-justice-for-all |
Jan-12-08 05:29 AM |
#110 |
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We try to incrementally impart the idea of evil in the world to our daughter |
Echo In Light |
Jan-12-08 08:33 AM |
#112 |
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to be honest,I have shown these images to my children. |
w8liftinglady |
Jan-12-08 08:35 AM |
#113 |
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Absolutely Should Not Be Showing This |
NeedleCast |
Jan-12-08 08:41 AM |
#114 |
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Yes! It is time to start facing reality when you are in your teens. |
Jesuswasntafascist |
Jan-12-08 08:42 AM |
#115 |
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14 is old enough. It happened the way it happened. |
Edweird |
Jan-12-08 09:55 AM |
#119 |
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You say you don't want your daughter to lose hope, |
Ms. Toad |
Jan-12-08 10:05 AM |
#120 |
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That assignment is usually reserved for high school. |
knitter4democracy |
Jan-12-08 10:07 AM |
#121 |
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Yes, my older kids covered this when they were about sixteen or seventeen |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Jan-12-08 10:18 AM |
#122 |
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As a former high school English teacher, I know I'd be mad if she stole my assignment. |
knitter4democracy |
Jan-12-08 02:08 PM |
#149 |
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Oh, I agree |
treestar |
Jan-12-08 10:33 AM |
#123 |
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without reading the whole thread... |
hiphopnation23 |
Jan-12-08 11:01 AM |
#127 |
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when i asked myself if 8 year old should see the ugliest of iraqi war |
seabeyond |
Jan-12-08 01:48 PM |
#147 |
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FWIW, my father introduced me to the Holocaust when I was in 8th grade. He took me to the library, |
Beausoir |
Jan-12-08 11:02 AM |
#128 |
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I'd have to disagree with you. When I was about that same age I witnessed a presentation about... |
truebrit71 |
Jan-12-08 11:18 AM |
#130 |
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I grew up seeing these sights on the movie screen |
watercolors |
Jan-12-08 11:26 AM |
#132 |
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I would think an honors class should be able to handle that. |
WritingIsMyReligion |
Jan-12-08 11:38 AM |
#133 |
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Sounds like genocide overload |
48percenter |
Jan-12-08 11:51 AM |
#135 |
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I'm sorry. I can totally empathize. |
Midlodemocrat |
Jan-12-08 12:02 PM |
#136 |
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An english class doesn't require this level of graphic violence |
jazzjunkysue |
Jan-12-08 12:11 PM |
#139 |
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You hit the nail on the head! |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Jan-12-08 12:52 PM |
#143 |
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I agree. It's too much for fourteen year olds to handle. |
Cleita |
Jan-12-08 12:16 PM |
#141 |
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Here's a link with suggestions for teaching about the Holocaust. note #11 |
OurVotesCount-Ohio |
Jan-12-08 12:39 PM |
#142 |
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That's the whole argument in a nutshell. |
mcscajun |
Jan-13-08 02:40 PM |
#157 |
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Let me get this straight..... |
JerseyGirlDem |
Jan-12-08 12:55 PM |
#144 |
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My 13 y.o. son asked me about Hitler last summer. |
Mythsaje |
Jan-12-08 01:02 PM |
#145 |
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hugs to your daughter, she will be fine. i like it. i like they did this. i like it is so |
seabeyond |
Jan-12-08 01:12 PM |
#146 |
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Thank you for raising a decent human being. |
redwitch |
Jan-12-08 02:18 PM |
#151 |
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Nobody knows your daughter like you do. I wouldn't ask advice from people who can only guess |
LittleClarkie |
Jan-13-08 02:25 PM |
#154 |
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I think you're right |
goodgd_yall |
Jan-13-08 02:35 PM |
#155 |
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Honors English or not, I think that's too much for a 14 y/o to handle. |
mcscajun |
Jan-13-08 02:38 PM |
#156 |
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They should be using Iraq as an example instead. |
IamyourTVandIownyou |
Jan-13-08 02:43 PM |
#159 |
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They should be using Iraq as an example instead. |
IamyourTVandIownyou |
Jan-13-08 02:43 PM |
#160 |
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I understand your angst at seeing your daughter in pain but |
arthritisR_US |
Jan-13-08 04:28 PM |
#166 |
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