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27. It's not a bad thing she cried.
I can sorta see the teacher's thinking on this, and probably had the boys more in mind - the ones hooked on the PlayStation and are pretty desensitized to violent stuff. Hope this wakes some of them up.

I remember reading "Night" at the same age and it really impacted me. But to get any point across with the MTV kids, you need the visuals.
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  -Today my 14 y/o daughter came home crying hysterically sjdnb  Jan-11-08 08:44 PM   #0 
  - I agree with you  datadiva   Jan-11-08 08:47 PM   #1 
  - Harsh presentation about a harsh reality  rockymountaindem   Jan-11-08 08:47 PM   #2 
  - Or Iraq.  karlrschneider   Jan-11-08 08:48 PM   #5 
  - Correct me if I'm wrong.  Reciprocity   Jan-11-08 08:57 PM   #15 
  - Let me restate ... my 14 y/o daughter who has yet to vote ....  sjdnb   Jan-11-08 11:55 PM   #79 
     - Don't let it squelch any hope she has for the future  Sydnie   Jan-12-08 12:58 AM   #91 
     - When it is 'mom' vs teacher ... mom rarely comes out  sjdnb   Jan-12-08 01:28 AM   #98 
     - You'd know best...  Orsino   Jan-12-08 10:46 AM   #125 
     - Reality is always age appropriate during and after adolescence  bean fidhleir   Jan-13-08 04:04 PM   #162 
  - I would think if she's in an honors class that she'd be mature enough to handle that, but  karlrschneider   Jan-11-08 08:47 PM   #3 
  - She could not understand how people could be so evil/cruel  sjdnb   Jan-11-08 08:50 PM   #7 
  - Imagine the pain the people who perished  emilyg   Jan-11-08 08:55 PM   #13 
  - Her pain in no way lessened their's.  midlife_mo_Jo   Jan-11-08 10:21 PM   #44 
  - A little sensitivity to the OP and her daughter is in order  KitchenWitch   Jan-11-08 10:38 PM   #54 
  - You must not be a parent  treestar   Jan-12-08 10:35 AM   #124 
     - I am a parent.  emilyg   Jan-12-08 01:57 PM   #148 
        - Then why did you post such a mean thing?  treestar   Jan-13-08 02:18 PM   #153 
  - Probably not a good idea to let her watch the evening news, then.  karlrschneider   Jan-11-08 09:00 PM   #18 
  - Always a comforting word...  BushDespiser12   Jan-11-08 11:24 PM   #68 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-12-08 09:42 AM   #116 
  - The realization that people CAN be so cruel was the hardest awakening  BushDespiser12   Jan-11-08 11:23 PM   #67 
  - That's how she'll come through it. You were there almost immediately...  Orsino   Jan-12-08 10:50 AM   #126 
  - I wrote my Senior Thesis in college about the Nazi's implementation  coalition_unwilling   Jan-12-08 02:15 PM   #150 
  - I had this same experience at 8 years old  goodgd_yall   Jan-13-08 02:41 PM   #158 
  - Hi Darlschneider, just some experience that I have with my own  midnight   Jan-11-08 10:18 PM   #42 
  - Intelligence and emotional maturity are two different things.  Breeze54   Jan-11-08 10:23 PM   #45 
  - Getting into Honors/AP classes has nothing to do with maturity.  Common Sense Party   Jan-12-08 01:12 AM   #94 
  - I think they should have informed the parents if it was going to be graphic...  cynatnite   Jan-11-08 08:47 PM   #4 
  - In my daughter's school, parents have to give written  LibDemAlways   Jan-11-08 11:42 PM   #76 
  - Middle school teacher here, and I agree.  femmocrat   Jan-11-08 08:49 PM   #6 
  - Better not to teach it until they're adults, than to teach it in a whitewashed and silly fashion....  Sarah Ibarruri   Jan-11-08 08:51 PM   #8 
  - Thank you.  emilyg   Jan-11-08 08:56 PM   #14 
  - We got educated on it when I was in high school...  cynatnite   Jan-11-08 09:01 PM   #20 
  - great, how about the millions who drop out of high school?  2rth2pwr   Jan-11-08 10:41 PM   #57 
  - True. We can thank the Repukes for turning this country into a sewer that way. nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Jan-12-08 09:45 AM   #118 
  - I have to disagree  DavidMS   Jan-13-08 07:46 PM   #167 
  - Sounds like child abuse to me.  MiltonF   Jan-11-08 08:51 PM   #9 
  - Well, TV stations subject kids to some pretty horrific things....  Sarah Ibarruri   Jan-11-08 08:53 PM   #11 
  - I don't allow toy guns, video game guns, or any other  sjdnb   Jan-11-08 11:28 PM   #72 
     - I wish everyone were like you. :( Unfortunately, most people are brainwashed and seduced....  Sarah Ibarruri   Jan-12-08 09:44 AM   #117 
  - There were children who lived these horrors  dflprincess   Jan-11-08 09:07 PM   #29 
  - Which means we are a nation of child abusers  bean fidhleir   Jan-13-08 04:09 PM   #163 
  - 1,000,000 Iraqis are dead because of our insensitivity to the value of human life.  patrice   Jan-11-08 08:51 PM   #10 
  - Would you subject a child to the images of 1,000,000 dead Iraqis?  MiltonF   Jan-11-08 08:55 PM   #12 
     - I'm not interested in arguing with you. 14 is old enough. nt  patrice   Jan-11-08 09:00 PM   #19 
     - I think it depends on the child  Mojorabbit   Jan-11-08 09:07 PM   #28 
     - That's how old Anne Frank was when she died. n/t  Withywindle   Jan-11-08 10:35 PM   #51 
     - I disagree. In fact if enough of them saw it as kids maybe when they grow up to be adults they'll be  truebrit71   Jan-12-08 11:24 AM   #131 
  - I have a 14 year old daughter, also honors.  Xithras   Jan-11-08 08:59 PM   #16 
  - My daughter was raised to care ... doing vol work since she  sjdnb   Jan-11-08 10:53 PM   #60 
  - She's a sensitive kid, a compassionate and empathetic kid  Warpy   Jan-11-08 08:59 PM   #17 
  - Good reply, thank you for posting what I was going to write.  uppityperson   Jan-11-08 09:01 PM   #22 
  - When he was 14, my grandfather in US by himself  LeftyMom   Jan-11-08 09:01 PM   #21 
  - 14 years old should be mature enough  Zorro   Jan-11-08 09:02 PM   #23 
  - Maybe I've just raised them to be too sensitive  sjdnb   Jan-11-08 11:21 PM   #65 
  - I'm sure you will get plenty  BlackVelvet04   Jan-11-08 09:02 PM   #24 
  - I agree. That's a bit much. Hell, when I was in High School, I cried for days after seeing the  in_cog_ni_to   Jan-11-08 09:05 PM   #25 
  - But that's probably one of the main reasons you're a good progressive Democrat!  karlrschneider   Jan-11-08 09:13 PM   #31 
  - It's difficult to even imagine  Nite Owl   Jan-11-08 09:05 PM   #26 
  - It's not a bad thing she cried.  rucky   Jan-11-08 09:06 PM   #27 
  - My mother was seven when Hitler marched into Austria  hobbit709   Jan-11-08 09:08 PM   #30 
  - When does the teaching of historical fact devolve into snuff porn? I don't know.  scarletwoman   Jan-11-08 09:13 PM   #32 
  - I think that unless you see things like films and photos  rockymountaindem   Jan-11-08 09:23 PM   #34 
  - That's absurd. I'm 58 years old. I read books. I never needed visuals to know that the Holocaust  scarletwoman   Jan-11-08 09:42 PM   #36 
  - Intellectuallizing is a way to keep one's distance and avoid engagement  bean fidhleir   Jan-13-08 04:14 PM   #164 
  - I wasn't allowed to see "Roots" as a child  proud patriot   Jan-11-08 09:21 PM   #33 
  - "Amistad" was cleaned up, actually.  Perragrande   Jan-11-08 11:33 PM   #73 
  - Diary of Anne Frank is usually taught in  phillysuse   Jan-11-08 09:23 PM   #35 
  - Four days of very graphic material in 8th grade English class?  midlife_mo_Jo   Jan-11-08 10:29 PM   #47 
  - "The Diary of Anne Frank" was heavily censored . . . wasn't it?  defendandprotect   Jan-11-08 11:45 PM   #78 
  - What do parents of 14 year olds do in Baghdad?  rug   Jan-11-08 09:48 PM   #37 
  - What's happening in Iraq is wrong and none of those children  Breeze54   Jan-11-08 10:29 PM   #48 
  - Not mine -- opted out. They plan on joining the Peace Corp.  sjdnb   Jan-11-08 11:23 PM   #66 
     - They may see some pretty difficult things in the Peace Corps, too.  mycritters2   Jan-13-08 02:47 PM   #161 
  - it's rough but it's real but she knows, her crying imo is a natural reaction to  chimpsrsmarter   Jan-11-08 09:50 PM   #38 
  - My boys used to get teary during these things  OzarkDem   Jan-11-08 09:57 PM   #39 
  - She's growing up and I'm not sure if it's advisable to protect her from these realities at her age.  Hoof Hearted   Jan-11-08 10:11 PM   #40 
  - Reading a book about it would have been better than a graphic film.  Breeze54   Jan-11-08 10:32 PM   #50 
  - In the case of the inexperienced, I respectfully disagree.  Hoof Hearted   Jan-12-08 12:44 AM   #87 
     - Is the focus only on hitting them over the head human tragedy and violence? Books lay the pathway...  Breeze54   Jan-12-08 01:13 AM   #95 
        - A fourteen year old child is but three years and some change from being expected to die  Hoof Hearted   Jan-12-08 02:30 AM   #100 
        - You're eyes are turning brown  Breeze54   Jan-12-08 04:47 AM   #105 
           - the maturity and strength of your response speaks for itself n/t  Hoof Hearted   Jan-12-08 04:52 AM   #106 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-12-08 05:25 AM   #109 
                 - seems that a combination of the two might have been the best approach  hiphopnation23   Jan-12-08 11:05 AM   #129 
        - 14 is not emotionally pre-teenage.  WritingIsMyReligion   Jan-12-08 11:42 AM   #134 
  - good suggestion  JoeIsOneOfUs   Jan-11-08 10:37 PM   #52 
  - I can remember being 14 and spending the night with a friend.  TNDemo   Jan-11-08 10:14 PM   #41 
  - perhaps you should home school...then when they become shia muslim no facts will stand in their way!  Didereaux   Jan-11-08 10:20 PM   #43 
  - Perhaps you could empathize instead of spewing meaningless drivel...?  BushDespiser12   Jan-11-08 11:42 PM   #75 
  - I'd call the teacher. Maybe the teacher isn't 'tuned in'  Breeze54   Jan-11-08 10:27 PM   #46 
  - 14 is when the critical thinking begins.  BullGooseLoony   Jan-11-08 10:30 PM   #49 
  - Saw it in school at about the same age. Didn't cry, but never forgot.  robbedvoter   Jan-11-08 10:37 PM   #53 
  - At 10 years old I read everything I could about the Holocaust  lamprey   Jan-11-08 10:39 PM   #55 
  - what about other kids and her while at school?  JoeIsOneOfUs   Jan-11-08 10:40 PM   #56 
  - Well, I'm not a parent, but here's my perspective.  Withywindle   Jan-11-08 10:42 PM   #58 
  - Trust me, I'm not naive when it comes to what children CAN take in childhood ...  sjdnb   Jan-11-08 11:02 PM   #63 
     - Really? Then why the OP question? Clearly you don't know what decision to make.  Breeze54   Jan-12-08 04:57 AM   #107 
     - Oh, that's an excellent poitn.  Withywindle   Jan-12-08 12:08 PM   #138 
  - I have trouble with it - and I'm 54! - nope - now 55! as of New Year's Eve...  TankLV   Jan-11-08 10:48 PM   #59 
  - Kids from survivors got this and then some younger than that  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-11-08 10:57 PM   #61 
  - Then it's time for her to read Viktor Frankl "Man's Search For Meaning"  TahitiNut   Jan-11-08 11:01 PM   #62 
  - Of course I don't know your daughter but  jmm   Jan-11-08 11:10 PM   #64 
  - At 41 she'll probably react the same way ...  sjdnb   Jan-12-08 12:17 AM   #81 
     - She'd be 41 and 27 more years of atrocities would have happened  bean fidhleir   Jan-13-08 04:26 PM   #165 
  - War is hell is more than true but to those not exposed to it it's afairytale. Education is im0portan  cooolandrew   Jan-11-08 11:26 PM   #69 
  - War is hell is more than true but to those not exposed to it it's afairytale. Education is important  cooolandrew   Jan-11-08 11:26 PM   #70 
  - I agree that this seems like a lot for 14-year-olds to digest in just a few days.  emmadoggy   Jan-11-08 11:28 PM   #71 
  - My 13 year old daughter has handled a very similar  alittlelark   Jan-11-08 11:40 PM   #74 
  - I agree ---  defendandprotect   Jan-11-08 11:43 PM   #77 
  - You write like my daughter thinks ... now  sjdnb   Jan-12-08 12:06 AM   #80 
     - You're citing one of the most important ways of thinking ---  defendandprotect   Jan-12-08 12:25 AM   #82 
     - Then YOU sit down and teach her that!  piesRsquare   Jan-12-08 04:58 AM   #108 
  - Your not over protective thats nuts  marlakay   Jan-12-08 12:25 AM   #83 
  - There were a lot of 14 year olds at Auschwitz who couldn't look away  Prisoner_Number_Six   Jan-12-08 12:34 AM   #84 
  - I believe what you say is true, to some extent ...  sjdnb   Jan-12-08 12:59 AM   #92 
  - I have a family friend who was seven when he was brought to that  Lorien   Jan-12-08 12:14 PM   #140 
  - I had to leave the room when I was in college because I couldn't watch  clyrc   Jan-12-08 12:38 AM   #85 
  - I haven't read the other responses, so I don't know  MonkeyFunk   Jan-12-08 12:41 AM   #86 
  - At that age, Idon't think they need graphic images or details.  Desertrose   Jan-12-08 12:47 AM   #88 
  - They recruit kids before they hit college. /nt  readmoreoften   Jan-12-08 12:56 AM   #90 
  - 14 is too young? Are you crazy? They start recruiting at 17.  readmoreoften   Jan-12-08 12:54 AM   #89 
  - Could you please explain your comments a little more?  cynatnite   Jan-12-08 01:19 AM   #96 
  - give her a hug from me  Swamp Rat   Jan-12-08 01:07 AM   #93 
  - My parents took me to Dachau  hobbit709   Jan-12-08 08:26 AM   #111 
  - You should follow your instincts. A mothers instincts are always right!  Breeze54   Jan-12-08 01:24 AM   #97 
  - Untrue. n/t  kgfnally   Jan-12-08 12:03 PM   #137 
  - Youngsters, the next generation, need to know the truth about the world they live in.  ConsAreLiars   Jan-12-08 02:07 AM   #99 
  - You've "discussed these events and other genocides" with your children  Laurier   Jan-12-08 02:49 AM   #101 
  - I think it's rather the length and intensity of the class discussion  Common Sense Party   Jan-12-08 03:36 AM   #102 
  - It was the bombardment of graphic/audio images  sjdnb   Jan-12-08 11:03 PM   #152 
  - I grew up in germany. We were fed that stuff from day one.  Smith_3   Jan-12-08 04:13 AM   #103 
  - actually, at 14, i think it's one of the better times to do it.  NuttyFluffers   Jan-12-08 04:19 AM   #104 
  - It was probably too much too fast...  and-justice-for-all   Jan-12-08 05:29 AM   #110 
  - We try to incrementally impart the idea of evil in the world to our daughter  Echo In Light   Jan-12-08 08:33 AM   #112 
  - to be honest,I have shown these images to my children.  w8liftinglady   Jan-12-08 08:35 AM   #113 
  - Absolutely Should Not Be Showing This  NeedleCast   Jan-12-08 08:41 AM   #114 
  - Yes! It is time to start facing reality when you are in your teens.  Jesuswasntafascist   Jan-12-08 08:42 AM   #115 
  - 14 is old enough. It happened the way it happened.  Edweird   Jan-12-08 09:55 AM   #119 
  - You say you don't want your daughter to lose hope,  Ms. Toad   Jan-12-08 10:05 AM   #120 
  - That assignment is usually reserved for high school.  knitter4democracy   Jan-12-08 10:07 AM   #121 
  - Yes, my older kids covered this when they were about sixteen or seventeen  midlife_mo_Jo   Jan-12-08 10:18 AM   #122 
     - As a former high school English teacher, I know I'd be mad if she stole my assignment.  knitter4democracy   Jan-12-08 02:08 PM   #149 
  - Oh, I agree  treestar   Jan-12-08 10:33 AM   #123 
  - without reading the whole thread...  hiphopnation23   Jan-12-08 11:01 AM   #127 
  - when i asked myself if 8 year old should see the ugliest of iraqi war  seabeyond   Jan-12-08 01:48 PM   #147 
  - FWIW, my father introduced me to the Holocaust when I was in 8th grade. He took me to the library,  Beausoir   Jan-12-08 11:02 AM   #128 
  - I'd have to disagree with you. When I was about that same age I witnessed a presentation about...  truebrit71   Jan-12-08 11:18 AM   #130 
  - I grew up seeing these sights on the movie screen  watercolors   Jan-12-08 11:26 AM   #132 
  - I would think an honors class should be able to handle that.  WritingIsMyReligion   Jan-12-08 11:38 AM   #133 
  - Sounds like genocide overload  48percenter   Jan-12-08 11:51 AM   #135 
  - I'm sorry. I can totally empathize.  Midlodemocrat   Jan-12-08 12:02 PM   #136 
  - An english class doesn't require this level of graphic violence  jazzjunkysue   Jan-12-08 12:11 PM   #139 
  - You hit the nail on the head!  midlife_mo_Jo   Jan-12-08 12:52 PM   #143 
  - I agree. It's too much for fourteen year olds to handle.  Cleita   Jan-12-08 12:16 PM   #141 
  - Here's a link with suggestions for teaching about the Holocaust. note #11  OurVotesCount-Ohio   Jan-12-08 12:39 PM   #142 
  - That's the whole argument in a nutshell.  mcscajun   Jan-13-08 02:40 PM   #157 
  - Let me get this straight.....  JerseyGirlDem   Jan-12-08 12:55 PM   #144 
  - My 13 y.o. son asked me about Hitler last summer.  Mythsaje   Jan-12-08 01:02 PM   #145 
  - hugs to your daughter, she will be fine. i like it. i like they did this. i like it is so  seabeyond   Jan-12-08 01:12 PM   #146 
  - Thank you for raising a decent human being.  redwitch   Jan-12-08 02:18 PM   #151 
  - Nobody knows your daughter like you do. I wouldn't ask advice from people who can only guess  LittleClarkie   Jan-13-08 02:25 PM   #154 
  - I think you're right  goodgd_yall   Jan-13-08 02:35 PM   #155 
  - Honors English or not, I think that's too much for a 14 y/o to handle.  mcscajun   Jan-13-08 02:38 PM   #156 
  - They should be using Iraq as an example instead.  IamyourTVandIownyou   Jan-13-08 02:43 PM   #159 
  - They should be using Iraq as an example instead.  IamyourTVandIownyou   Jan-13-08 02:43 PM   #160 
  - I understand your angst at seeing your daughter in pain but  arthritisR_US   Jan-13-08 04:28 PM   #166 
 

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