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18. Am I a far-far lefty? Please tell me if I am.
I believe in universal health care (not insurance, health care);

I believe in lobbying being made illegal, tho anyone may write letters to their elected officials;

I believe that the old should be well taken care of financially and medically using tax funds, not made to decide whether to buy a medicine or have a roof over their head.

I believe in strong anti-trust laws;

I believe the largest source of our problems is right wing thinking and the free market lies of economists and the economic theory taught in the western nations;

I believe free trade is a quick and easy way for the rich to get richer, the poor poorer, and the middle class poor;

I believe there should be a true progressive tax without deductions after a certain amount of wealth/salary;

I believe men and women should not go to bed on the first date, or the second, or the third;

I believe no one should have sex with someone before they know their family, their family's background, their family's names, have met them, etc.

I believe everyone should be sexually faithful;

I believe both marriage and divorce should be very difficult to obtain;

I believe teenagers should eat their dinner with their families every night;

I believe drugs should not be used by teenagers.
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  -"The far-left is just as bad as the far-right." MN Against Bush  Jan-10-08 08:05 PM   #0 
  - I always thought far-far-lefties...  Bicoastal   Jan-10-08 08:07 PM   #1 
  - The folks at Counterpunch quallify for me  LittleClarkie   Jan-10-08 08:10 PM   #3 
  - so kucinich is your definition of far left???? nt  tomp   Jan-10-08 11:42 PM   #77 
  - Did they hurt your feeling because they saw things differently from you? I'm not  John Q. Citizen   Jan-11-08 12:23 PM   #127 
     - wow  themartyred   Jan-11-08 06:17 PM   #174 
  - While there are a tiny number out there who do that type of thing they are extremely rare...  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 08:11 PM   #5 
  - I think when many people think of "far left"  ihavenobias   Jan-10-08 10:21 PM   #59 
  - And "tiny number" is right.  NCevilDUer   Jan-11-08 12:51 PM   #130 
  - Those people are extremists, not the 'far left'.  Breeze54   Jan-10-08 08:14 PM   #9 
  - Exactly  DBoon   Jan-10-08 11:37 PM   #76 
  - That is exactly it in a nutshell. Thank you. n/t  sazemisery   Jan-11-08 02:10 PM   #144 
  - THANK YOU!  redqueen   Jan-11-08 01:55 PM   #137 
  - Sorry, I am not a "normal Democrat"...  FarLeftRage   Jan-11-08 06:16 PM   #173 
  - I'm not sure that Anarchists would agree.  Kutjara   Jan-10-08 08:14 PM   #10 
  - Good analysis. Gandhi was an Anarchist.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jan-10-08 08:29 PM   #27 
  - why didn't I just read what you wrote...  harmonicon   Jan-11-08 02:21 PM   #152 
  - That was a very cogent obervation  truedelphi   Jan-11-08 06:45 PM   #179 
  - I always thought that people who make those remarks are usually referring to Hitler and Stalin  rockymountaindem   Jan-10-08 08:15 PM   #12 
  - Exactly, rockymountaindem. That is precisely the frame of reference which most  pampango   Jan-11-08 06:55 AM   #94 
  - I wish that were true  Cant trust em   Jan-11-08 11:20 AM   #107 
  - Am I a far-far lefty? Please tell me if I am.  Sarah Ibarruri   Jan-10-08 08:20 PM   #18 
  - Nope, you sure aren't.  harmonicon   Jan-11-08 02:32 PM   #155 
     - That's exactly what I think, but people in the U.S. (including Democrats) call me extreme lefty  Sarah Ibarruri   Jan-11-08 07:45 PM   #189 
        - yep, that about covers it.  harmonicon   Jan-11-08 10:12 PM   #208 
  - No. You're confusing anarchy/totalitarianism with left-right.  readmoreoften   Jan-10-08 08:24 PM   #22 
  - Read a book once in a while.  superduperfarleft   Jan-10-08 10:06 PM   #51 
  - Anarchism hasn't anything to do with torching SUVs  Echo In Light   Jan-11-08 06:48 AM   #92 
  - Anarchists don't believe in violence.  yardwork   Jan-11-08 09:23 AM   #95 
  - Funny, their was a thread here about some dude's Hummer being vadalized  CRF450   Jan-11-08 12:02 PM   #119 
  - What about people who throw tea into harbors?  Bornaginhooligan   Jan-11-08 12:06 PM   #120 
  - And your argument, please?  CRF450   Jan-11-08 12:20 PM   #126 
     - I'm figuring you'd detest that sort of activity.  Bornaginhooligan   Jan-11-08 12:55 PM   #131 
  - Got a link, or should we take the word of someone who destroys our public property for their own  John Q. Citizen   Jan-11-08 12:45 PM   #128 
     - The riding illegally part pisses me off too  CRF450   Jan-11-08 12:56 PM   #132 
  - Your memes are showing  pollo poco   Jan-11-08 01:56 PM   #138 
  - Not sure anarchism lies on the traditional right-left political spectrum.  coalition_unwilling   Jan-11-08 02:14 PM   #147 
  - I suggest that  chervilant   Jan-11-08 02:14 PM   #149 
  - I think the far left may mean anarchists, but I don't even know if anarchists...  harmonicon   Jan-11-08 02:17 PM   #150 
  - What a pile of boooolcheeet  ooglymoogly   Jan-11-08 06:28 PM   #177 
  - Anarchists Are Anarchists! that Does NOT Transl;ate To Being  ChiciB1   Jan-11-08 06:38 PM   #178 
  - Perfect. I'd like to see this OP carved in stone & placed on the Mall  JeffR   Jan-10-08 08:09 PM   #2 
  - Maybe the "far left" believes in telling the truth all the time? Fancy that!  TahitiNut   Jan-10-08 08:10 PM   #4 
  - You hit the nail on the head! Thank You!  Breeze54   Jan-10-08 08:11 PM   #6 
  - I think they usually mean in terms of behavior  Naturyl   Jan-10-08 08:12 PM   #7 
  - Who is "we"?  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 08:15 PM   #11 
     - I mean behavior in the realm of political discourse  Naturyl   Jan-10-08 08:16 PM   #16 
     - In that case I would suggest you include "moderates" in the equation...  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 09:16 PM   #42 
     - Both Hillary and Obama are 'Moderates"...  bvar22   Jan-11-08 11:21 AM   #108 
     - ELF, among others. {nt}  Aya Reiko   Jan-10-08 08:21 PM   #19 
        - The ELF has never had any real influence in this country...  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 08:34 PM   #29 
        - There is nothing "left" about ALF or ELF  Lilith Velkor   Jan-10-08 08:56 PM   #36 
           - I agree, that is why I said many of them are almost certainly right-wingers  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 09:09 PM   #41 
           - Um, no.  superduperfarleft   Jan-10-08 10:07 PM   #53 
           - Different extremes attract different crazies  Lilith Velkor   Jan-10-08 10:19 PM   #58 
              - I am not denying they exist...  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 10:33 PM   #63 
           - That is a complete crock of shit.  LeftyMom   Jan-11-08 01:42 AM   #85 
           - You're welcome.  Lilith Velkor   Jan-11-08 09:26 AM   #96 
              - It must be nice to have somebody to hate so much.  LeftyMom   Jan-11-08 10:25 AM   #102 
                 - You know what's even easier than that?  Lilith Velkor   Jan-11-08 11:41 AM   #113 
           - "I've met some of those guys"  flvegan   Jan-11-08 09:42 PM   #207 
        - Did I miss the part where anybody ever got hurt in an ELF action?  LeftyMom   Jan-11-08 01:35 AM   #84 
           - The people who loose jobs or can't finish building homes aren't hurt? nt  I work for workers   Jan-11-08 10:21 AM   #100 
              - So we shouldn't boycott or protest WalMart because the blue vests might lose hours?  LeftyMom   Jan-11-08 10:23 AM   #101 
                 - You shouldn't burn Wal-Marts down.  I work for workers   Jan-11-08 10:25 AM   #103 
                    - I'm not a big fan of arson as a protest tactic myself.  LeftyMom   Jan-11-08 10:27 AM   #104 
  - Excellent! K&R, and off to the Greatest Page with ye!  Mister Ed   Jan-10-08 08:13 PM   #8 
  - I got fascists to the left of me and fascists to the right of me  Cronus Protagonist   Jan-10-08 08:15 PM   #13 
  - Well if you believe that I would suggest you read up on what fascism is...  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 08:18 PM   #17 
     - You're right, I should have said "totalitarians" or "authoritarians"  Cronus Protagonist   Jan-10-08 08:25 PM   #23 
        - Can you name me any leftist totalitiarian groups that have significant influence in the US?  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 08:37 PM   #31 
        - Can you spell PLONK?  Cronus Protagonist   Jan-10-08 08:49 PM   #34 
        - Commies to the left of me, fascists to the right...  Lilith Velkor   Jan-10-08 08:58 PM   #38 
  - The "far left" helps people. the "far right" kills people.  phiddle   Jan-10-08 08:15 PM   #14 
  - What you're discussing isn't "far left extremism"  melody   Jan-10-08 08:16 PM   #15 
  - But that is the point, there is no far-left extremism to speak of in this country  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 08:21 PM   #20 
  - Correct. There is no far left at all in the US. Kucinich is center-moderate left. /nt  readmoreoften   Jan-10-08 08:25 PM   #24 
  - Oh, I have -- one environmentalist I met wanted a "die off" of humans to preserve the earth  melody   Jan-10-08 09:42 PM   #43 
  - I have had plenty of contact with leftists, and I have never met anyone like that  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 10:04 PM   #50 
  - They manifest in different ways, but we have as many wackos as they do  melody   Jan-10-08 10:57 PM   #72 
     - "no genuine conservative who agrees with a neocon"  bvar22   Jan-11-08 12:01 PM   #118 
        - Where did I mention the DLC? What inference did you draw?  melody   Jan-11-08 03:57 PM   #163 
  - The first thing sounds like what Garrett Hardin proposes in the tragedy of the commons  Hippo_Tron   Jan-11-08 01:11 AM   #82 
     - Exactly. Some of the more extreme environmentalists sound rather Mansonsque these days  melody   Jan-11-08 02:09 AM   #86 
  - I think there was an extremist far-left movement building in the US -- before 9/11.  intheflow   Jan-10-08 10:04 PM   #49 
     - I know who you are talking about, and they are nothing like the far-right  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 10:28 PM   #60 
     - True, there are presently more far-right extremists than far-left extremists.  intheflow   Jan-10-08 11:45 PM   #78 
     - Unless you have proof of your allegations, here...  Solon   Jan-11-08 06:43 AM   #91 
     - Yes, I have.  intheflow   Jan-11-08 11:35 AM   #111 
     - It is my belief that undercover Police provacateurs  bvar22   Jan-11-08 11:42 AM   #114 
     - Not to mention the overreaction by the police, which forced more moderate unions to join the...  Solon   Jan-11-08 11:48 AM   #116 
     - vandalism or violence?  Leopolds Ghost   Jan-11-08 02:00 PM   #139 
     - That was my experience at a Portland protest of one of Cheney's visits  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-11-08 02:13 PM   #146 
     - You seem angry about store windows being broken. repudiating an entire historical movement!  Leopolds Ghost   Jan-11-08 02:03 PM   #141 
        - No, I was upset that the poster I responded to basically said that the "far left"...  Solon   Jan-11-08 09:07 PM   #204 
     - I thought the Battle for Seattle was a step forward. Why are liberals now repudiating it?  Leopolds Ghost   Jan-11-08 01:52 PM   #135 
        - I agree. My heart bleeds for the windows of Chase Manhattan. What extremists...  readmoreoften   Jan-11-08 02:08 PM   #142 
  - That's funny (not). When I went to college at the University of Missouri  coalition_unwilling   Jan-11-08 02:27 PM   #153 
     - *Please* re-read what I wrote and not what you thought I said n/t  melody   Jan-11-08 03:58 PM   #164 
  - K&R -- so-called moderates can suck my far-left nut.  jgraz   Jan-10-08 08:23 PM   #21 
  - That's what I call far left,, people who can't stand moderates  creeksneakers2   Jan-10-08 10:38 PM   #66 
  - Spoken like a true moderate.  jgraz   Jan-10-08 10:41 PM   #67 
  - I would advise you to read my journal if you think I seldom attack Republicans  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 10:48 PM   #69 
  - Speaking of poetic imagery..........  karlrschneider   Jan-11-08 11:50 AM   #117 
  - Apparently anything to the left of the DLC is considered "far left"  Kucinich4America   Jan-10-08 08:27 PM   #25 
  - That seems to be the pattern -- and it feels like it's getting worse all the time. eom  ProgressIn2008   Jan-11-08 07:07 PM   #182 
  - Sticks and Stones from moderates who plainly see that....  chknltl   Jan-10-08 08:27 PM   #26 
  - The difference is the far-far left has never been in control of media and government  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Jan-10-08 08:29 PM   #28 
  - I think the far left and far right touch at the ends. But I don't think the people depicted in  mondo joe   Jan-10-08 08:36 PM   #30 
  - In this country the people in my post are the "far-left"...  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 08:43 PM   #33 
  - They are too some dishonest or ignorant people, true.  mondo joe   Jan-10-08 08:56 PM   #37 
     - Are you calling Chomsky and Zinn ignorant?  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 09:07 PM   #40 
        - I'm calling people who those the OP described are "far left" ignorant.  mondo joe   Jan-10-08 10:29 PM   #61 
           - What makes them ignorant?  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 10:34 PM   #64 
              - What makes them ignorant is that they don't know what far left REALLY is if they think the  mondo joe   Jan-10-08 10:37 PM   #65 
                 - I am speaking of the American political spectrum...  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 10:43 PM   #68 
                    - Duh. Now go back and read our litle subthread.  mondo joe   Jan-10-08 10:55 PM   #71 
  - agree completely  dmordue   Jan-10-08 08:53 PM   #35 
  - Glad I'm not the only  guruoo   Jan-11-08 12:46 PM   #129 
  - The Difference is in how we plan to get there  NeedleCast   Jan-10-08 08:41 PM   #32 
  - I Might Agree with the General Sentiment  ribofunk   Jan-10-08 09:02 PM   #39 
  - But are we just talking about America?  otherlander   Jan-10-08 10:06 PM   #52 
     - In this case we are...  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 10:13 PM   #54 
  - I wish that I could rec this twice!  tnlefty   Jan-10-08 09:53 PM   #44 
  - The "left, right, center" political analogy is SO faulty. :(  Political Heretic   Jan-10-08 09:55 PM   #45 
  - Yeah, 1 dimension doesn't really work.  otherlander   Jan-10-08 10:13 PM   #55 
  - I thought the far left went much farther left than that.  madeline_con   Jan-10-08 09:57 PM   #46 
  - Excellent piece, worth recommending. Made me realize how idiotic such comments can appear  AuntPatsy   Jan-10-08 09:58 PM   #47 
  - No, but the wacky left is as wacky as the wacky right  HughMoran   Jan-10-08 10:01 PM   #48 
  - Yeah but the wacky center and their idiotic smugness is why we are where we are today. /nt  readmoreoften   Jan-11-08 02:10 PM   #143 
  - The FAR MIDDLE gave us Nixon and Bush  Kip Humphrey   Jan-10-08 10:17 PM   #56 
  - "The far middle"  sfexpat2000   Jan-10-08 10:19 PM   #57 
  - Extreme views are always  lala_rawraw   Jan-10-08 10:30 PM   #62 
  - hate to break it to you but the far left doesn't have a monopoly on these issues  dwickham   Jan-10-08 10:49 PM   #70 
  - What you described are moderates  Mithreal   Jan-11-08 12:31 AM   #80 
     - I don't like labels  dwickham   Jan-11-08 08:50 PM   #202 
        - You used the labels conservative and liberal.  Mithreal   Jan-12-08 12:03 AM   #211 
  - The far right made Bush president  DBoon   Jan-10-08 11:30 PM   #73 
  - exactly  krabigirl   Jan-11-08 09:35 AM   #97 
  - "Centrist" Democrats helped Bush*.  bvar22   Jan-11-08 11:29 AM   #110 
  - It's empirical...  nikto   Jan-10-08 11:30 PM   #74 
  - CENTRISTS got US where we are today!!!  OKthatsIT   Jan-10-08 11:35 PM   #75 
  - Both parties and the middle got us into our Banking messes  Mithreal   Jan-11-08 12:45 AM   #81 
  - The REAL "far left" in America is so small as to be statistically insignificant  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-10-08 11:48 PM   #79 
  - Well, if one is a self-described Marxist  midlife_mo_Jo   Jan-11-08 05:20 PM   #168 
     - Right, but there are no true "far leftists" among Dem elected officials  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-11-08 09:25 PM   #206 
  - really nice. k&r. reading this demonstrates what so many people  orleans   Jan-11-08 01:28 AM   #83 
  - Apparently I'm part of the far left  donheld   Jan-11-08 02:13 AM   #87 
  - Flamethrower returned to Standby.  Cobalt-60   Jan-11-08 03:05 AM   #88 
  - "Extremism in the defense of virtue is no vice."  WilliamPitt   Jan-11-08 03:21 AM   #89 
  - I will say it time after time: LEFT and RIGHT is just to divide us. The real issue  conspirator   Jan-11-08 06:19 AM   #90 
  - "America has one political party with two right wings" - Gore Vidal  Echo In Light   Jan-11-08 06:49 AM   #93 
  - Ironic  Cant trust em   Jan-11-08 11:23 AM   #109 
  - I am a proud leftiist with little use for "moderates..."  mike_c   Jan-11-08 10:04 AM   #98 
  - Exactly. Moderate left is just that much closer to the right, and that's why it's roundly encouraged  Echo In Light   Jan-11-08 10:07 AM   #99 
  - You have been dug...  stimbox   Jan-11-08 10:35 AM   #105 
  - I needed this today.  DontTreadOnMe   Jan-11-08 10:58 AM   #106 
  - No actually, RWers will tell you what you believe  IronLionZion   Jan-11-08 11:39 AM   #112 
  - Yup. The far left has never had control of even one branch of our  Sentinel Chicken   Jan-11-08 11:46 AM   #115 
  - Far left = average guy that wants secure job, 40 hours, reasonable house, good education for  rhett o rick   Jan-11-08 12:07 PM   #121 
  - this needed to be said, and you said it superbly, MN against Bush  bbgrunt   Jan-11-08 12:07 PM   #122 
  - The American People are "Far Left".  bvar22   Jan-11-08 12:10 PM   #123 
  - The question of the century:  LWolf   Jan-12-08 01:03 PM   #224 
  - all extremists make me nervous...  LanternWaste   Jan-11-08 12:15 PM   #124 
  - The positions you describe as far left aren't the AUTHORITARIAN far left  slackmaster   Jan-11-08 12:16 PM   #125 
  - That Chinese coworker sure gets around...  stimbox   Jan-11-08 01:06 PM   #133 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-11-08 01:12 PM   #134 
  - The statement by my coworker was original, I've never seen those words anywhere else  slackmaster   Jan-12-08 09:30 AM   #214 
     - Libertarians are right wing!  stimbox   Jan-12-08 10:50 AM   #217 
        - Ron Paul is very right-wing  slackmaster   Jan-13-08 01:10 PM   #225 
  - Yeah, we're not likely to have a Maoist or Stalinist uprising in the US.  readmoreoften   Jan-11-08 02:11 PM   #145 
  - Thanks for posting this, MN Against Bush  donkeyotay   Jan-11-08 01:54 PM   #136 
  - all these terms are relative  Bill McBlueState   Jan-11-08 02:02 PM   #140 
  - When I did that survey, I ended up waaaay in the lower left corner...  RoccoR5955   Jan-11-08 07:55 PM   #196 
  - There was nothing **Moderate** about supporting a war that has cost  Tom Joad   Jan-11-08 02:14 PM   #148 
  - The Far Left  GeneCosta   Jan-11-08 02:18 PM   #151 
  - "Far Left" should be defined as those who thought that the Iraq War  Tom Joad   Jan-11-08 02:31 PM   #154 
  - American political discourse covers the gamut - from conservative  klook   Jan-11-08 02:44 PM   #156 
  - There really isn't a "far, far Left" in this country.  durutti   Jan-11-08 02:54 PM   #157 
  - dupe  defendandprotect   Jan-11-08 02:57 PM   #158 
  - And in regard to the planet and survival of our species, how far "left" dare we go -- ?  defendandprotect   Jan-11-08 03:02 PM   #160 
  - Let's look at it this way, the Founders were of the far "left" --- what would you call them?  defendandprotect   Jan-11-08 02:58 PM   #159 
  - Here's what David Edelstadt ("left-libertarian") wrote in the latter part of the 19th Century:  pnorman   Jan-11-08 03:09 PM   #161 
  - Damn good post! K&R.  EOTE   Jan-11-08 03:50 PM   #162 
  - The far right and far left aren't even close in "badness"  mac2   Jan-11-08 04:04 PM   #165 
  - It's not easy being on the left in Texas  pingzing58   Jan-11-08 04:05 PM   #166 
  - Far right are much more common than far left  windoe   Jan-11-08 04:44 PM   #167 
  - Far left...  7horses   Jan-11-08 05:21 PM   #169 
  - Far left would be authoritarian socialism or communism  midlife_mo_Jo   Jan-11-08 05:30 PM   #170 
     - I don't know.  FiveGoodMen   Jan-11-08 06:02 PM   #171 
        - No, far left means the same as far right  midlife_mo_Jo   Jan-11-08 07:03 PM   #181 
           - Says who?  FiveGoodMen   Jan-11-08 07:42 PM   #188 
              - Ummm...aren't we all sharing our opinions, here?  midlife_mo_Jo   Jan-11-08 07:46 PM   #190 
                 - No, you were telling me THE definition of a phrase and I was asking who defined it.  FiveGoodMen   Jan-11-08 08:14 PM   #201 
  - look at what the people in Russia have lost.  onwardupward   Jan-11-08 06:07 PM   #172 
  - Funny, I don't know any Russians who want to go back to that system  slackmaster   Jan-11-08 06:19 PM   #175 
  - Yes, look at what the people have lost  midlife_mo_Jo   Jan-11-08 07:38 PM   #186 
  - What Gorbachev clearly wanted for the USSR,  pnorman   Jan-11-08 11:34 PM   #210 
  - Yep.  jeff30997   Jan-11-08 06:23 PM   #176 
  - Political Moderation when our Constutution & Bill of Rights is threatened IS COWARDESS!  amb123   Jan-11-08 06:49 PM   #180 
  - I always remind the wacko  femrap   Jan-11-08 07:14 PM   #183 
  - The far left is as bad as the far right, but in America it's far smaller.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jan-11-08 07:19 PM   #184 
  - Very good observation. Excellent.  midlife_mo_Jo   Jan-11-08 07:38 PM   #187 
  - Agreed ... We are the center . the far left is marginalized  proud patriot   Jan-11-08 07:54 PM   #195 
     - I think that's promoting the general welfare  midlife_mo_Jo   Jan-11-08 08:08 PM   #199 
  - Please help spread this meme  lwcon   Jan-11-08 07:31 PM   #185 
  - Example of a far-left AUTHORITARIAN idea for those who don't understand the concept  slackmaster   Jan-11-08 07:48 PM   #191 
  - Well, in all apartment buildings the  midlife_mo_Jo   Jan-11-08 07:53 PM   #194 
  - The government set a one-size-fits-none temperature and imposed it on everyone  slackmaster   Jan-11-08 07:56 PM   #197 
     - My trips were after the "wall fell,"  midlife_mo_Jo   Jan-11-08 08:03 PM   #198 
  - Actually that sounds like an example of Moderate Extremism...  Solon   Jan-11-08 09:03 PM   #203 
     - The majority of the CA legislature is all about social engineering  slackmaster   Jan-12-08 09:25 AM   #212 
        - So California is home of extreme leftists?  Solon   Jan-12-08 10:18 AM   #215 
           - Not as extreme as Cuba, but compared to the rest of the US they're pretty far left  slackmaster   Jan-12-08 10:49 AM   #216 
              - Solon wasn't comparing California to the "rest of the US".  drking81   Jan-12-08 11:02 AM   #218 
              - You would have to state a truth first...  Solon   Jan-12-08 11:06 AM   #219 
                 - No, they're at least two-dimensional - Left/Right and Authoritarian/Libertarian  slackmaster   Jan-12-08 11:44 AM   #220 
                    - So now California is Socialist?  Solon   Jan-12-08 11:52 AM   #221 
                       - That is a Straw Man  slackmaster   Jan-13-08 01:12 PM   #226 
  - yes, I agree with you.  JerseygirlCT   Jan-11-08 07:50 PM   #192 
  - Damn straight.  eib1   Jan-11-08 07:53 PM   #193 
  - different perspective on the "far left" term  km7368   Jan-11-08 08:08 PM   #200 
  - If the Far Left Was In Power, It Would Be As Bad As the Far Right  Crisco   Jan-11-08 09:08 PM   #205 
  - Socialism and communism, at least in the context of its  GeneCosta   Jan-11-08 11:28 PM   #209 
  - Right. "Socialism" has been maligned along with "liberalism"  Echo In Light   Jan-12-08 09:30 AM   #213 
     - agreed...  1awake   Jan-12-08 12:51 PM   #223 
  - They've never seen the Far Left...  Orsino   Jan-12-08 12:46 PM   #222 

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