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"The far-left is just as bad as the far-right."
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We have heard it time and time again. The far left is just as bad as the far right they tell us. Of course they never tell us what the far left stands for, so maybe we should look at the positions of the left in America and compare them to the positions of the right so that we can confirm whether or not they are indeed just as bad.

Apparently it is just as bad to believe every American should have access to quality health care as it is to leave tens of millions to live without health insurance.

Apparently it is just as bad to want peace as it is to bomb a civilian population which posed no threat to the United States .

Apparently it is just as bad to want to protect our environment as it is to allow industry to spew more toxic chemicals into our air and water.

Apparently it is just as bad to believe every American should have equal rights as it is to believe that people should have their rights denied if they love someone of the same sex.

Apparently it is just as bad to believe that we should work to protect peoples basic Constitutional rights as it is to believe that we should hold people in secret prisons without charges and torture them.

Apparently it is just as bad to believe that we should count all votes accurately as it is to believe that we should allow Diebold to count our votes without oversight or accountability.

Apparently it is just as bad to believe that everyone should have an equal voice in our democracy as it is to believe that those who can afford the biggest campaign contributions should have their voice heard more loudly than everyone else.

Apparently it is just as bad to believe that we should start moving towards renewable energy sources as it is to believe we should continue allowing Exxon to run our energy policy.

Apparently it is just as bad to believe that all Americans should receive a fair wage for their labor as it is to believe that we should continue to pay CEOs over 400 times what the average worker makes.

Apparently it is just as bad to believe that no person is above the law as it is to believe that the people in the White House should face no accountability for their crimes.

Apparently it is just as bad to believe that we should listen to the scientists and do something about global warming as it is to play Russian Roulette with our childrens future and do nothing to stop the coming environmental catastrophe.

They can say that the far left is just as bad as the far right all they want, but the truth is that on every major issue of importance it is the leftist position that would benefit the most people. It is the leftist position that respects human rights and workers rights. It is the leftist position that seeks peaceful solutions rather than the military solutions which result in mountains of dead bodies. But they keep telling us that the left is just as bad as the right, and people still keep blindly repeating the talking point without seriously looking at the positions held by each side.

What exactly is it that makes someone far left? Is it their belief that everyone should have the right to health care? Is it their belief that corporations should be held accountable when they cause harm? Is it their belief that we should not bomb civilian populations who pose us no threat? Is it their belief that torture is wrong? Is it their belief that the pResident should have to follow the law? What position is it exactly that makes someone far left?

I am sick of so-called moderates who support the illegal occupation of Iraq, support the insurance industry as they deny health care to tens of millions of Americans, support the Bush Administrations illegal surveillance of American's phone conversations, and oppose doing anything substantial to stop global warming calling us extremists. There is nothing moderate about continuing following the status quo in a country that has gotten this far off track, and they are the ones that should be compared to the far-right because they are the ones that have continually voted with the far-right on many of the most crucial issues facing this nation. There is no comparison between progressives and the far-right, but it is easy to compare those who vote with the far-right to the far-right.

There are not two extremes in this country, there is only one extreme and saying the far-left is just as bad as the far-right over and over again does not change the reality that it is the right-wing that has been working to destroy this nation.
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  -"The far-left is just as bad as the far-right." MN Against Bush  Jan-10-08 08:05 PM   #0 
  - I always thought far-far-lefties...  Bicoastal   Jan-10-08 08:07 PM   #1 
  - The folks at Counterpunch quallify for me  LittleClarkie   Jan-10-08 08:10 PM   #3 
  - so kucinich is your definition of far left???? nt  tomp   Jan-10-08 11:42 PM   #77 
  - Did they hurt your feeling because they saw things differently from you? I'm not  John Q. Citizen   Jan-11-08 12:23 PM   #127 
     - wow  themartyred   Jan-11-08 06:17 PM   #174 
  - While there are a tiny number out there who do that type of thing they are extremely rare...  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 08:11 PM   #5 
  - I think when many people think of "far left"  ihavenobias   Jan-10-08 10:21 PM   #59 
  - And "tiny number" is right.  NCevilDUer   Jan-11-08 12:51 PM   #130 
  - Those people are extremists, not the 'far left'.  Breeze54   Jan-10-08 08:14 PM   #9 
  - Exactly  DBoon   Jan-10-08 11:37 PM   #76 
  - That is exactly it in a nutshell. Thank you. n/t  sazemisery   Jan-11-08 02:10 PM   #144 
  - THANK YOU!  redqueen   Jan-11-08 01:55 PM   #137 
  - Sorry, I am not a "normal Democrat"...  FarLeftRage   Jan-11-08 06:16 PM   #173 
  - I'm not sure that Anarchists would agree.  Kutjara   Jan-10-08 08:14 PM   #10 
  - Good analysis. Gandhi was an Anarchist.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jan-10-08 08:29 PM   #27 
  - why didn't I just read what you wrote...  harmonicon   Jan-11-08 02:21 PM   #152 
  - That was a very cogent obervation  truedelphi   Jan-11-08 06:45 PM   #179 
  - I always thought that people who make those remarks are usually referring to Hitler and Stalin  rockymountaindem   Jan-10-08 08:15 PM   #12 
  - Exactly, rockymountaindem. That is precisely the frame of reference which most  pampango   Jan-11-08 06:55 AM   #94 
  - I wish that were true  Cant trust em   Jan-11-08 11:20 AM   #107 
  - Am I a far-far lefty? Please tell me if I am.  Sarah Ibarruri   Jan-10-08 08:20 PM   #18 
  - Nope, you sure aren't.  harmonicon   Jan-11-08 02:32 PM   #155 
     - That's exactly what I think, but people in the U.S. (including Democrats) call me extreme lefty  Sarah Ibarruri   Jan-11-08 07:45 PM   #189 
        - yep, that about covers it.  harmonicon   Jan-11-08 10:12 PM   #208 
  - No. You're confusing anarchy/totalitarianism with left-right.  readmoreoften   Jan-10-08 08:24 PM   #22 
  - Read a book once in a while.  superduperfarleft   Jan-10-08 10:06 PM   #51 
  - Anarchism hasn't anything to do with torching SUVs  Echo In Light   Jan-11-08 06:48 AM   #92 
  - Anarchists don't believe in violence.  yardwork   Jan-11-08 09:23 AM   #95 
  - Funny, their was a thread here about some dude's Hummer being vadalized  CRF450   Jan-11-08 12:02 PM   #119 
  - What about people who throw tea into harbors?  Bornaginhooligan   Jan-11-08 12:06 PM   #120 
  - And your argument, please?  CRF450   Jan-11-08 12:20 PM   #126 
     - I'm figuring you'd detest that sort of activity.  Bornaginhooligan   Jan-11-08 12:55 PM   #131 
  - Got a link, or should we take the word of someone who destroys our public property for their own  John Q. Citizen   Jan-11-08 12:45 PM   #128 
     - The riding illegally part pisses me off too  CRF450   Jan-11-08 12:56 PM   #132 
  - Your memes are showing  pollo poco   Jan-11-08 01:56 PM   #138 
  - Not sure anarchism lies on the traditional right-left political spectrum.  coalition_unwilling   Jan-11-08 02:14 PM   #147 
  - I suggest that  chervilant   Jan-11-08 02:14 PM   #149 
  - I think the far left may mean anarchists, but I don't even know if anarchists...  harmonicon   Jan-11-08 02:17 PM   #150 
  - What a pile of boooolcheeet  ooglymoogly   Jan-11-08 06:28 PM   #177 
  - Anarchists Are Anarchists! that Does NOT Transl;ate To Being  ChiciB1   Jan-11-08 06:38 PM   #178 
  - Perfect. I'd like to see this OP carved in stone & placed on the Mall  JeffR   Jan-10-08 08:09 PM   #2 
  - Maybe the "far left" believes in telling the truth all the time? Fancy that!  TahitiNut   Jan-10-08 08:10 PM   #4 
  - You hit the nail on the head! Thank You!  Breeze54   Jan-10-08 08:11 PM   #6 
  - I think they usually mean in terms of behavior  Naturyl   Jan-10-08 08:12 PM   #7 
  - Who is "we"?  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 08:15 PM   #11 
     - I mean behavior in the realm of political discourse  Naturyl   Jan-10-08 08:16 PM   #16 
     - In that case I would suggest you include "moderates" in the equation...  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 09:16 PM   #42 
     - Both Hillary and Obama are 'Moderates"...  bvar22   Jan-11-08 11:21 AM   #108 
     - ELF, among others. {nt}  Aya Reiko   Jan-10-08 08:21 PM   #19 
        - The ELF has never had any real influence in this country...  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 08:34 PM   #29 
        - There is nothing "left" about ALF or ELF  Lilith Velkor   Jan-10-08 08:56 PM   #36 
           - I agree, that is why I said many of them are almost certainly right-wingers  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 09:09 PM   #41 
           - Um, no.  superduperfarleft   Jan-10-08 10:07 PM   #53 
           - Different extremes attract different crazies  Lilith Velkor   Jan-10-08 10:19 PM   #58 
              - I am not denying they exist...  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 10:33 PM   #63 
           - That is a complete crock of shit.  LeftyMom   Jan-11-08 01:42 AM   #85 
           - You're welcome.  Lilith Velkor   Jan-11-08 09:26 AM   #96 
              - It must be nice to have somebody to hate so much.  LeftyMom   Jan-11-08 10:25 AM   #102 
                 - You know what's even easier than that?  Lilith Velkor   Jan-11-08 11:41 AM   #113 
           - "I've met some of those guys"  flvegan   Jan-11-08 09:42 PM   #207 
        - Did I miss the part where anybody ever got hurt in an ELF action?  LeftyMom   Jan-11-08 01:35 AM   #84 
           - The people who loose jobs or can't finish building homes aren't hurt? nt  I work for workers   Jan-11-08 10:21 AM   #100 
              - So we shouldn't boycott or protest WalMart because the blue vests might lose hours?  LeftyMom   Jan-11-08 10:23 AM   #101 
                 - You shouldn't burn Wal-Marts down.  I work for workers   Jan-11-08 10:25 AM   #103 
                    - I'm not a big fan of arson as a protest tactic myself.  LeftyMom   Jan-11-08 10:27 AM   #104 
  - Excellent! K&R, and off to the Greatest Page with ye!  Mister Ed   Jan-10-08 08:13 PM   #8 
  - I got fascists to the left of me and fascists to the right of me  Cronus Protagonist   Jan-10-08 08:15 PM   #13 
  - Well if you believe that I would suggest you read up on what fascism is...  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 08:18 PM   #17 
     - You're right, I should have said "totalitarians" or "authoritarians"  Cronus Protagonist   Jan-10-08 08:25 PM   #23 
        - Can you name me any leftist totalitiarian groups that have significant influence in the US?  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 08:37 PM   #31 
        - Can you spell PLONK?  Cronus Protagonist   Jan-10-08 08:49 PM   #34 
        - Commies to the left of me, fascists to the right...  Lilith Velkor   Jan-10-08 08:58 PM   #38 
  - The "far left" helps people. the "far right" kills people.  phiddle   Jan-10-08 08:15 PM   #14 
  - What you're discussing isn't "far left extremism"  melody   Jan-10-08 08:16 PM   #15 
  - But that is the point, there is no far-left extremism to speak of in this country  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 08:21 PM   #20 
  - Correct. There is no far left at all in the US. Kucinich is center-moderate left. /nt  readmoreoften   Jan-10-08 08:25 PM   #24 
  - Oh, I have -- one environmentalist I met wanted a "die off" of humans to preserve the earth  melody   Jan-10-08 09:42 PM   #43 
  - I have had plenty of contact with leftists, and I have never met anyone like that  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 10:04 PM   #50 
  - They manifest in different ways, but we have as many wackos as they do  melody   Jan-10-08 10:57 PM   #72 
     - "no genuine conservative who agrees with a neocon"  bvar22   Jan-11-08 12:01 PM   #118 
        - Where did I mention the DLC? What inference did you draw?  melody   Jan-11-08 03:57 PM   #163 
  - The first thing sounds like what Garrett Hardin proposes in the tragedy of the commons  Hippo_Tron   Jan-11-08 01:11 AM   #82 
     - Exactly. Some of the more extreme environmentalists sound rather Mansonsque these days  melody   Jan-11-08 02:09 AM   #86 
  - I think there was an extremist far-left movement building in the US -- before 9/11.  intheflow   Jan-10-08 10:04 PM   #49 
     - I know who you are talking about, and they are nothing like the far-right  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 10:28 PM   #60 
     - True, there are presently more far-right extremists than far-left extremists.  intheflow   Jan-10-08 11:45 PM   #78 
     - Unless you have proof of your allegations, here...  Solon   Jan-11-08 06:43 AM   #91 
     - Yes, I have.  intheflow   Jan-11-08 11:35 AM   #111 
     - It is my belief that undercover Police provacateurs  bvar22   Jan-11-08 11:42 AM   #114 
     - Not to mention the overreaction by the police, which forced more moderate unions to join the...  Solon   Jan-11-08 11:48 AM   #116 
     - vandalism or violence?  Leopolds Ghost   Jan-11-08 02:00 PM   #139 
     - That was my experience at a Portland protest of one of Cheney's visits  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-11-08 02:13 PM   #146 
     - You seem angry about store windows being broken. repudiating an entire historical movement!  Leopolds Ghost   Jan-11-08 02:03 PM   #141 
        - No, I was upset that the poster I responded to basically said that the "far left"...  Solon   Jan-11-08 09:07 PM   #204 
     - I thought the Battle for Seattle was a step forward. Why are liberals now repudiating it?  Leopolds Ghost   Jan-11-08 01:52 PM   #135 
        - I agree. My heart bleeds for the windows of Chase Manhattan. What extremists...  readmoreoften   Jan-11-08 02:08 PM   #142 
  - That's funny (not). When I went to college at the University of Missouri  coalition_unwilling   Jan-11-08 02:27 PM   #153 
     - *Please* re-read what I wrote and not what you thought I said n/t  melody   Jan-11-08 03:58 PM   #164 
  - K&R -- so-called moderates can suck my far-left nut.  jgraz   Jan-10-08 08:23 PM   #21 
  - That's what I call far left,, people who can't stand moderates  creeksneakers2   Jan-10-08 10:38 PM   #66 
  - Spoken like a true moderate.  jgraz   Jan-10-08 10:41 PM   #67 
  - I would advise you to read my journal if you think I seldom attack Republicans  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 10:48 PM   #69 
  - Speaking of poetic imagery..........  karlrschneider   Jan-11-08 11:50 AM   #117 
  - Apparently anything to the left of the DLC is considered "far left"  Kucinich4America   Jan-10-08 08:27 PM   #25 
  - That seems to be the pattern -- and it feels like it's getting worse all the time. eom  ProgressIn2008   Jan-11-08 07:07 PM   #182 
  - Sticks and Stones from moderates who plainly see that....  chknltl   Jan-10-08 08:27 PM   #26 
  - The difference is the far-far left has never been in control of media and government  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Jan-10-08 08:29 PM   #28 
  - I think the far left and far right touch at the ends. But I don't think the people depicted in  mondo joe   Jan-10-08 08:36 PM   #30 
  - In this country the people in my post are the "far-left"...  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 08:43 PM   #33 
  - They are too some dishonest or ignorant people, true.  mondo joe   Jan-10-08 08:56 PM   #37 
     - Are you calling Chomsky and Zinn ignorant?  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 09:07 PM   #40 
        - I'm calling people who those the OP described are "far left" ignorant.  mondo joe   Jan-10-08 10:29 PM   #61 
           - What makes them ignorant?  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 10:34 PM   #64 
              - What makes them ignorant is that they don't know what far left REALLY is if they think the  mondo joe   Jan-10-08 10:37 PM   #65 
                 - I am speaking of the American political spectrum...  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 10:43 PM   #68 
                    - Duh. Now go back and read our litle subthread.  mondo joe   Jan-10-08 10:55 PM   #71 
  - agree completely  dmordue   Jan-10-08 08:53 PM   #35 
  - Glad I'm not the only  guruoo   Jan-11-08 12:46 PM   #129 
  - The Difference is in how we plan to get there  NeedleCast   Jan-10-08 08:41 PM   #32 
  - I Might Agree with the General Sentiment  ribofunk   Jan-10-08 09:02 PM   #39 
  - But are we just talking about America?  otherlander   Jan-10-08 10:06 PM   #52 
     - In this case we are...  MN Against Bush   Jan-10-08 10:13 PM   #54 
  - I wish that I could rec this twice!  tnlefty   Jan-10-08 09:53 PM   #44 
  - The "left, right, center" political analogy is SO faulty. :(  Political Heretic   Jan-10-08 09:55 PM   #45 
  - Yeah, 1 dimension doesn't really work.  otherlander   Jan-10-08 10:13 PM   #55 
  - I thought the far left went much farther left than that.  madeline_con   Jan-10-08 09:57 PM   #46 
  - Excellent piece, worth recommending. Made me realize how idiotic such comments can appear  AuntPatsy   Jan-10-08 09:58 PM   #47 
  - No, but the wacky left is as wacky as the wacky right  HughMoran   Jan-10-08 10:01 PM   #48 
  - Yeah but the wacky center and their idiotic smugness is why we are where we are today. /nt  readmoreoften   Jan-11-08 02:10 PM   #143 
  - The FAR MIDDLE gave us Nixon and Bush  Kip Humphrey   Jan-10-08 10:17 PM   #56 
  - "The far middle"  sfexpat2000   Jan-10-08 10:19 PM   #57 
  - Extreme views are always  lala_rawraw   Jan-10-08 10:30 PM   #62 
  - hate to break it to you but the far left doesn't have a monopoly on these issues  dwickham   Jan-10-08 10:49 PM   #70 
  - What you described are moderates  Mithreal   Jan-11-08 12:31 AM   #80 
     - I don't like labels  dwickham   Jan-11-08 08:50 PM   #202 
        - You used the labels conservative and liberal.  Mithreal   Jan-12-08 12:03 AM   #211 
  - The far right made Bush president  DBoon   Jan-10-08 11:30 PM   #73 
  - exactly  krabigirl   Jan-11-08 09:35 AM   #97 
  - "Centrist" Democrats helped Bush*.  bvar22   Jan-11-08 11:29 AM   #110 
  - It's empirical...  nikto   Jan-10-08 11:30 PM   #74 
  - CENTRISTS got US where we are today!!!  OKthatsIT   Jan-10-08 11:35 PM   #75 
  - Both parties and the middle got us into our Banking messes  Mithreal   Jan-11-08 12:45 AM   #81 
  - The REAL "far left" in America is so small as to be statistically insignificant  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-10-08 11:48 PM   #79 
  - Well, if one is a self-described Marxist  midlife_mo_Jo   Jan-11-08 05:20 PM   #168 
     - Right, but there are no true "far leftists" among Dem elected officials  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-11-08 09:25 PM   #206 
  - really nice. k&r. reading this demonstrates what so many people  orleans   Jan-11-08 01:28 AM   #83 
  - Apparently I'm part of the far left  donheld   Jan-11-08 02:13 AM   #87 
  - Flamethrower returned to Standby.  Cobalt-60   Jan-11-08 03:05 AM   #88 
  - "Extremism in the defense of virtue is no vice."  WilliamPitt   Jan-11-08 03:21 AM   #89 
  - I will say it time after time: LEFT and RIGHT is just to divide us. The real issue  conspirator   Jan-11-08 06:19 AM   #90 
  - "America has one political party with two right wings" - Gore Vidal  Echo In Light   Jan-11-08 06:49 AM   #93 
  - Ironic  Cant trust em   Jan-11-08 11:23 AM   #109 
  - I am a proud leftiist with little use for "moderates..."  mike_c   Jan-11-08 10:04 AM   #98 
  - Exactly. Moderate left is just that much closer to the right, and that's why it's roundly encouraged  Echo In Light   Jan-11-08 10:07 AM   #99 
  - You have been dug...  stimbox   Jan-11-08 10:35 AM   #105 
  - I needed this today.  DontTreadOnMe   Jan-11-08 10:58 AM   #106 
  - No actually, RWers will tell you what you believe  IronLionZion   Jan-11-08 11:39 AM   #112 
  - Yup. The far left has never had control of even one branch of our  Sentinel Chicken   Jan-11-08 11:46 AM   #115 
  - Far left = average guy that wants secure job, 40 hours, reasonable house, good education for  rhett o rick   Jan-11-08 12:07 PM   #121 
  - this needed to be said, and you said it superbly, MN against Bush  bbgrunt   Jan-11-08 12:07 PM   #122 
  - The American People are "Far Left".  bvar22   Jan-11-08 12:10 PM   #123 
  - The question of the century:  LWolf   Jan-12-08 01:03 PM   #224 
  - all extremists make me nervous...  LanternWaste   Jan-11-08 12:15 PM   #124 
  - The positions you describe as far left aren't the AUTHORITARIAN far left  slackmaster   Jan-11-08 12:16 PM   #125 
  - That Chinese coworker sure gets around...  stimbox   Jan-11-08 01:06 PM   #133 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-11-08 01:12 PM   #134 
  - The statement by my coworker was original, I've never seen those words anywhere else  slackmaster   Jan-12-08 09:30 AM   #214 
     - Libertarians are right wing!  stimbox   Jan-12-08 10:50 AM   #217 
        - Ron Paul is very right-wing  slackmaster   Jan-13-08 01:10 PM   #225 
  - Yeah, we're not likely to have a Maoist or Stalinist uprising in the US.  readmoreoften   Jan-11-08 02:11 PM   #145 
  - Thanks for posting this, MN Against Bush  donkeyotay   Jan-11-08 01:54 PM   #136 
  - all these terms are relative  Bill McBlueState   Jan-11-08 02:02 PM   #140 
  - When I did that survey, I ended up waaaay in the lower left corner...  RoccoR5955   Jan-11-08 07:55 PM   #196 
  - There was nothing **Moderate** about supporting a war that has cost  Tom Joad   Jan-11-08 02:14 PM   #148 
  - The Far Left  GeneCosta   Jan-11-08 02:18 PM   #151 
  - "Far Left" should be defined as those who thought that the Iraq War  Tom Joad   Jan-11-08 02:31 PM   #154 
  - American political discourse covers the gamut - from conservative  klook   Jan-11-08 02:44 PM   #156 
  - There really isn't a "far, far Left" in this country.  durutti   Jan-11-08 02:54 PM   #157 
  - dupe  defendandprotect   Jan-11-08 02:57 PM   #158 
  - And in regard to the planet and survival of our species, how far "left" dare we go -- ?  defendandprotect   Jan-11-08 03:02 PM   #160 
  - Let's look at it this way, the Founders were of the far "left" --- what would you call them?  defendandprotect   Jan-11-08 02:58 PM   #159 
  - Here's what David Edelstadt ("left-libertarian") wrote in the latter part of the 19th Century:  pnorman   Jan-11-08 03:09 PM   #161 
  - Damn good post! K&R.  EOTE   Jan-11-08 03:50 PM   #162 
  - The far right and far left aren't even close in "badness"  mac2   Jan-11-08 04:04 PM   #165 
  - It's not easy being on the left in Texas  pingzing58   Jan-11-08 04:05 PM   #166 
  - Far right are much more common than far left  windoe   Jan-11-08 04:44 PM   #167 
  - Far left...  7horses   Jan-11-08 05:21 PM   #169 
  - Far left would be authoritarian socialism or communism  midlife_mo_Jo   Jan-11-08 05:30 PM   #170 
     - I don't know.  FiveGoodMen   Jan-11-08 06:02 PM   #171 
        - No, far left means the same as far right  midlife_mo_Jo   Jan-11-08 07:03 PM   #181 
           - Says who?  FiveGoodMen   Jan-11-08 07:42 PM   #188 
              - Ummm...aren't we all sharing our opinions, here?  midlife_mo_Jo   Jan-11-08 07:46 PM   #190 
                 - No, you were telling me THE definition of a phrase and I was asking who defined it.  FiveGoodMen   Jan-11-08 08:14 PM   #201 
  - look at what the people in Russia have lost.  onwardupward   Jan-11-08 06:07 PM   #172 
  - Funny, I don't know any Russians who want to go back to that system  slackmaster   Jan-11-08 06:19 PM   #175 
  - Yes, look at what the people have lost  midlife_mo_Jo   Jan-11-08 07:38 PM   #186 
  - What Gorbachev clearly wanted for the USSR,  pnorman   Jan-11-08 11:34 PM   #210 
  - Yep.  jeff30997   Jan-11-08 06:23 PM   #176 
  - Political Moderation when our Constutution & Bill of Rights is threatened IS COWARDESS!  amb123   Jan-11-08 06:49 PM   #180 
  - I always remind the wacko  femrap   Jan-11-08 07:14 PM   #183 
  - The far left is as bad as the far right, but in America it's far smaller.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jan-11-08 07:19 PM   #184 
  - Very good observation. Excellent.  midlife_mo_Jo   Jan-11-08 07:38 PM   #187 
  - Agreed ... We are the center . the far left is marginalized  proud patriot   Jan-11-08 07:54 PM   #195 
     - I think that's promoting the general welfare  midlife_mo_Jo   Jan-11-08 08:08 PM   #199 
  - Please help spread this meme  lwcon   Jan-11-08 07:31 PM   #185 
  - Example of a far-left AUTHORITARIAN idea for those who don't understand the concept  slackmaster   Jan-11-08 07:48 PM   #191 
  - Well, in all apartment buildings the  midlife_mo_Jo   Jan-11-08 07:53 PM   #194 
  - The government set a one-size-fits-none temperature and imposed it on everyone  slackmaster   Jan-11-08 07:56 PM   #197 
     - My trips were after the "wall fell,"  midlife_mo_Jo   Jan-11-08 08:03 PM   #198 
  - Actually that sounds like an example of Moderate Extremism...  Solon   Jan-11-08 09:03 PM   #203 
     - The majority of the CA legislature is all about social engineering  slackmaster   Jan-12-08 09:25 AM   #212 
        - So California is home of extreme leftists?  Solon   Jan-12-08 10:18 AM   #215 
           - Not as extreme as Cuba, but compared to the rest of the US they're pretty far left  slackmaster   Jan-12-08 10:49 AM   #216 
              - Solon wasn't comparing California to the "rest of the US".  drking81   Jan-12-08 11:02 AM   #218 
              - You would have to state a truth first...  Solon   Jan-12-08 11:06 AM   #219 
                 - No, they're at least two-dimensional - Left/Right and Authoritarian/Libertarian  slackmaster   Jan-12-08 11:44 AM   #220 
                    - So now California is Socialist?  Solon   Jan-12-08 11:52 AM   #221 
                       - That is a Straw Man  slackmaster   Jan-13-08 01:12 PM   #226 
  - yes, I agree with you.  JerseygirlCT   Jan-11-08 07:50 PM   #192 
  - Damn straight.  eib1   Jan-11-08 07:53 PM   #193 
  - different perspective on the "far left" term  km7368   Jan-11-08 08:08 PM   #200 
  - If the Far Left Was In Power, It Would Be As Bad As the Far Right  Crisco   Jan-11-08 09:08 PM   #205 
  - Socialism and communism, at least in the context of its  GeneCosta   Jan-11-08 11:28 PM   #209 
  - Right. "Socialism" has been maligned along with "liberalism"  Echo In Light   Jan-12-08 09:30 AM   #213 
     - agreed...  1awake   Jan-12-08 12:51 PM   #223 
  - They've never seen the Far Left...  Orsino   Jan-12-08 12:46 PM   #222 

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