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After careful research...the term "shuckin' and jivin'" did NOT originate in Minstrel shows...
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Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 12:55 PM by Bicoastal
...apparently it originated in the black community itself.

Nonetheless, it does mean "going through the motions," ie, being lazy on the job. And it's not an expression I've often heard used in reference to somebody who WASN'T black.

So this would probably be the equivalent of using the word "Shylock" in reference to the campaign of a Jewish candidate--not an outright slur, but rather telling...
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  -After careful research...the term "shuckin' and jivin'" did NOT originate in Minstrel shows... Bicoastal  Jan-10-08 12:48 PM   #0 
  - "Stingy" also fits Scots quite well and I've called many folks "stingy"'s not the same.  YOY   Jan-10-08 12:52 PM   #1 
  - Ok, you're right--I changed it.  Bicoastal   Jan-10-08 12:55 PM   #2 
  - You're right.  aquart   Jan-10-08 01:04 PM   #11 
  - I dinno 'bout thae  YOY   Jan-10-08 01:11 PM   #16 
  - We're not stingy.  Wilber_Stool   Jan-10-08 01:30 PM   #23 
     - No...we're stingy  YOY   Jan-10-08 01:44 PM   #25 
  - Shylock? That's Elizabethan maybe  maddiejoan   Jan-10-08 12:56 PM   #3 
  - Hmm, I found a completely different meaning...  Bicoastal   Jan-10-08 12:58 PM   #5 
     - This was my understanding of the words  maddiejoan   Jan-10-08 01:01 PM   #8 
  - I've never heard of the term Shylock, what does that mean? n/t  Uncle Joe   Jan-10-08 12:57 PM   #4 
  - ...  Romulox   Jan-10-08 01:00 PM   #6 
  - It's a Jewish Character in "Merchant of Venice"  YOY   Jan-10-08 01:01 PM   #7 
  - Usurer.  aquart   Jan-10-08 01:06 PM   #13 
     - Thanks to all, who replied to my question. n/t  Uncle Joe   Jan-10-08 01:16 PM   #18 
        - If you want to go deeper....  aquart   Jan-10-08 05:17 PM   #61 
  - Minstrel shows originated in the black community itself.  Bornaginhooligan   Jan-10-08 01:02 PM   #9 
  - First off, I think his comments WERE racist--or at least, racially charged.  Bicoastal   Jan-10-08 01:09 PM   #14 
  - That's what I'm saying.  Bornaginhooligan   Jan-10-08 01:26 PM   #21 
  - Did You Say "Hip Hop"?  LeFleur1   Jan-10-08 01:24 PM   #20 
     - Yes, why?  Bornaginhooligan   Jan-10-08 01:27 PM   #22 
  - Some southerners....  BlackVelvet04   Jan-10-08 01:04 PM   #10 
  - Hmmmm....  Bicoastal   Jan-10-08 01:05 PM   #12 
  - Not at all....  BlackVelvet04   Jan-10-08 01:11 PM   #15 
  - I was just informed by my NC Ex that this is so  LostinVA   Jan-10-08 01:49 PM   #28 
     - Who used the term that prompted the OP? n/t  BlackVelvet04   Jan-10-08 02:51 PM   #46 
        - see downthread...appearently Cuomo used it to describe Obama n/t  hiphopnation23   Jan-10-08 02:52 PM   #47 
           - Thanks.....  BlackVelvet04   Jan-10-08 03:00 PM   #51 
              - as far as a term used in the south  hiphopnation23   Jan-10-08 03:03 PM   #53 
                 - I agree with you.....  BlackVelvet04   Jan-10-08 03:07 PM   #55 
  - Shuckin refers to husking corn and the jivin just idle chatter  Didereaux   Jan-10-08 01:14 PM   #17 
  - Mmhmm.  Bornaginhooligan   Jan-10-08 01:17 PM   #19 
  - Even if it did, the white community really shouldn't use it  Cleita   Jan-10-08 01:33 PM   #24 
  - if you took 'black ;originated words, and German root words from American language , even Dubya ...  Didereaux   Jan-10-08 02:02 PM   #35 
  - is this in reference to another thread?  hiphopnation23   Jan-10-08 01:45 PM   #26 
  - Cuomo accused Obama of Shucking and Jiving.  Bornaginhooligan   Jan-10-08 01:47 PM   #27 
     - *sigh*  hiphopnation23   Jan-10-08 01:50 PM   #29 
     - Well then, how about enlightening us?  uppityperson   Jan-10-08 01:52 PM   #30 
     - on second look  hiphopnation23   Jan-10-08 01:56 PM   #32 
        - That's what I thought, upthread. What it means now depends on what is meant.  uppityperson   Jan-10-08 01:57 PM   #33 
           - yes but  hiphopnation23   Jan-10-08 02:02 PM   #34 
              - hmmmmm, are you saying then that the whites must use their own term when speaking with a ...  Didereaux   Jan-10-08 02:11 PM   #37 
                 - anyone else in this shitbird thread want to field this one?  hiphopnation23   Jan-10-08 02:13 PM   #38 
                    - just another late 20th century coined 'jive' phrase! heheh  Didereaux   Jan-10-08 02:16 PM   #40 
                    - tell ya what  hiphopnation23   Jan-10-08 02:26 PM   #42 
                       - the closest I have to a brother, and best friends for more years than either care to count...  Didereaux   Jan-10-08 02:39 PM   #44 
                          - perfect!  hiphopnation23   Jan-10-08 02:46 PM   #45 
                             - I tell you in all hinesty that both of us have used it and as a derogatory term against...  Didereaux   Jan-10-08 03:06 PM   #54 
                             - I have got to tell you a story about Jim and I that pretty much sums up things...  Didereaux   Jan-10-08 03:41 PM   #60 
                    - Certainly. You simply don't say something offensive.  blondeatlast   Jan-10-08 02:52 PM   #48 
                       - I think Cuoma made a stupid attempt at pamdering...whoa a politician pander? nahhhhhhh  Didereaux   Jan-10-08 03:11 PM   #56 
                          - Yeah, pandering to racists.  Bornaginhooligan   Jan-10-08 03:18 PM   #57 
     - Indeed.  Bornaginhooligan   Jan-10-08 01:54 PM   #31 
     - Yeesh. I like Cuomo, but yeah, that's racist--no less so than what the Golf Channel numbskull said  blondeatlast   Jan-10-08 02:19 PM   #41 
     - It's a term I've personally only heard white people  BlackVelvet04   Jan-10-08 02:53 PM   #49 
        - funny  hiphopnation23   Jan-10-08 02:55 PM   #50 
           - It's not a term I've heard used  BlackVelvet04   Jan-10-08 03:01 PM   #52 
  - According to a rather poor Wikipedia article  ismnotwasm   Jan-10-08 02:10 PM   #36 
     - look up the word shucking, then look up a description of how it was performed 2-300 yrs ago and by  Didereaux   Jan-10-08 02:15 PM   #39 
        - Oh, I don't doubt that  ismnotwasm   Jan-10-08 02:39 PM   #43 
        - you might be surprised to know that there are still blacks who use that in the same exact manner.  Didereaux   Jan-10-08 03:21 PM   #58 
        - This is true.  Bornaginhooligan   Jan-10-08 03:22 PM   #59 

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