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Thu Jan-10-08 12:48 PM
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| After careful research...the term "shuckin' and jivin'" did NOT originate in Minstrel shows... |
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Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 12:55 PM by Bicoastal
...apparently it originated in the black community itself.
Nonetheless, it does mean "going through the motions," ie, being lazy on the job. And it's not an expression I've often heard used in reference to somebody who WASN'T black.
So this would probably be the equivalent of using the word "Shylock" in reference to the campaign of a Jewish candidate--not an outright slur, but rather telling...
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| -After careful research...the term "shuckin' and jivin'" did NOT originate in Minstrel shows... |
Bicoastal |
Jan-10-08 12:48 PM |
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"Stingy" also fits Scots quite well and I've called many folks "stingy"...it's not the same. |
YOY |
Jan-10-08 12:52 PM |
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Ok, you're right--I changed it. |
Bicoastal |
Jan-10-08 12:55 PM |
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You're right. |
aquart |
Jan-10-08 01:04 PM |
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I dinno 'bout thae |
YOY |
Jan-10-08 01:11 PM |
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We're not stingy. |
Wilber_Stool |
Jan-10-08 01:30 PM |
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No...we're stingy |
YOY |
Jan-10-08 01:44 PM |
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Shylock? That's Elizabethan maybe |
maddiejoan |
Jan-10-08 12:56 PM |
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Hmm, I found a completely different meaning... |
Bicoastal |
Jan-10-08 12:58 PM |
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This was my understanding of the words |
maddiejoan |
Jan-10-08 01:01 PM |
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I've never heard of the term Shylock, what does that mean? n/t |
Uncle Joe |
Jan-10-08 12:57 PM |
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... |
Romulox |
Jan-10-08 01:00 PM |
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It's a Jewish Character in "Merchant of Venice" |
YOY |
Jan-10-08 01:01 PM |
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Usurer. |
aquart |
Jan-10-08 01:06 PM |
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Thanks to all, who replied to my question. n/t |
Uncle Joe |
Jan-10-08 01:16 PM |
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If you want to go deeper.... |
aquart |
Jan-10-08 05:17 PM |
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Minstrel shows originated in the black community itself. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jan-10-08 01:02 PM |
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First off, I think his comments WERE racist--or at least, racially charged. |
Bicoastal |
Jan-10-08 01:09 PM |
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That's what I'm saying. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jan-10-08 01:26 PM |
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Did You Say "Hip Hop"? |
LeFleur1 |
Jan-10-08 01:24 PM |
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Yes, why? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jan-10-08 01:27 PM |
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Some southerners.... |
BlackVelvet04 |
Jan-10-08 01:04 PM |
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Hmmmm.... |
Bicoastal |
Jan-10-08 01:05 PM |
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Not at all.... |
BlackVelvet04 |
Jan-10-08 01:11 PM |
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I was just informed by my NC Ex that this is so |
LostinVA |
Jan-10-08 01:49 PM |
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Who used the term that prompted the OP? n/t |
BlackVelvet04 |
Jan-10-08 02:51 PM |
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see downthread...appearently Cuomo used it to describe Obama n/t |
hiphopnation23 |
Jan-10-08 02:52 PM |
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Thanks..... |
BlackVelvet04 |
Jan-10-08 03:00 PM |
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as far as a term used in the south |
hiphopnation23 |
Jan-10-08 03:03 PM |
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I agree with you..... |
BlackVelvet04 |
Jan-10-08 03:07 PM |
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Shuckin refers to husking corn and the jivin just idle chatter |
Didereaux |
Jan-10-08 01:14 PM |
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Mmhmm. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jan-10-08 01:17 PM |
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Even if it did, the white community really shouldn't use it |
Cleita |
Jan-10-08 01:33 PM |
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if you took 'black ;originated words, and German root words from American language , even Dubya ... |
Didereaux |
Jan-10-08 02:02 PM |
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is this in reference to another thread? |
hiphopnation23 |
Jan-10-08 01:45 PM |
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Cuomo accused Obama of Shucking and Jiving. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jan-10-08 01:47 PM |
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*sigh* |
hiphopnation23 |
Jan-10-08 01:50 PM |
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Well then, how about enlightening us? |
uppityperson |
Jan-10-08 01:52 PM |
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on second look |
hiphopnation23 |
Jan-10-08 01:56 PM |
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That's what I thought, upthread. What it means now depends on what is meant. |
uppityperson |
Jan-10-08 01:57 PM |
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yes but |
hiphopnation23 |
Jan-10-08 02:02 PM |
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hmmmmm, are you saying then that the whites must use their own term when speaking with a ... |
Didereaux |
Jan-10-08 02:11 PM |
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anyone else in this shitbird thread want to field this one? |
hiphopnation23 |
Jan-10-08 02:13 PM |
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just another late 20th century coined 'jive' phrase! heheh |
Didereaux |
Jan-10-08 02:16 PM |
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tell ya what |
hiphopnation23 |
Jan-10-08 02:26 PM |
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the closest I have to a brother, and best friends for more years than either care to count... |
Didereaux |
Jan-10-08 02:39 PM |
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perfect! |
hiphopnation23 |
Jan-10-08 02:46 PM |
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I tell you in all hinesty that both of us have used it and as a derogatory term against... |
Didereaux |
Jan-10-08 03:06 PM |
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I have got to tell you a story about Jim and I that pretty much sums up things... |
Didereaux |
Jan-10-08 03:41 PM |
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Certainly. You simply don't say something offensive. |
blondeatlast |
Jan-10-08 02:52 PM |
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I think Cuoma made a stupid attempt at pamdering...whoa a politician pander? nahhhhhhh |
Didereaux |
Jan-10-08 03:11 PM |
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Yeah, pandering to racists. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jan-10-08 03:18 PM |
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Indeed. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jan-10-08 01:54 PM |
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Yeesh. I like Cuomo, but yeah, that's racist--no less so than what the Golf Channel numbskull said |
blondeatlast |
Jan-10-08 02:19 PM |
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It's a term I've personally only heard white people |
BlackVelvet04 |
Jan-10-08 02:53 PM |
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funny |
hiphopnation23 |
Jan-10-08 02:55 PM |
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It's not a term I've heard used |
BlackVelvet04 |
Jan-10-08 03:01 PM |
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According to a rather poor Wikipedia article |
ismnotwasm |
Jan-10-08 02:10 PM |
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look up the word shucking, then look up a description of how it was performed 2-300 yrs ago and by |
Didereaux |
Jan-10-08 02:15 PM |
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Oh, I don't doubt that |
ismnotwasm |
Jan-10-08 02:39 PM |
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you might be surprised to know that there are still blacks who use that in the same exact manner. |
Didereaux |
Jan-10-08 03:21 PM |
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This is true. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jan-10-08 03:22 PM |
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