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A John Edwards Surge? (Huffington Post)
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A John Edwards Surge?
By Ian Welsh--Huffington Post
Tuesday, January 8, 2008

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So noted Glenn Greenwald yesterday noting a Rasmussen daily tracking poll showing Edwards up about 6% nationally while Clinton drops and Obama stays about evenly nationally.

I confess that my own take was that if Edwards didn't win Iowa his chances were very slim. These numbers seem to indicate otherwise. Admittedly, it's quite clear that NH will probably go heavily Obama, and the historical pattern has been for that to translate into a further bump in the early states.

However, if I were Edwards and I was tracking similiar numbers to these, I simply would not drop out based on the early states, especially if the trend continues. And, while Clinton's numbers are clearly dropping (and, as Glenn notes, they are transfering to Edwards, not Obama) at this point, if I were her, I'd be worried, but not yet panicking.

It ain't over yet. Obama's got the momentum, but he needs to start moving those national numbers or he's going to hit a brick wall.

I find this very interesting because of the lack of coverage that Edwards has received in the media. He shouldn't be getting this surge, it just shouldn't be happening. That means that something about him and his message is getting through.

Perhaps it has something to do with the tired phrase "change", which this election is supposedly about.

Earlier today I read an article by Ari Berman at The Nation. In it Ari goes over the Clinton and Obama foreign policy teams in detail - 4 long pages. Edwards foreign policy gets one slightly dismissive paragraph:

The top Democrat who puts the least emphasis on foreign affairs and has the fewest number of advisers, John Edwards, has paradoxically said some of the most interesting things during the campaign. Edwards has called the "war on terror" a "bumper sticker, not a plan," and has opposed enlarging the Army, citing the "little rationale given for exactly why we need this many troops." Days before the Iowa caucuses, he more sharply distinguished his position on Iraq from those of Clinton and Obama by calling for a near-total pullout of US forces within ten months. However, in foreign policy circles Edwards's knowledge of world affairs is considered thin, and on the stump he's far more passionate about domestic issues like poverty and trade. His main foreign policy adviser, Mike Signer, was an aide to former Virginia Governor Mark Warner, and his longtime national security adviser in the Senate, Derek Chollet, is a Holbrooke protege and a fellow at the Center for New American Security, a centrist think tank working to align Democrats closer to the military. Both are relatively hawkish; Signer wrote an essay in 2006 calling for a doctrine of "exemplarism," which he labeled "a militarily strong and morally ambitious version of American exceptionalism."


Remarkable. Just remarkable - John Edwards gets one paragraph, even though Ari admits that the differences between his foreign policy and that of Clinton and Obama is much greater than that between Clinton's and Obama's. And the reason is probably that he doesn't have a huge board of "experts" to foist the Beltway's conventional wisdom on him.

Forget dueling foreing policy establishments, Edwards basic frame is far more progressive and forward looking than Obama's or Clinton's. He doesn't believe in a "war on terror" and he doesn't want to add 92,000 new troops.

As noted, Obama and Clinton get more time in the piece, and the guy who wants to stop the insanity isn't taken seriously. The US spends over 50% of the world's military budget and is losing two wars to rabble, yet Obama and Clinton think it should raise more troops? Does "good money after bad" mean nothing to these folks?
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The US's foreign policy establishment is deeply sick from end to end. The Neocons are only the most gangenous extremity.

And John Edwards is the only one of the three proposing anything really different. The only one really proposing "change". Lord knows he's not perfect (the Agonist attacked his "all options" statement with regards to Iran) but saying the war on terror is counterproductive was the equivalent of saying "the emperor has no clothes".
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Because it's time to end the War on "Terror" and it's time to stop pandering to the military industrial complex. And of the big 3 Democratic candidates, only Edwards has the eyes to see this and the guts to say it. Of the Big 3, on foreign policy, only Edwards is for "change".

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  -A John Edwards Surge? (Huffington Post) JohnLocke  Jan-08-08 11:25 AM   #0 
  - K&R!  smokey nj   Jan-08-08 11:27 AM   #1 
  - I think John Edwards could do a good job as President  bambino   Jan-08-08 11:30 AM   #2 
  - An Edwards/Obama ticket would be unbeatable  minnesota_liberal   Jan-08-08 09:39 PM   #36 
  - I heard him speak about foreign affairs  demnan   Jan-08-08 11:34 AM   #3 
  - Remember, it is CRUCIAL to donate all that you can to help him keep building momentum!  debbierlus   Jan-08-08 11:40 AM   #5 
     - I have donated to Edwards  demnan   Jan-08-08 11:43 AM   #9 
  - After Bhutto was killed ...  weeve   Jan-08-08 11:40 AM   #4 
  - Hang in there, John!  frogmarch   Jan-08-08 11:41 AM   #6 
  - K and R... ONLY Time Will Show Who's Got The "RIGHT STUFF!" Give it some time kids!  DaLittle Kitty   Jan-08-08 11:47 AM   #10 
  - Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way  alllyingwhores   Jan-08-08 09:54 PM   #37 
  - Just Surf It Johnny... We're W/ Ya! He'll F Up in the next debate... Truth WILL Eventually  DaLittle Kitty   Jan-08-08 11:52 AM   #11 
  - to keep the momentum nationally he has to do better than expected in NH today  book_worm   Jan-08-08 11:41 AM   #7 
  - In it for the WIN!  Blue State Native   Jan-08-08 11:42 AM   #8 
  - Stay'n in fer the Distance! John Edwards IS MORE than Mere Fluff Like Obameister!  DaLittle Kitty   Jan-08-08 11:54 AM   #12 
     - You know it!  Blue State Native   Jan-08-08 01:19 PM   #19 
  - MSM trying to manipulate polls and news coverage  OzarkDem   Jan-08-08 11:55 AM   #13 
  - Yer ABsolutely Correct... That's what it IS ALL 'Bout! Stop Edwards @ ALL Costs!  DaLittle Kitty   Jan-08-08 11:59 AM   #15 
  - I think this has been noted by elites and those encouraging  OHdem10   Jan-08-08 11:58 AM   #14 
  - We can't believe our elections, we know polls can be rigged, but we believe all this primary stuff?  defendandprotect   Jan-08-08 07:35 PM   #26 
  - Go, Johnny, Go!!!!  AzDar   Jan-08-08 12:11 PM   #16 
  - kick. nt  onehandle   Jan-08-08 01:17 PM   #17 
  - K&R!!!  smokey nj   Jan-08-08 01:18 PM   #18 
  - I'll stick by Edwards all the way to the WH!!  jannyk   Jan-08-08 01:21 PM   #20 
  - K & R  balantz   Jan-08-08 01:24 PM   #21 
  - I think his superior performance in Saturday's debate accounts for some of the surge  Time for change   Jan-08-08 03:19 PM   #22 
  - Kicking for Glenn Greenwald  XOKCowboy   Jan-08-08 04:35 PM   #23 
  - I'd say votes would move equally to both Edwards and Obama really.  cooolandrew   Jan-08-08 06:49 PM   #24 
  - Kick for John! nt  Dem_4_Life   Jan-08-08 06:59 PM   #25 
  - GO EDWARDS..... BUT REMEMBER----  happygoluckytoyou   Jan-08-08 07:44 PM   #27 
  - The thing I dont like about Edawrds is that  7 of 11   Jan-08-08 07:59 PM   #28 
  - Med mal reform hasn't reduced costs, though  OzarkDem   Jan-08-08 08:02 PM   #29 
  - There is an insurance ceo that makes 1.7 billion dollars a year.  King Coal   Jan-08-08 08:25 PM   #30 
  - I believe that doctors are just  7 of 11   Jan-08-08 08:34 PM   #31 
     - Just socialize it. Then you could have leverage to make the damage lawsuits  King Coal   Jan-08-08 09:10 PM   #32 
        - HAve you triend to renew a Drivers License of get a passport recently?  7 of 11   Jan-08-08 09:14 PM   #33 
           - Welcome to DU!  Laelth   Jan-08-08 09:32 PM   #35 
           - I've never seen any problems with renewing a drivers license or getting a passport.  drm604   Jan-08-08 10:03 PM   #38 
           - Have you ever reported a fire, called for a policeman, or called 911?  King Coal   Jan-08-08 10:34 PM   #40 
           - We can go round and round with analogies forever,  7 of 11   Jan-09-08 01:09 AM   #44 
              - Examples are different from analogies.  King Coal   Jan-10-08 08:08 PM   #64 
           - Welcome to DU 7 by 11  supernova   Jan-09-08 09:03 AM   #53 
  - He was suing profiteering hospitals and Drs groups defending the poor from malpractice.  bjobotts   Jan-08-08 11:34 PM   #42 
  - It's not hypocrisy ...  BearSquirrel2   Jan-09-08 09:53 AM   #56 
  - Hear, hear! n/t  Laelth   Jan-08-08 09:28 PM   #34 
  - If Edwards isn't on the ticket  AnnieBW   Jan-08-08 10:16 PM   #39 
  - So glad others are noting the difference. Kucinich &Edwards are the only real change  bjobotts   Jan-08-08 11:15 PM   #41 
  - So glad others are noting the difference. Kucinich &Edwards are the only real change  wpdanny   Jan-09-08 09:22 AM   #54 
  - "That means that something about him and his message is getting through"  troubleinwinter   Jan-09-08 12:03 AM   #43 
  - Maybe Welsh knows that 42% of DU'ers favor Edwards,  Seabiscuit   Jan-09-08 01:16 AM   #45 
  - So much for that thought.  Aya Reiko   Jan-09-08 03:55 AM   #46 
  - 2nd day of a primary that takes months, and the underdog, expected to disappear....  Sarah Ibarruri   Jan-09-08 06:11 AM   #47 
  - Gaining voters?  cali   Jan-09-08 07:02 AM   #48 
  - In DU he is in the majority. His numbers have increased within days of the beginning...  Sarah Ibarruri   Jan-09-08 06:25 PM   #63 
  - Months????  robcon   Jan-09-08 08:00 AM   #51 
     - I thought you were going to say it was already over, with how excited you got! LOL!  Sarah Ibarruri   Jan-09-08 06:22 PM   #62 
  - thank you, thank you, thank you Huffington Post n/t  MrsBrady   Jan-09-08 07:54 AM   #49 
  - He's the progressive agains two conservatives.  ozone_man   Jan-09-08 07:59 AM   #50 
  - At least he had the decency to admit he was wrong about the war.  wpdanny   Jan-09-08 09:26 AM   #55 
     - Edwards also had the decency to admit that Obama was right about Iraq  Apollo11   Jan-09-08 10:18 AM   #57 
  - This would make sense if Obama had said nothing about foreign policy.  Apollo11   Jan-09-08 08:57 AM   #52 
  - I think domestic issues and the economy will be most important  flasoapbox   Jan-09-08 10:36 AM   #59 
  - Edwards supporters don't like to contemplate him dropping out, but ...  cloudythescribbler   Jan-09-08 10:34 AM   #58 
     - Sorry your statements about over-estimating anybody does not  mother earth   Jan-09-08 11:01 AM   #60 
     - Edwards is more powerful than eitehr Clinton or Obama.  7 of 11   Jan-09-08 05:43 PM   #61 
 

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