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147. OK I agree with
banning cigarettes --yes outright elimination of the cigarette industry. There is no benefit to health or justification for the deaths caused by cigarettes. There is no amount of smoking that is not harmful. The more you smoke, the more you want to smoke. It is as addictive as heroin.

The rest of the things on your grab-bag list can be done in moderation, with a little self-discipline. Use of aspartame can also be limited to a low dose, but people usually overdo it on that. The nutrasweet sodas are just expensive chemical-water. If you want to pay for that, OK, it's not addictive. But the jury is out on the health effects. There are a lot of guinea pigs out there now drinking the stuff, so the definitive word on it will emerge someday. The people I know in health care do not ingest aspartame.

While we don't mandate sunglasses, we do mandate seatbelts and helmets, and in Australia it is required that children wear hats at school because of the loss of the ozone layer there. Governments have a responsibility to protect people against known environmental dangers. A govt that really cares about its citizens does that. I don't think anyone thinks there should be big penalties for non-compliance. But people only take it seriously if there's a strong message that something is not good for you.
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  -Do you think Aspartame is any worse for you than sugar? Quixote1818  Feb-21-07 06:39 PM   #0 
  - It contributes to depression.  graywarrior   Feb-21-07 06:40 PM   #1 
  - and causes headaches . eom  votesomemore   Feb-21-07 06:43 PM   #4 
  - I listen to this Dr talk about Aspartame...  Rainscents   Feb-22-07 08:28 PM   #110 
     - "they're all overweight"? don't think so!  pitohui   Feb-22-07 10:01 PM   #137 
        - I don't believe ALL of them gain weight...  Rainscents   Feb-22-07 11:50 PM   #143 
  - It may not kill you, but I think it's harmful.  Jackpine Radical   Feb-21-07 06:41 PM   #2 
  - My doctor,  ayeshahaqqiqa   Feb-21-07 07:14 PM   #30 
     - When some people drink diet pop it leads to justyifying eating more  rosebud57   Feb-21-07 07:25 PM   #33 
     - I think that's correct.  Jackpine Radical   Feb-21-07 07:30 PM   #37 
     - I lost 17 lbs after switching to diet coke  Quixote1818   Feb-21-07 09:49 PM   #76 
  - gives me major headaches  uppityperson   Feb-21-07 06:43 PM   #3 
  - It is not permitted in Europe . . .  boobooday   Feb-21-07 06:44 PM   #5 
  - I haven't heard anything bad about Splenda yet.  Quixote1818   Feb-21-07 06:48 PM   #11 
  - From what I understand, it's made from sugar  boobooday   Feb-21-07 08:14 PM   #52 
  - IIRC there are hysterical nuts ranting and raving about Splenda, too.  kestrel91316   Feb-22-07 01:30 PM   #93 
  - What isn't? Sugar?  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-21-07 06:48 PM   #12 
  - Huh? Where'd you get that idea? Here's a chart of ingredients for Coke Zero in other countries:  moc   Feb-21-07 06:52 PM   #18 
  - And: European Food Safety Authority assesses new aspartame study and reconfirms its safety  muriel_volestrangler   Feb-21-07 06:59 PM   #22 
  - Thanks for posting this!!!! nt  Quixote1818   Feb-21-07 08:21 PM   #57 
  - Well shit, I read it somewhere  boobooday   Feb-21-07 08:15 PM   #54 
  - It's perfectly safe and legal in Europe  cgrindley   Feb-22-07 05:32 PM   #105 
  - There's absolutely nothing wrong with it. I've been taking it for years...  BlueJazz   Feb-21-07 06:45 PM   #6 
  - Sugar is worse for you than aspartame.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-21-07 06:45 PM   #7 
  - Excuse me but sugar does not cause diabetes.  ginnyinWI   Feb-21-07 06:59 PM   #24 
  - I didn't say the only cause of diabetes was sugar...  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-21-07 07:01 PM   #26 
  - Oh, but those are all perfectly ok. But aspartame MIGHT contribute to  kestrel91316   Feb-22-07 01:31 PM   #94 
  - It's an amino acid  Madspirit   Feb-21-07 06:46 PM   #8 
  - Well, technically...  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-21-07 06:46 PM   #9 
     - Ack! Running screaming into the woods.....  moc   Feb-21-07 06:53 PM   #20 
  - Almost every scientific regulartory body has found it safe for consumption as far as I've read..  Evoman   Feb-21-07 06:47 PM   #10 
  - There's always snopes.  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-21-07 06:49 PM   #14 
  - When I switched from Coke to Diet Coke I did the same research you did  Quixote1818   Feb-21-07 06:50 PM   #17 
  - does the amount matter? one packet a day is dangerous?  Sapere aude   Feb-21-07 06:48 PM   #13 
  - the amount does matter  jeme   Feb-22-07 11:43 PM   #142 
  - Hubby has diabetes  kineneb   Feb-21-07 06:49 PM   #15 
  - Agreed  ayeshahaqqiqa   Feb-21-07 07:17 PM   #31 
     - other problems  kineneb   Feb-22-07 12:30 PM   #80 
  - Ditto on the headaches  Mojorabbit   Feb-21-07 06:49 PM   #16 
  - I would argue safer  gravity   Feb-21-07 06:53 PM   #19 
  - the best thing about aspartame is, if you drop a can of coke in the lake  ikhor   Feb-21-07 06:56 PM   #21 
  - You could try it in the bathtub.  cui bono   Feb-21-07 07:02 PM   #27 
  - It's true the huge amount of sugar displaces liquid in a nondiet pop  rosebud57   Feb-21-07 07:26 PM   #34 
  - I tend to assume all artificial sweeteners are bad for you.  cui bono   Feb-21-07 06:59 PM   #23 
  - gives me headaches and nausea  Qanisqineq   Feb-21-07 07:00 PM   #25 
  - No, but more because of sugar's proven link to diabetes  muriel_volestrangler   Feb-21-07 07:03 PM   #28 
  - I believe what my doctor says  ayeshahaqqiqa   Feb-21-07 07:12 PM   #29 
  - And my mothers doctor, who also teaches in a hospital, said it was okay.  Evoman   Feb-21-07 07:34 PM   #38 
     - Then I think we can say that the medical community is split  ayeshahaqqiqa   Feb-21-07 07:51 PM   #42 
        - I heard that about Rummy too  Raine   Feb-21-07 07:56 PM   #45 
  - I don't know  Conan_The_Barbarian   Feb-21-07 07:20 PM   #32 
  - I get migraine headaches from  ikojo   Feb-21-07 07:29 PM   #35 
  - Bet you can't guess who was head of the corporation that got it approved.  KamaAina   Feb-21-07 07:30 PM   #36 
  - But it's approved all over the world  Quixote1818   Feb-21-07 07:36 PM   #39 
     - Ah, but guess who's in charge of the Tri-lateral commission?!  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-21-07 07:37 PM   #40 
  - I voted other.  bbinacan   Feb-21-07 07:40 PM   #41 
  - Aspartame is far  Bryn   Feb-21-07 07:52 PM   #43 
  - Rummy the dummy had something  Raine   Feb-21-07 07:54 PM   #44 
  - You said it! RUMSFELD was CEO of Searle in 1981  Duppers   Feb-21-07 08:13 PM   #51 
     - That was what did it for me and Aspartame!  DemBones DemBones   Feb-22-07 10:09 PM   #140 
  - I know I can't eat it -- makes me sick nt  JerseygirlCT   Feb-21-07 07:57 PM   #46 
  - I'll err against the side of obesity  Truth Hurts A Lot   Feb-21-07 08:05 PM   #47 
  - Make the switch...  arikara   Feb-22-07 10:20 PM   #141 
  - Other, they are both detrimental to your health.  greyhound1966   Feb-21-07 08:06 PM   # 
  - LOL - the "yes" answer doesn't mention Aspartame  HughMoran   Feb-21-07 08:06 PM   #48 
  - I have never heard of one single documented case of cancer or other  karlrschneider   Feb-21-07 08:07 PM   #49 
  - Sugar is natural. Artificial substitutes can cause problems...  AX10   Feb-21-07 08:11 PM   #50 
  - Opium's natural too.  Lex   Feb-21-07 08:14 PM   #53 
  - Give it a break. I never said that everything that is natural...  AX10   Feb-21-07 08:15 PM   #55 
  - And, I never said you said that.  Lex   Feb-21-07 08:16 PM   #56 
     - Hmmmm  GodHelpUsAll2   Feb-21-07 08:33 PM   #58 
        - Don't bother to set your alarm tonight...  karlrschneider   Feb-21-07 08:46 PM   #60 
           - Good idea  GodHelpUsAll2   Feb-21-07 08:52 PM   #63 
              - By the way, there seems to be a revival of the "marijuana will kill you" theme.  karlrschneider   Feb-21-07 09:02 PM   #66 
                 - Well  GodHelpUsAll2   Feb-21-07 09:18 PM   #70 
                    - HAHA...I'm convinced. You aren't nuts...I can't stand brussels sprouts either  karlrschneider   Feb-21-07 09:41 PM   #74 
  - Alcohol is natural, as well.  karlrschneider   Feb-21-07 08:49 PM   #62 
  - Uh, sugar has no nutrients. It's pure 100% carbohydrate.  karlrschneider   Feb-21-07 08:48 PM   #61 
     - Um, carbohydrates are nutrients.  kestrel91316   Feb-22-07 01:36 PM   #95 
        - Okay, that's technically correct...I meant to say sugar is just empty calories  karlrschneider   Feb-22-07 03:22 PM   #102 
  - Here's an interesting article  ChoralScholar   Feb-21-07 08:41 PM   #59 
  - Hmmm  qanda   Feb-22-07 06:00 AM   #79 
  - aspartame makes me deathly ill, sugar does not.  niyad   Feb-21-07 08:52 PM   #64 
  - Define  GodHelpUsAll2   Feb-21-07 08:53 PM   #65 
  - heart palpitations, throat closing up, blood pressure skyrockets, trouble breathing  niyad   Feb-21-07 09:12 PM   #68 
     - It does  GodHelpUsAll2   Feb-21-07 09:22 PM   #71 
  - So don't eat it. Peanuts kill some people too, shall we ban them as well?  karlrschneider   Feb-21-07 09:43 PM   #75 
  - Yer either with Aspartame or yer agin' it!  Swamp Rat   Feb-21-07 09:06 PM   #67 
  - Two letters- M.S.  fudge stripe cookays   Feb-21-07 09:15 PM   #69 
  - But MS pre-dates Equal, doesn't it?  Lex   Feb-21-07 09:39 PM   #73 
     - It does, but I still think it had something to do with mine,  fudge stripe cookays   Feb-22-07 05:28 AM   #77 
        - awesome link  Saint Etienne17   Feb-22-07 09:10 PM   #122 
  - not if you have diabetis...  flaminbats   Feb-21-07 09:31 PM   #72 
  - understood  kineneb   Feb-22-07 12:32 PM   #81 
  - I can't even have a taste of the stuff without getting a major headache  qanda   Feb-22-07 05:53 AM   #78 
  - I don't care.  LifeDuringWartime   Feb-22-07 12:39 PM   #82 
  - Headache here too. Not always properly disclosed ... just like MSG n/t  Blackhatjack   Feb-22-07 12:41 PM   #83 
  - It's not the sugar, it's the high fructose corn syrup  Paula Sims   Feb-22-07 12:42 PM   #84 
  - I agree - HFCS is EVERYWHERE  SheWhoMustBeObeyed   Feb-22-07 02:13 PM   #100 
  - I don't know, but I hate the taste.  Bridget Burke   Feb-22-07 12:46 PM   #85 
  - Yes, it's bad, and Splenda has chlorine in it, which is poisonous.  Perragrande   Feb-22-07 12:54 PM   #86 
  - The presence of chloride ions in a chemical is not the same as the  kestrel91316   Feb-22-07 01:40 PM   #96 
  - Damn right I do!  StephenB48   Feb-22-07 01:03 PM   #87 
  - I just wish they had honest to god CANE SUGAR instead of high fructose corn syrup  davepc   Feb-22-07 01:06 PM   #88 
  - Amen to that! Both on the real cane sugar  DemBones DemBones   Feb-22-07 09:53 PM   #135 
  - I wanted to answer the poll, who uses sugar anymore  donheld   Feb-23-07 12:46 AM   #144 
  - aspartame is bad for you in larger continous quantities  bambino   Feb-22-07 01:07 PM   #89 
  - In my completely unscientific opinion ...  Akoto   Feb-22-07 01:13 PM   #90 
  - I thought this was a good article on problems of aspartame....  marions ghost   Feb-22-07 01:14 PM   #91 
  - why?  flaminbats   Feb-22-07 01:40 PM   #97 
     - you might want to get a second opinion  marions ghost   Feb-22-07 05:05 PM   #103 
        - I have..  flaminbats   Feb-22-07 07:26 PM   #106 
  - I've used it almost daily for nearly 30 years, since it came out.  kestrel91316   Feb-22-07 01:27 PM   #92 
  - How anyone who knows the history of Aspartame's FDA approval...  Junkdrawer   Feb-22-07 02:02 PM   #98 
  - maybe those people are just plain arrogant!!!  flaminbats   Feb-22-07 02:13 PM   #99 
     - Go for it...Bottoms Up.. n/t  Junkdrawer   Feb-22-07 02:16 PM   #101 
  - It's harmless read SNOPES  cgrindley   Feb-22-07 05:30 PM   #104 
  - Thanks for posting that. nt  Quixote1818   Feb-22-07 07:38 PM   #107 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-22-07 07:39 PM   #108 
  - Much, Much, Much Worse  demrabble   Feb-22-07 08:21 PM   #109 
  - time to ban the microwaves..  flaminbats   Feb-22-07 08:39 PM   #112 
     - Dissent  jerryme1   Feb-22-07 09:35 PM   #130 
     - OK I agree with  marions ghost   Feb-23-07 07:35 AM   #147 
  - NYT: Rising Incidence of Brain Tumors Is Drawing Attention and Concern...  Junkdrawer   Feb-22-07 08:34 PM   #111 
  - Sorry, this data is from years before Aspartame had been on the market.  Quixote1818   Feb-22-07 08:39 PM   #113 
     - Reagan's FDA approved aspartame in 1981...for soda in 1983...  Junkdrawer   Feb-22-07 08:44 PM   #114 
        - Whoops, you are correct  Quixote1818   Feb-22-07 08:49 PM   #115 
           - From your OWN cite...  Junkdrawer   Feb-22-07 08:54 PM   #116 
              - so what else should be banned?  flaminbats   Feb-22-07 08:57 PM   #117 
              - We should lock up people who inject industrial silicone into their clients' faces and bodies.  oblivious   Feb-22-07 09:03 PM   #119 
              - what about those who pay to have this injected?  flaminbats   Feb-22-07 09:08 PM   #121 
              - I think it safe to say they have suffered enough.  oblivious   Feb-22-07 09:11 PM   #124 
                 - then who would we lock up and why?  flaminbats   Feb-22-07 09:14 PM   #127 
              - Silicon is safe  Quixote1818   Feb-22-07 09:13 PM   #126 
                 - This is what I'm talking about.  oblivious   Feb-22-07 09:37 PM   #131 
              - The original FDA vote was 3 to 2 AGAINST its approval....  Junkdrawer   Feb-22-07 09:07 PM   #120 
                 - no I agree...  flaminbats   Feb-22-07 09:10 PM   #123 
                 - So then why did Canada and most other countries approve it?  Quixote1818   Feb-22-07 09:29 PM   #128 
              - My mistake but your article is still not relevant  Quixote1818   Feb-22-07 09:03 PM   #118 
  - Some folks...  sendero   Feb-22-07 09:13 PM   #125 
  - Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.  GoneOffShore   Feb-22-07 09:32 PM   #129 
  - actually my great-grandmother never threw away food..  flaminbats   Feb-22-07 09:43 PM   #134 
  - Don't care, it doesn't have calories  RGBolen   Feb-22-07 09:40 PM   #132 
  - True, but people are fatter since diet drinks and diet foods came on the  DemBones DemBones   Feb-22-07 10:02 PM   #138 
  - of course it's worse than sugar...unless you mean REFINED sugar.  QuestionAll   Feb-22-07 09:42 PM   #133 
  - i voted "i don't know" but i don't drink it any more  pitohui   Feb-22-07 09:58 PM   #136 
  - Wine is good for you, as is water.  DemBones DemBones   Feb-22-07 10:06 PM   #139 
  - I think that anything is bad, in excess.  Spider Jerusalem   Feb-23-07 12:50 AM   #145 
  - SUGAR BLUES. Get it. Read it.  leftstreet   Feb-23-07 12:56 AM   #146 
  - Excellent recommendation!  Lurking Dem   Feb-23-07 08:16 AM   #149 
  - The only problem I know with it is that it can make you hungry for sweets.  Odin2005   Feb-23-07 07:54 AM   #148 
  - Other..  chefgirl   Feb-23-07 08:21 AM   #150 
  - It depends. I think some people are sensitive to it and some aren't.  noonwitch   Feb-23-07 08:43 AM   #151 

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