jobycom
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Wed Feb-21-07 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #22 |
| 31. Thanks. Little connection between the article and the study. |
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The study says that only 42 urine samples were obtained, and only 34 blood samples, and this was for one emergency clinic in one region in England.
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| -Women drunk, not "spiked"? |
JoseNarof |
Feb-21-07 10:43 AM |
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All it takes is one urination and those drugs are gone |
Mandate My Ass |
Feb-21-07 10:46 AM |
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Really?! That I didn't know. |
JoseNarof |
Feb-21-07 10:47 AM |
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Well, I don't think it's blame the victim unless you make the connection... |
SteppingRazor |
Feb-21-07 10:49 AM |
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Yeah, I thought that too. |
Bunny |
Feb-21-07 10:50 AM |
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The EMJ is a reputable journal. |
Lance_Boyle |
Feb-21-07 10:47 AM |
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1 study, 75 women |
JoseNarof |
Feb-21-07 10:49 AM |
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Actually, that's plenty for a scientific study. NT. |
TheWraith |
Feb-21-07 10:51 AM |
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You'd better write the journal |
Lance_Boyle |
Feb-21-07 10:52 AM |
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Do you see rape minimization a lot? Like in the study cited? Really? |
GOTV |
Feb-21-07 11:25 AM |
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I see too many women getting raped |
JoseNarof |
Feb-21-07 11:34 AM |
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That's a different issue and not what I asked. n/t |
GOTV |
Feb-21-07 11:37 AM |
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I work in a hospital and met an MD who wrote a chapter for a textbook |
Mandate My Ass |
Feb-21-07 10:50 AM |
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More of an expert than the study authors? |
Lance_Boyle |
Feb-21-07 10:57 AM |
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she works in the ER on a major university campus where date rape |
Mandate My Ass |
Feb-21-07 11:08 AM |
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Rape is rape |
Warpy |
Feb-21-07 11:03 AM |
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That's bollocks, in several ways |
muriel_volestrangler |
Feb-21-07 11:36 AM |
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Majority of subjects were tested between 10pm and 3am... |
GOTV |
Feb-21-07 11:40 AM |
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Why do you call bullshit? |
asthmaticeog |
Feb-21-07 10:49 AM |
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See post #5 n/t |
JoseNarof |
Feb-21-07 10:49 AM |
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So who's trying to minimize rape? |
asthmaticeog |
Feb-21-07 10:52 AM |
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The article can be used against rape victims |
JoseNarof |
Feb-21-07 10:59 AM |
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You'd suppress the results of a scientific study that competes with your politics, then? |
asthmaticeog |
Feb-21-07 11:01 AM |
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Balance, my friend, balance. n/t |
JoseNarof |
Feb-21-07 11:11 AM |
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One could say the same to you. |
asthmaticeog |
Feb-21-07 11:18 AM |
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Well, thanks, I think |
JoseNarof |
Feb-21-07 11:28 AM |
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I say no to balance. I want 100% truth no matter who it hurts... |
GOTV |
Feb-21-07 11:36 AM |
#49 |
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By not including other info |
JoseNarof |
Feb-21-07 11:46 AM |
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What other info should have been included? n/t |
GOTV |
Feb-21-07 11:51 AM |
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Well, geeeee |
JoseNarof |
Feb-21-07 11:55 AM |
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Well, see, that would be irrelevant to the goal of the study.... |
GOTV |
Feb-21-07 12:05 PM |
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Drink spiking is far from a "mythical" problem |
mongo |
Feb-21-07 11:19 AM |
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And as evidence you cite a friend-of-a-friend story. |
asthmaticeog |
Feb-21-07 11:34 AM |
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It's not entirely urban myth. My husband was dosed. |
Dora |
Feb-21-07 11:23 AM |
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And the moral? |
Dora |
Feb-21-07 11:28 AM |
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Drunk or Drugged someone is raping them while they sleep. |
izzybeans |
Feb-21-07 10:53 AM |
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Yes - the language I don't like in the article is |
gollygee |
Feb-21-07 10:55 AM |
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I need to read it again, but is that the summary quote or the study authors'? |
izzybeans |
Feb-21-07 10:56 AM |
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They are shifting the blame for feeling as though you've been drugged from the drugs to the alcohol |
GOTV |
Feb-21-07 12:09 PM |
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The article doesn't say they were victims of rape, though. |
asthmaticeog |
Feb-21-07 10:58 AM |
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If they went to the emergency room and said they thought their drinks |
gollygee |
Feb-21-07 11:15 AM |
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Thank you. |
asthmaticeog |
Feb-21-07 11:25 AM |
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Thank you! This is a progressive site |
JoseNarof |
Feb-21-07 11:00 AM |
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There is no mention of rape in the study. |
jobycom |
Feb-21-07 11:19 AM |
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Would you please see #26? |
gollygee |
Feb-21-07 11:22 AM |
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I saw 26. Would you please read the study? There is no mention of rape |
jobycom |
Feb-21-07 11:33 AM |
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How do you know the emergency room patients weren't reporting rape? |
gollygee |
Feb-21-07 11:40 AM |
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That has nothing to do with the survey or its conclusions. |
jobycom |
Feb-21-07 11:44 AM |
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Some of them were probably raped, some of them probably were not. What's the mix? |
GOTV |
Feb-21-07 11:50 AM |
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True, but they were interested in claims of being spiked with known date-rape drugs |
izzybeans |
Feb-21-07 11:27 AM |
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My point is that the study's purpose was not to investigate rape. |
jobycom |
Feb-21-07 11:41 AM |
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I think we agree. |
izzybeans |
Feb-21-07 12:02 PM |
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The article does not specify if any subject was actually raped... |
GOTV |
Feb-21-07 11:44 AM |
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75 over a year, plus the article contradicts the study. |
jobycom |
Feb-21-07 11:02 AM |
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Here is the study itself |
izzybeans |
Feb-21-07 11:05 AM |
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Thanks. Little connection between the article and the study. |
jobycom |
Feb-21-07 11:21 AM |
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Yeah it leaves a lot to be desired IMO. I'm not sure how to justify any claim with |
izzybeans |
Feb-21-07 11:29 AM |
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The objective of the study was to examine a local problem... |
GOTV |
Feb-21-07 11:46 AM |
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Exactly, but even so, it's flawed. |
jobycom |
Feb-21-07 11:53 AM |
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Probably a consession to the difficulty of finding subjects... |
GOTV |
Feb-21-07 12:00 PM |
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True, the flaws were more in the limits of the survey, not the mistakes |
jobycom |
Feb-21-07 12:02 PM |
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Right. The study is not flawed. It's just not generalizable because of the limitations. |
Gormy Cuss |
Feb-21-07 11:53 AM |
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"grand conclusions on broader issues." |
jobycom |
Feb-21-07 11:56 AM |
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Watch it, buster. I have a pitchfork and I'm not afraid to use it. |
Gormy Cuss |
Feb-21-07 12:01 PM |
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Or, another explanation, |
NCevilDUer |
Feb-21-07 11:25 AM |
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Perhaps, but their really is nothing to say one way or the other, at least that |
izzybeans |
Feb-21-07 11:30 AM |
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Reading Comprehension 101 |
notmypresident |
Feb-21-07 11:09 AM |
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Shut up and grab a pitchfork. There are witches about, ya know? |
jobycom |
Feb-21-07 11:22 AM |
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Word! |
TahitiNut |
Feb-21-07 11:41 AM |
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It is regarded as a sin, Check out my attempts to do that above. |
jobycom |
Feb-21-07 11:46 AM |
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THANK YOU. |
asthmaticeog |
Feb-21-07 11:28 AM |
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Good summary. n/t |
Dora |
Feb-21-07 11:40 AM |
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Am I correct that those kinds of drugs |
Katherine Brengle |
Feb-21-07 11:20 AM |
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Most subjects were tested between 10pm and 3am.... |
GOTV |
Feb-21-07 11:58 AM |
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Nah, No Real Reason To Believe It's Bullshit. Seems Logical Actually. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-21-07 11:33 AM |
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Makes sense. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-21-07 11:41 AM |
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there are no potential dangers to drinking alcohol |
Mandate My Ass |
Feb-21-07 11:52 AM |
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I'm not seeing your point. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Feb-21-07 11:56 AM |
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Where did anyone claim otherwise? |
jobycom |
Feb-21-07 12:05 PM |
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That's just silly. |
NCevilDUer |
Feb-21-07 12:42 PM |
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It doesn't really matter. Alcohol is the original date rape drug and |
hedgehog |
Feb-21-07 12:46 PM |
#79 |
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