haele
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Wed Feb-21-07 11:24 AM
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| 19. Normal Active duty and reservist mortality rates? Throw in VA hospitals? |
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Edited on Wed Feb-21-07 11:29 AM by haele
From what I remember when I was in during that time, and reading the Navy Times regularly, there was on average ten to fifteen Navy active, reserve, and retiree deaths listed in weekly their "proceedings" columns simply due to old age, civilian accidents, training accidents, deployment/safety issues, service related injuries, etc... Consider there are considered to be five "military" services - Air Force, Army, Coast Guard, Marines, Navy - with varying numbers of stupid young people and/or retirees that are living in VA homes and/or hospitals or are "noted" in their community, a thousand or so listed deaths a year would not be considered "special". Another point to consider is that if you compare a yearly cross section of civilians of the same number and type as military members, you will usually find a higher mortality rate amongst the same number of civilians. That's because in general, the military tends to be much stricter in terms of safety procedures and risky behavior, at least on base.
It sounds as if your author is comparing apples and oranges by fudging statistics to make a point. If we add current non-theater mortality averages this person is using to bash Clinton era military to our current in-theater mortality, we'd probably be able to claim on average 3 to 4K more deaths a year during the 2003 to 2006 Iraq/Iran war period. That's quadruple or higher the number of deaths during the same period of time.
The argument the author of this opinion piece is trying to make is a shiny spin object full of holes.
Haele
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4,417 military deaths under Clinton? What are they talking about? |
Hamlette |
Feb-21-07 10:54 AM |
#0 |

Baseless moral relativism. Just pure rwingnut propaganda. |
Roland99 |
Feb-21-07 10:56 AM |
#1 |

that's 7,550 too many |
Bill McBlueState |
Feb-21-07 10:56 AM |
#2 |
 
but...I didn't think we lost any soldiers in a war under Clinton |
Hamlette |
Feb-21-07 11:02 AM |
#4 |

I think there were deaths in Somalia in 1993, iirc. n/t |
hughee99 |
Feb-21-07 11:13 AM |
#13 |
 
Complete right-wing nonsense and lies. The ACTUAL stats: |
WinkyDink |
Feb-21-07 02:57 PM |
#41 |

Were you intending to reply to me on this? |
hughee99 |
Feb-21-07 04:20 PM |
#43 |

I was in the Kosavo campagn |
dmost |
Feb-21-07 07:53 PM |
#45 |

WW2 vets dying of oLd age. |
sniffa |
Feb-21-07 11:01 AM |
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Well now count the deaths for other con presidents. |
Bitwit1234 |
Feb-21-07 11:01 AM |
#3 |
 
she says from the US military official report....? |
Hamlette |
Feb-21-07 11:05 AM |
#7 |

Hmmm, seems to me that regardless of her sources, the repukes still |
Javaman |
Feb-21-07 11:07 AM |
#9 |

Again, the military does not agree with these numbers, and note that |
sinkingfeeling |
Feb-21-07 11:48 AM |
#32 |

There weren't any military deaths in combat situations |
tetedur |
Feb-21-07 11:04 AM |
#5 |

military deaths from ALL |
montanto |
Feb-21-07 11:05 AM |
#6 |
 
but there are still twice as many non combat deaths under Clinton n/t |
Hamlette |
Feb-21-07 11:07 AM |
#10 |

Non-combat training deaths and car wrecks? |
Jacobin |
Feb-21-07 11:06 AM |
#8 |

These propagandists have no shame |
DefenseLawyer |
Feb-21-07 11:09 AM |
#11 |

This talking point raises it's ugly head again |
Mortos |
Feb-21-07 11:10 AM |
#12 |

There are always training deaths in the military. |
NCevilDUer |
Feb-21-07 11:14 AM |
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She's talking about total deaths occuring amongst all military personnel for any reason. |
sinkingfeeling |
Feb-21-07 11:14 AM |
#15 |

What an incredible example of lying with statistics. |
Jackpine Radical |
Feb-21-07 11:16 AM |
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She's comparing apples and oranges |
yardwork |
Feb-21-07 11:21 AM |
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And all the military retirees because technically we're inactive |
sarge43 |
Feb-21-07 02:30 PM |
#38 |

Well, according to the Department of Defense it was 4302 |
GirlinContempt |
Feb-21-07 11:23 AM |
#18 |
 
We didn't lose thousands in the Balkans. Do you SERIOUSLY believe that |
kestrel91316 |
Feb-21-07 11:28 AM |
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Did I say that? |
GirlinContempt |
Feb-21-07 11:32 AM |
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didn't Lose one soLdier in the baLkans |
sniffa |
Feb-21-07 11:31 AM |
#22 |

Oh |
GirlinContempt |
Feb-21-07 12:16 PM |
#34 |

Normal Active duty and reservist mortality rates? Throw in VA hospitals? |
haele |
Feb-21-07 11:24 AM |
#19 |

Probably deaths from all causes |
Thevenin |
Feb-21-07 11:30 AM |
#21 |

A chart on page 15 of this report details the death rates of the military from 1980-2002 |
izzybeans |
Feb-21-07 11:32 AM |
#24 |
 
Between 1992 - 2001, almost no battle deaths |
mainer |
Feb-21-07 11:37 AM |
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Yep. The Sun journalist is clearly a liar. |
izzybeans |
Feb-21-07 11:40 AM |
#30 |
  
dupe. |
izzybeans |
Feb-21-07 11:40 AM |
#31 |
 
Mysteriously enough |
Mortos |
Feb-21-07 11:37 AM |
#28 |

True. |
izzybeans |
Feb-21-07 11:39 AM |
#29 |

Kosovo US battle deaths: 0. Total US deaths: 2 |
mainer |
Feb-21-07 11:34 AM |
#25 |
 
As memory serves |
sarge43 |
Feb-21-07 11:51 AM |
#33 |

She's counting accidents, murders, suicides & natural causes |
wicket |
Feb-21-07 11:37 AM |
#26 |
 
thank you! |
Hamlette |
Feb-21-07 01:20 PM |
#35 |

Any time Hamlette!!!! |
wicket |
Feb-21-07 02:14 PM |
#36 |

Jesus H. Christ!!! |
maxrandb |
Feb-21-07 02:29 PM |
#37 |

Running the numbers |
BrooklyniteBlog |
Feb-21-07 02:53 PM |
#39 |

Re: Running the numbers |
BrooklyniteBlog |
Feb-21-07 02:54 PM |
#40 |

Whoa Brooklyn! What great posts.... |
Hamlette |
Feb-21-07 03:37 PM |
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Much appreciated. |
BrooklyniteBlog |
Feb-21-07 09:19 PM |
#46 |

I've made a spreadsheet for this if anyone wants it |
Bucky |
Feb-21-07 06:04 PM |
#44 |