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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 12:13 AM
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15. I find this sickening
It's exploitation.

What's wrong w/ adopting? I understand there are people who want a biological child but come on.

What is next? :puke:
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  -Giving birth becomes the latest job outsourced to India as commercial surrogacy takes off OhioChick  Dec-29-07 08:35 PM   #0 
  - I thought for sure that this would be from either The Onion or  Fridays Child   Dec-29-07 08:38 PM   #1 
  - Farmers have been doing this for decades..  SoCalDem   Dec-29-07 08:52 PM   #2 
  - Those are all very good points. I don't frankly see much difference between  Hoof Hearted   Dec-29-07 10:17 PM   #7 
  - I see a difference  theHandpuppet   Dec-29-07 10:32 PM   #9 
  - How do you know they are not? You assume way too much.  Hoof Hearted   Dec-29-07 10:48 PM   #11 
     - A quote from  Hoof Hearted   Dec-29-07 10:52 PM   #12 
        - Wowwww getting involved one time  LiberalFighter   Dec-30-07 10:19 AM   #24 
        - Gee -- most will visit ONCE during the pregnancy?  theHandpuppet   Dec-30-07 10:44 AM   #25 
           - I guess I wasn't making my point clear enough. My point is that surrogacy there is not  Hoof Hearted   Dec-30-07 11:52 AM   #29 
  - Geez, not the race card again!  silverojo   Dec-30-07 12:03 AM   #14 
     - Thank You. n/t  OhioChick   Dec-30-07 08:00 AM   #16 
     - Actually, I do see an element of racism at work here  theHandpuppet   Dec-30-07 10:49 AM   #26 
  - When the impoverishment of many is a 'convenience' to some ...  TahitiNut   Dec-30-07 09:06 AM   #20 
  - The same kind of arrangements are made here. Some women chose to fill a financial need by carrying  Hoof Hearted   Dec-30-07 02:48 PM   #35 
  - So... you think it's okay to treat human women the same way farmers treat animals?  Katherine Brengle   Jan-01-08 11:49 AM   #67 
  - I'm speechless !  Fed_Up_Grammy   Dec-29-07 08:55 PM   #3 
  - Inevitable. If everyone's happy, I don't see anything wrong with it.  truthisfreedom   Dec-29-07 08:58 PM   #4 
  - Holy "Handmaid's Tale," Batman!  BlueIris   Dec-29-07 09:01 PM   #5 
  - Why? What exactly is wrong with it that isn't wrong with surrogacy here?  Hoof Hearted   Dec-29-07 10:22 PM   #8 
  - A poor woman don't have the resources to pursue legal cases long distance  Lars39   Dec-30-07 03:05 PM   #42 
     - It's not her baby. Do you understand what surrogacy actually  lizzy   Dec-30-07 06:13 PM   #46 
        - It isn't *genetically* related, but pregnancy is biological  gollygee   Dec-30-07 06:35 PM   #51 
  - Exactly - this sense of entitlement to biological offspring in the wealthy is pretty  Katherine Brengle   Jan-01-08 11:51 AM   #68 
  - Usually they just come to California.  LeftyMom   Dec-29-07 09:57 PM   #6 
  - The Boys from Bangalore  jpgray   Dec-29-07 10:35 PM   #10 
  - Almost all surrogate parenting arrangements are made because of infertility  Hoof Hearted   Dec-29-07 11:12 PM   #13 
  - Yes. The economic disparity makes it exploitative, and adoption is a far more friendly alternative  jpgray   Dec-30-07 09:27 AM   #21 
  - Excellent post, jpgray  theHandpuppet   Dec-30-07 10:51 AM   #27 
  - Adoption is so difficult that almost nobody can actually do it. I've seen that up close.  Hoof Hearted   Dec-30-07 03:30 PM   #43 
  - for white infants this is true.... not so much for older, darker babies.  bettyellen   Dec-31-07 08:10 PM   #63 
     - My friend has been trying to adopt any child under 3  gollygee   Dec-31-07 09:23 PM   #64 
     - That's the myth. Doesn't hold up though. Why do you think there are so many foreign adoptions?  Hoof Hearted   Dec-31-07 09:27 PM   #65 
        - maybe it's easier in NY where we don;t discriminate based on religion or sexual orientation  bettyellen   Dec-31-07 10:06 PM   #66 
  - Good post except for 1 point. Question about the "potentially dangerous" bit  uppityperson   Jan-01-08 12:07 PM   #70 
     - the point being, you are paying someone to do something dangerous, incredibly physically  bettyellen   Jan-01-08 02:23 PM   #72 
        - Not just the 2 choices and of course.  uppityperson   Jan-01-08 02:57 PM   #73 
           - i dont; see why that distinction is important...  bettyellen   Jan-01-08 03:20 PM   #74 
  - But increasingly it's only "infertility" because the couple is too old to concieve.  LeftyMom   Dec-30-07 11:13 AM   #28 
     - That's not really fair  gollygee   Dec-30-07 02:59 PM   #40 
        - If it's important to somebody, they work around those things.  LeftyMom   Dec-30-07 04:31 PM   #44 
           - funny people think poor women should suffer because they themselves want to struggle less when  bettyellen   Dec-31-07 06:44 PM   #60 
  - It IS ethically complex  kgfnally   Jan-01-08 03:30 PM   #75 
  - I find this sickening  SillyFlower   Dec-30-07 12:13 AM   #15 
  - You're Right...  OhioChick   Dec-30-07 08:02 AM   #17 
  - It also hurts the environment  Xenotime   Dec-30-07 08:39 AM   #18 
  - Adoption isn't easy  gollygee   Dec-30-07 03:02 PM   #41 
  - While we here in the states can be above it all  zalinda   Dec-30-07 08:59 AM   #19 
  - Yes! Let's use our economic might to compel poor folk to take on dangerous work we won't do!  jpgray   Dec-30-07 09:42 AM   #22 
     - exactly. it amazes me that some here project that these women find it "fulfilling" to spend 9 mos  bettyellen   Dec-30-07 11:53 AM   #30 
     - Not one person has said that these women find  zalinda   Dec-30-07 02:51 PM   #36 
        - "valuable and worthwhile" would have whizzed over your head, huh? that means fulfilling  bettyellen   Dec-31-07 06:14 PM   #57 
     - So, your suggestion is to let them  zalinda   Dec-30-07 12:02 PM   #31 
        - taken? it's a new form of trade- so we wonder why haven't more progressive opportunities opened up  bettyellen   Dec-30-07 01:10 PM   #33 
        - So they should be grateful for exploitation, -because- they are desperate?  jpgray   Dec-30-07 06:09 PM   #45 
           - Want it or not, if those adult women, they can do whatever it  lizzy   Dec-30-07 06:16 PM   #48 
              - Yet there are some things that should not be up for sale. And I'll wager I can prove it to you  jpgray   Dec-30-07 06:34 PM   #50 
                 - Being pregnant is legal anywhere in the world, I presume.  lizzy   Dec-30-07 06:57 PM   #52 
                    - As that has nothing to do with your earlier argument, is it safe to say you've abandoned it?  jpgray   Dec-30-07 07:02 PM   #53 
                       - Oh please.  lizzy   Dec-30-07 07:09 PM   #54 
                          - Are all equally free to decide? Are there no limits to what they can choose to sell?  jpgray   Dec-30-07 07:10 PM   #55 
  - John Sayles made a movie sort of about this subject  Annces   Dec-30-07 10:00 AM   #23 
  - Or...  Book Lover   Dec-30-07 01:05 PM   #32 
  - Believe it or not, for some people that is not possible  zalinda   Dec-30-07 02:39 PM   #34 
  - I am sorry  Book Lover   Dec-30-07 02:51 PM   #37 
  - Adoption isn't easy either  gollygee   Dec-30-07 02:52 PM   #38 
  - Adoption is so difficult that almost nobody can actually do it. n/t  Hoof Hearted   Dec-30-07 02:57 PM   #39 
  - wow, i can count four in my office. two are gay, another is single....  bettyellen   Dec-31-07 06:41 PM   #59 
  - Indeed. A lot of the reason adoption is "difficult" is because  Katherine Brengle   Jan-01-08 11:53 AM   #69 
     - see post #37  Book Lover   Jan-01-08 12:28 PM   #71 
  - The movie "Coma" is looking more and more plausible each day  Canuckistanian   Dec-30-07 06:15 PM   #47 
  - Brave New World.....  Elspeth   Dec-30-07 06:31 PM   #49 
  - Whoa, 15 pregnant women in the same room. Reminded me of Battlestar Galactica  DS1   Dec-30-07 07:11 PM   #56 
  - Funny how wealth, vacations, health care, yachts, etc. are never "out-sourced".  WinkyDink   Dec-31-07 06:25 PM   #58 
  - This reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode.  Swamp Rat   Dec-31-07 07:34 PM   #61 
  - UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!!! Now we're outsourcing our babies!  Kip Humphrey   Dec-31-07 07:37 PM   #62 

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