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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 01:59 PM
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41. Sure.
First of all, the underlying data are kept and reported byt the Bureau of Economic Analysis, an agency of the Department of Commerce, and are available as a part of the NIPA (National Income and Product Accounts). This is pretty fundamental to virtually all econometrics.

The graph itself is my creation, based on this data. It merely shows the ratio of ALL corporate profits (all corporations in the U.S. aggregated) to ALL employee compensation (including salaries, wages, bonuses, benefits, etc.). The "black line" tracks the annual ratios. The "red line" is a calculated Trend Line.

Yes ... ALL employees, including the abominable CEO compensation. That, in fact, should inform the reasonable person that the ratio is an understatement of the exploitation of labor by corporations - where "owners" take an ever greater share of the weealth created by labor. It's now worse than it's been since shortly before the Great Depression. (It seems to me that should be a clue.)




Find the data here ... http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/SelectTable.asp?Sel...

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  -Isn't Corporatism the real issue??? JMDEM  Dec-29-07 12:10 PM   #0 
  - It's the way our elections are set up  niceypoo   Dec-29-07 12:14 PM   #1 
  - The problem is the American sheeple that refuse to educate...  superkia   Dec-30-07 01:09 AM   #120 
  - oops  niceypoo   Dec-29-07 12:14 PM   #2 
  - I agree  senseandsensibility   Dec-29-07 12:14 PM   #3 
  - I agree  keep_it_real   Dec-29-07 12:27 PM   #8 
     - Welcome to DU!  senseandsensibility   Dec-29-07 12:29 PM   #9 
     - Edward's willingness to take on corporate America is why the corporate owned media  Blue State Native   Jan-05-08 07:30 AM   #188 
  - This is why Edwards will win.  tekisui   Dec-29-07 12:15 PM   #4 
  - consider  whirlygigspin   Dec-29-07 12:37 PM   #15 
  - Dulles taught that oil co's = nat'l security=America so CIA/Army worked for oil companies - Bush  papau   Dec-29-07 12:19 PM   #5 
  - Interesting, because Dulles  JMDEM   Dec-29-07 12:26 PM   #6 
     - Explains why United Fruit was treated like an Oil company by Dulles - Ike's letter's  papau   Dec-29-07 01:00 PM   #26 
  - Wow you just described Joe Biden  Froward69   Dec-29-07 12:27 PM   #7 
  - I wish there was more time for Biden to get exposure...  JMDEM   Dec-29-07 12:32 PM   #10 
     - Biden did not organize his campaign well.  JDPriestly   Dec-30-07 02:46 AM   #125 
        - Biden will be a big surprise in Iowa. Then we'll "see more of him". n/t  stlsaxman   Dec-30-07 08:13 AM   #137 
           - Biden has support among sophisticated followers of politics.  JDPriestly   Dec-30-07 01:20 PM   #160 
              - I seriously think you haven't seen any of Bidens speeches or meetings...  stlsaxman   Dec-30-07 07:24 PM   #182 
  - It is.  Sugar Smack   Dec-29-07 12:32 PM   #11 
  - "atavistic" - pertaining to atavism  timeforarevolution   Dec-29-07 12:36 PM   #14 
     - Cheers!  Sugar Smack   Dec-30-07 11:49 AM   #152 
     - Ditto that!  FatDave   Dec-30-07 12:48 PM   #155 
  - Coporatism is capitalism. It's always been the real issue..  rug   Dec-29-07 12:34 PM   #12 
  - Capitalism, managed, is better tahn all of the other economic systems that have been tried.  bryant69   Dec-29-07 12:38 PM   #16 
  - Its inherent exploitation makes it one of the worst social systems.  rug   Dec-29-07 12:40 PM   #19 
  - yeah cause communism worked great - you ever hear of Stalin? How about Pol Pot? n/t  bryant69   Dec-29-07 12:47 PM   #22 
  - Ever hear of Hitler? The slave trade? Genocide of Native Americans? Atomic bombs on Japan?  stimbox   Dec-29-07 12:59 PM   #25 
  - Both of your points are true... But what to do? What system works?  JMDEM   Dec-29-07 01:38 PM   #37 
  - Yep - managed capitalism. It works n/t  bryant69   Dec-29-07 10:52 PM   #79 
     - Let's call it "socialized capitalism".  CANDO   Dec-30-07 02:26 PM   #166 
        - I prefer managed capitalism; but socialized is, to most people, functionally the same.  bryant69   Dec-30-07 03:06 PM   #172 
  - Hitler even admired the policy & solution the United States had towards...  Kansas Wyatt   Dec-29-07 03:16 PM   #46 
  - Bravo! Kick that freeper b.s. to the curb! nt  TheGoldenRule   Dec-29-07 03:58 PM   #51 
  - If you are pro communist than please for the love of God go join the communist party  bryant69   Dec-29-07 10:52 PM   #77 
  - hahahaha!!! That's all you got?  stimbox   Dec-29-07 11:42 PM   #97 
  - objection  Two Americas   Dec-30-07 12:28 AM   #109 
     - you are FAR too calm and focused!  sojourner   Dec-30-07 02:36 AM   #123 
     - Of the worst sort? Im not calling for them to be persecuted  bryant69   Dec-30-07 08:58 AM   #143 
     - understood  Two Americas   Dec-30-07 01:30 PM   #161 
        - So opposing communism, in your opinion, is intellectual bigotry?  bryant69   Dec-30-07 01:48 PM   #162 
           - no  Two Americas   Dec-30-07 02:45 PM   #170 
              - Laughs.  bryant69   Dec-30-07 03:05 PM   #171 
                 - "allowed to say"  Two Americas   Dec-30-07 03:38 PM   #177 
                    - Well thank you for that right. Then let me say again, Communists should join the Communist party  bryant69   Dec-30-07 03:52 PM   #178 
                       - no threat  Two Americas   Dec-30-07 04:06 PM   #180 
                          - I don't base my assessment on stupid ideas on whether or not they are likely to be implemented  bryant69   Dec-30-07 04:47 PM   #181 
     - You're quickly becoming on of my favorite posters...  Mythsaje   Dec-30-07 01:05 PM   #158 
     - Bravo.  greyhound1966   Dec-30-07 03:14 PM   #174 
  - Freeper BS? Which dem candidates are advocating the abolition of private property?  Flatulo   Dec-29-07 10:54 PM   #82 
  - Stalin murdered 30 million Ukranians. He was a Commie.  Flatulo   Dec-29-07 10:52 PM   #78 
     - Read this, cheerleader. Enjoy the health and wealth capitalism has conveyed.  rug   Dec-29-07 11:11 PM   #89 
     - Reality check - you need to speak with folks who came from communist countries.  Flatulo   Dec-29-07 11:14 PM   #91 
        - I'd rather talk to the 95% of native Americans who are not here to speak.  rug   Dec-29-07 11:20 PM   #94 
        - I also work with a Polish colleague.  Flatulo   Dec-29-07 11:35 PM   #96 
        - Speak to more people.  rug   Dec-29-07 11:48 PM   #100 
           - Sorry about the spelling error -  Flatulo   Dec-29-07 11:55 PM   #101 
           - Why did your friend come here? nt  Flatulo   Dec-29-07 11:56 PM   #102 
              - About 25 years ago. She met a man, married and stayed to raise a family.  rug   Dec-30-07 12:10 AM   #106 
                 - A lot of interesting stories...  Flatulo   Dec-30-07 12:22 AM   #108 
                    - You are describing a particular economic class of individuals.  rug   Dec-30-07 12:41 AM   #113 
                       - You may be right, but...  Flatulo   Dec-30-07 12:47 AM   #116 
                          - And the highly skilled can eat only so much food and spend so much money.  rug   Dec-30-07 12:59 AM   #118 
                             - It's the law of diminishing returns. You can only accomodate professionals so far.  Selatius   Dec-30-07 04:31 AM   #130 
                             - Isn't that close to Lenin's New Economic Policy?  rug   Dec-30-07 10:05 AM   #145 
                             - Looking back, yeah, it's an extremely close policy in some ways.  Selatius   Dec-30-07 02:29 PM   #167 
                             - Experience would indicate otherwise...  Flatulo   Dec-30-07 06:48 AM   #135 
        - I've been to Russia  midlife_mo_Jo   Dec-30-07 08:36 AM   #140 
        - It is too easy to blur the differences between economic systems and political systems.  CANDO   Dec-30-07 02:44 PM   #169 
     - We can say, however, that mass murder always relies on dogma  uberllama42   Dec-30-07 06:00 AM   #132 
  - I don't subscribe to the People Magazine school of history.  rug   Dec-29-07 02:58 PM   #44 
     - Communism puts people who don't care about success in charge  bryant69   Dec-29-07 10:54 PM   #81 
        - Bullshit. "people who don't care about success"?  rug   Dec-29-07 11:01 PM   #84 
           - I have a masters degree in history; and my area of expertise is American Communism  bryant69   Dec-30-07 08:56 AM   #142 
              - From what school did you get "people's natual greed and nastiness"?  rug   Dec-30-07 10:03 AM   #144 
                 - Seems like a great guy - he wasn't actually a communist  bryant69   Dec-30-07 01:55 PM   #163 
  - Except for every single other one ever tried.  Flatulo   Dec-29-07 10:46 PM   #76 
     - Nice user name.  rug   Dec-29-07 11:04 PM   #87 
        - Thanks. I like dark beer and pickled eggs.  Flatulo   Dec-29-07 11:11 PM   #90 
  - Keynesian or Friedman capitalism, that's the question  BelgianMadCow   Dec-29-07 08:04 PM   #64 
  - I agree, bryant69. The problem is that the multinational  JDPriestly   Dec-30-07 02:49 AM   #126 
  - Exactly right- y ou need managed capitalism that keeps a hold on them n/t  bryant69   Dec-30-07 01:56 PM   #164 
  - I agree. Capitalism produces more wealth.  midlife_mo_Jo   Dec-30-07 08:29 AM   #139 
  - The key word being "managed"  FatDave   Dec-30-07 12:54 PM   #156 
  - Pure capitalism doesn't work, pure communism doesn't work...  JMDEM   Dec-29-07 12:40 PM   #18 
  - Capitalism does not lend itself to dilution.  rug   Dec-29-07 12:42 PM   #20 
  - Pure capitalism and pure communism have never been tried.  OmelasExpat   Dec-29-07 02:34 PM   #42 
     - Socialism is based on a central economy, not communism.  rug   Dec-29-07 03:04 PM   #45 
     - Totally agree with that. nt  OmelasExpat   Dec-30-07 04:03 PM   #179 
     - Yes, this is what I was trying to say. Thanks... nt.  JMDEM   Dec-29-07 04:01 PM   #54 
     - I think the Scandanavian states have struck a good balance  Flatulo   Dec-30-07 10:41 AM   #149 
  - Capitalism is about private property rights.  Flatulo   Dec-29-07 10:45 PM   #75 
  - Capitalism is about capital.  rug   Dec-29-07 11:03 PM   #86 
     - I respectfully disagree. Ownership is everyone's right in a capitalist society.  Flatulo   Dec-29-07 11:09 PM   #88 
        - One of the cold war myths is that communists will steal your toothbrush.  rug   Dec-29-07 11:16 PM   #93 
        - Just my opinion, but here's one theory...  Flatulo   Dec-29-07 11:26 PM   #95 
        - So what went wrong?  Flatulo   Dec-29-07 11:44 PM   #98 
        - The classic definition of communism is the dissolution of the state and direct control of production  rug   Dec-30-07 12:04 AM   #105 
           - I think that capitalism is the natural state of man.  Flatulo   Dec-30-07 12:14 AM   #107 
              - That's almost a theological opinion on the natue of humankind.  rug   Dec-30-07 12:29 AM   #110 
                 - Nope, not theological since I am an agnostic.  Flatulo   Dec-30-07 12:37 AM   #111 
                    - Ironically, corporations themselves cannot function without cooperation.  rug   Dec-30-07 12:49 AM   #117 
                       - I didn't make these rules...  Flatulo   Dec-30-07 06:26 AM   #133 
        - Dupe - self deleted  Flatulo   Dec-29-07 11:44 PM   #99 
        - Businesses can run forever on a break-even basis.  Thor_MN   Jan-05-08 07:18 AM   #186 
  - Corporatism is not capitalism...  AntiFascist   Dec-30-07 12:42 AM   #114 
     - Corporations are the means by which capitalism controls the govenment.  rug   Dec-30-07 10:08 AM   #147 
        - OK, then what about Communist China?  AntiFascist   Dec-30-07 03:32 PM   #176 
  - True.  old guy   Dec-29-07 12:35 PM   #13 
  - the first year will be rough  Yuugal   Dec-29-07 01:04 PM   #27 
  - We can certainly hope.  old guy   Dec-29-07 01:16 PM   #30 
     - Hope is all I have left  Yuugal   Dec-29-07 01:45 PM   #39 
        - I sense that you may still be seeing Charity here and there  Thor_MN   Jan-05-08 07:31 AM   #189 
  - depends  Two Americas   Dec-29-07 03:42 PM   #48 
  - Agree with Gist of what you say, however definitions are  OHdem10   Dec-29-07 12:38 PM   #17 
  - It would not be advisable to destroy corporations... just control them.  JMDEM   Dec-29-07 12:45 PM   #21 
  - 'the end run around the corporations'  whirlygigspin   Dec-29-07 12:48 PM   #23 
  - unfortunately the MSM will surely sabotage anyone that doesn's serve their owners' interests  sojourner   Dec-30-07 02:40 AM   #124 
  - corporations aren't "guys" - good or bad  Two Americas   Dec-29-07 03:59 PM   #53 
  - So where does the F word come into the picture?  Thor_MN   Jan-05-08 07:37 AM   #190 
  - YES.  tbyg52   Dec-29-07 12:51 PM   #24 
  - Yes. n/t  LWolf   Dec-29-07 01:06 PM   #28 
  - Yes  Yuugal   Dec-29-07 01:08 PM   #29 
  - the corporations are part of the problem...  Peace 2008   Dec-29-07 01:26 PM   #31 
  - Yep and 'corporatism' is a euphemism for Fascism  havocmom   Dec-29-07 01:30 PM   #32 
  - Bingo. NT.  JMDEM   Dec-29-07 01:35 PM   #34 
  - My candidate speaks of this constantly. Wrote a book about it.  bobbolink   Dec-29-07 01:32 PM   #33 
  - It is the large corporations and the power they hold that is the problem  cynthia   Dec-29-07 01:35 PM   #35 
  - Gee... what makes anyone think so?  TahitiNut   Dec-29-07 01:37 PM   #36 
  - Can you explain this graph?  JMDEM   Dec-29-07 01:40 PM   #38 
     - Sure.  TahitiNut   Dec-29-07 01:59 PM   #41 
        - Ah -- now I get it. Thanks... nt.  JMDEM   Dec-29-07 03:57 PM   #50 
        - Once you explain ti, nice graph.  Warren Stupidity   Dec-30-07 12:00 PM   #153 
  - Yes, it is. That's why I support John Edwards!  Patchuli   Dec-29-07 01:47 PM   #40 
  - beware the distractions  Two Americas   Dec-29-07 02:44 PM   #43 
  - !!!  bvar22   Dec-29-07 03:33 PM   #47 
  - Isn't this what Edwards has been saying? I want to believe him...but....  TheGoldenRule   Dec-29-07 03:57 PM   #49 
  - I don't know for sure but...  JMDEM   Dec-29-07 03:59 PM   #52 
  - True. But whom to trust? That's the question. nt  TheGoldenRule   Dec-29-07 04:04 PM   #55 
  - of course  Two Americas   Dec-29-07 04:16 PM   #57 
     - Your post is beautiful in it's hope & idealism, but sadly, my hope & idealism is gone.  TheGoldenRule   Dec-29-07 05:50 PM   #58 
        - understood  Two Americas   Dec-29-07 06:01 PM   #60 
           - I hear you-Great Post!  TheGoldenRule   Dec-29-07 06:43 PM   #61 
              - thanks!  Two Americas   Dec-29-07 07:20 PM   #62 
  - ALMOST. Currency reserves systems use CORPS as PAWNS.  Festivito   Dec-29-07 04:14 PM   #56 
  - People argue over which economic/political system is best like that matters.  rhett o rick   Dec-29-07 05:53 PM   #59 
  - This is why my vote might be moving towards Edwards.  jeffrey_X   Dec-29-07 07:58 PM   #63 
  - If there could be ONE question I could ask any candidate, it would be this:  HughBeaumont   Dec-29-07 08:10 PM   #65 
  - Corporations are part of the problem. Perhaps if we Dems get across the point that  mzmolly   Dec-29-07 09:10 PM   #66 
  - even if they do  Two Americas   Dec-29-07 09:38 PM   #68 
     - Oh I agree that they need to be regulated. But I think they need to be  mzmolly   Dec-29-07 09:41 PM   #69 
        - already happening  Two Americas   Dec-29-07 10:44 PM   #74 
           - Wellllllll, not really....  mzmolly   Dec-29-07 10:54 PM   #80 
              - ah, right  Two Americas   Dec-29-07 11:58 PM   #103 
  - Absolutely....100%!!!!! Nice Insight!!!!  lisainmilo   Dec-29-07 09:37 PM   #67 
  - I agree, that Corporatism is the problem with the US system...  MrsBrady   Dec-29-07 09:45 PM   #70 
  - I believe that it is actually the LAW that corporations be greedy  JMDEM   Dec-29-07 10:59 PM   #83 
     - What law would that be?  spindoctor   Dec-30-07 06:29 AM   #134 
  - K&R -  waiting for hope   Dec-29-07 09:48 PM   #71 
  - Well written OP with excellent comments to boot  truedelphi   Dec-29-07 09:48 PM   #72 
  - Great thread, JMDEM. Much appreciated. n/t  antigop   Dec-29-07 09:54 PM   #73 
  - Yes, it is THE issue. n/t  Zorra   Dec-29-07 11:01 PM   #85 
  - Absolutely. Everthing is hooked to it...our healthcare, our environment,  Gloria   Dec-29-07 11:16 PM   #92 
  - Corporations don't control everything  creeksneakers2   Dec-29-07 11:59 PM   #104 
  - corporations aren't people  Two Americas   Dec-30-07 12:40 AM   #112 
  - Corporations are groups of people.  creeksneakers2   Dec-30-07 01:00 AM   #119 
     - yes they can be seen that way  Two Americas   Dec-30-07 03:11 AM   #128 
  - Ever heard of alternative minimum tax?  spindoctor   Dec-30-07 05:49 AM   #131 
     - The alternative minimum tax only applies to individuals  creeksneakers2   Dec-30-07 08:38 AM   #141 
        - Obviously I dont know my tax rules either, but...  spindoctor   Dec-30-07 10:11 AM   #148 
  - Perot AND Nader were right  underpants   Dec-30-07 12:44 AM   #115 
  - The reason you sound like Ralph Nader,  tavalon   Dec-30-07 01:25 AM   #121 
  - Good post! -- K&R!!  sojourner   Dec-30-07 02:31 AM   #122 
  - The problem is and will always be campaign funding  spindoctor   Dec-30-07 03:10 AM   #127 
  - Impressive - you managed to get all that out without identifying any of the current candidates by  Seabiscuit   Dec-30-07 04:23 AM   #129 
  - It has become inseparable.  Usrename   Dec-30-07 07:42 AM   #136 
  - Yes, yes, yes! K&R  midlife_mo_Jo   Dec-30-07 08:25 AM   #138 
  - Absolutely, without a doubt, 100% n/t  timeforarevolution   Dec-30-07 10:06 AM   #146 
  - Worth Posting Here  Mark D.   Dec-30-07 11:22 AM   #150 
  - TOP 10 REASONS TO VOTE EDWARDS  happygoluckytoyou   Dec-30-07 11:46 AM   #151 
  - Corporatism is the ONLY issue IMO.  amb123   Dec-30-07 12:13 PM   #154 
  - Big K&R  L0oniX   Dec-30-07 01:03 PM   #157 
  - What's the deal with Japan?  FatDave   Dec-30-07 01:14 PM   #159 
  - I took a course at work on doing business with the Japanese...  Flatulo   Dec-30-07 02:14 PM   #165 
  - Thanks for the info  FatDave   Dec-30-07 02:31 PM   #168 
     - Your welcome. The Japanese did go through a banking crisis  Flatulo   Dec-30-07 03:14 PM   #173 
  - Doh! The thing I forgot to mention is...  Flatulo   Dec-30-07 03:30 PM   #175 
     - Ah, so that's the difference!  FatDave   Dec-30-07 07:28 PM   #183 
     - Yes, I would agree with that. I fear that in the backlash against  Flatulo   Dec-30-07 10:07 PM   # 
     - Self-delete  Flatulo   Dec-30-07 10:07 PM   #184 
     - Another thing that I have read is that Asian business culture has a different view of time  Thor_MN   Jan-05-08 09:12 AM   #192 
  - kick  mdmc   Jan-03-08 10:09 PM   #185 
  - What laws would reduce their power?  treestar   Jan-05-08 07:24 AM   #187 
  - kick  some guy   Jan-05-08 08:05 AM   #191 
 

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