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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-30-07 09:55 AM
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115. Ignorance alloyed with arrogance is stupidity.
Edited on Sun Dec-30-07 09:59 AM by TahitiNut
1275, from O.Fr. curteis "having courtly bearing or manners," from curt "court" + -eis, from L. -ensis. In feudal society, also denoting a man of good education (hence the name Curtis). Medieval courts were associated with good behavior and also beauty; e.g. Ger. hbsch "beautiful," from M.H.G. hbesch "beautiful," orig. "courteous, well-bred," from O.Franconian hofesch, from hof "court."

1175, from O.Fr. curt, from L. cortem, acc. of cors (earlier cohors) "enclosed yard," and by extension (and perhaps by association with curia "sovereign's assembly"), "those assembled in the yard; company, cohort," from com- "together" + stem hort- related to hortus "garden, plot of ground" (see yard (1)). The verb meaning "woo, offer homage" (as at court) is first recorded 1580. Sporting sense is from 1519, originally of tennis. Legal meaning is from 1292 (early assemblies for justice were overseen by the sovereign personally); courthouse is from 1483. Court-martial is first attested 1571; as a verb, 1859. Courtier is from 1228; courtly "having manners befitting a court" is from 1450. Courtship "paying court to a woman with intention of marriage" is from 1596.

If you're incapable of distinguishing between the FORMS of behavior and the MOTIVES for behavior, then my advisory to separate the wheat from the chaff is lost upon you. Imposing those arbitrary cultural forms upon others without full respect for their inherent humanity is, imho, obscene arrogance and the bigotry of classism.

Indeed, your disCOURTeous response betrays the hypocrisy of a sycophatic COURTier.
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  -I told my daughter that it was unladylike to burp in front of people--she told me that was sexist. trumad  Dec-29-07 09:42 AM   #0 
  - I'd go with "rude and ignorant" rather than "unladylike".  LynnTheDem   Dec-29-07 09:44 AM   #1 
  - Yep. Told my daughter "Wow, I didn't realize i was raising a Republican" when she farted at dinner.  Xithras   Dec-29-07 01:56 PM   #101 
  - I just say "be polite" to my daughters. Never occured to me that "ladylike" was something  mondo joe   Dec-29-07 09:44 AM   #2 
  - It most certainly is, as is being gentlemanly. The world needs more ladies and gentlemen. nt  MookieWilson   Dec-29-07 10:08 AM   #34 
     - Sure, as long as the standards for this are the SAME for both genders.  kineta   Dec-29-07 01:10 PM   #87 
        - Damned straight, kineta! nt  MookieWilson   Dec-29-07 03:31 PM   #111 
  - Better comment is that it's "rude" regardless of who does it  Lex   Dec-29-07 09:46 AM   #3 
  - Don't Correct The Brother  iamjoy   Dec-29-07 10:02 AM   #31 
  - "impolite" will do..  ananda   Dec-29-07 09:46 AM   #4 
  - "Better out than in."  TahitiNut   Dec-29-07 09:47 AM   #5 
  - "More room."  lonestarnot   Dec-29-07 09:48 AM   #8 
  - More room on the outside than there is on the inside.  Kadie   Dec-29-07 09:49 AM   #10 
  - Better To Burp  iamjoy   Dec-29-07 09:53 AM   #22 
  - Don't expect a dinner invite  cgrindley   Dec-29-07 10:20 AM   #45 
  - Well, I guess that's the cross I must bear. Woe is me.  TahitiNut   Dec-29-07 10:34 AM   #52 
  - Better the attic than the basement  dropkickpa   Dec-29-07 01:15 PM   #89 
     - In the company of other scuba divers, I say ...  TahitiNut   Dec-29-07 01:18 PM   #92 
  - It is just plain rude to burp out loud in front of dinner companions. In this  bluerum   Dec-29-07 09:47 AM   #6 
  - But the use of "ladylike" implies that it's only unacceptable if girls do it.  Lex   Dec-29-07 09:48 AM   #7 
  - When a boy does it, it's "ungentlemanly"  slackmaster   Dec-29-07 09:50 AM   #13 
  - The OP said his brother & father don't get corrected in the same way  Lex   Dec-29-07 09:52 AM   #17 
     - Sorry for not being more clear - I did read and understand the OP  slackmaster   Dec-29-07 09:57 AM   #27 
     - The disparity in enforcement IS sexist. nt  MookieWilson   Dec-29-07 10:14 AM   #40 
  - and that should have been noted. Women and girls are expected to be ladies but boys and men...  MookieWilson   Dec-29-07 10:09 AM   #35 
  - I know. Clearly, that was a faux pas.  bluerum   Dec-29-07 10:44 AM   #59 
  - Alas, at my wedding reception, it was a belching symphony.  blondeatlast   Dec-29-07 09:54 AM   #25 
  - In Japan it's a compliment..  walldude   Dec-29-07 10:46 AM   #60 
  - Equal time... belching at the table is also "ungentlemanly"  supernova   Dec-29-07 09:49 AM   #9 
  - Thanks for the peek into the "Upstairs Downstairs" world.  TahitiNut   Dec-29-07 09:54 AM   #26 
  - Oh Get off your high horse, TN  supernova   Dec-29-07 10:01 AM   #30 
     - "High horse"?? Moi??? ROFL!!!  TahitiNut   Dec-29-07 10:37 AM   #55 
        - Seriously, let me know when you pick up the clue phone  supernova   Dec-29-07 10:51 AM   #62 
           - "you think everybody should be boorish"?? Really?  TahitiNut   Dec-29-07 11:13 AM   #75 
              - Now we're getting somewhere  supernova   Dec-29-07 11:17 AM   #78 
  - I also find the term "well-bred" offensive, although I understand  RadiationTherapy   Dec-29-07 10:52 AM   #63 
  - It's possible to democratize the term  supernova   Dec-29-07 10:57 AM   #65 
  - I agree. Welcome to DU!  RadiationTherapy   Dec-29-07 11:05 AM   #69 
     - Welcome to DU, Radiation Therapy!  supernova   Dec-29-07 11:10 AM   #73 
     - Although I am a fan of paying attention to what words and phrases  RadiationTherapy   Dec-29-07 11:21 AM   #79 
     - ...  kineta   Dec-29-07 01:16 PM   #91 
  - Well bred, in modern usage...  Xithras   Dec-29-07 01:59 PM   #104 
     - Specifically that your parents taught you manners  cynthia   Dec-29-07 02:10 PM   #106 
  - Perfectly stated. nt  MookieWilson   Dec-29-07 11:23 AM   #82 
     - Thank you MookieWilson  supernova   Dec-29-07 01:16 PM   #90 
        - You are welcome, Supernova. nt  MookieWilson   Dec-29-07 03:28 PM   #109 
  - Terms like ladylike and gentlemanly are generally used with respectful intent  slackmaster   Dec-29-07 09:49 AM   #11 
  - Just tell your brother and father they aren't being ladylike.  youthere   Dec-29-07 09:50 AM   #12 
  - Conversely, when dad and bro don't burp, they ARE being ladylike?  havocmom   Dec-29-07 10:20 AM   #44 
     - LOL! maybe the OP can compliment his brother and father when they don't burp!  youthere   Dec-29-07 10:24 AM   #47 
        - Best done within earshot of that bright daughter  havocmom   Dec-29-07 10:29 AM   #51 
  - Traditionally the connotation of ladylike is sexist  The empressof all   Dec-29-07 09:51 AM   #14 
  - I like to think the definition has changed, thanks to folks like Katharine Hepburn, etc. nt  MookieWilson   Dec-29-07 10:11 AM   #37 
     - I never thought of her as ladylike  The empressof all   Dec-29-07 10:28 AM   #50 
        - True, in part...  MookieWilson   Dec-29-07 11:22 AM   #80 
  - she is right. if you tolerate it from males and not females, its the definition of sexist  lionesspriyanka   Dec-29-07 09:51 AM   #15 
  - For god's sake don't let her watch this  tularetom   Dec-29-07 09:52 AM   #16 
  - A conundrum.  Drum   Dec-29-07 09:52 AM   #18 
  - Good luck with this,  wellstone dem   Dec-29-07 09:52 AM   #19 
  - Mom always told us...  citizen_jane   Dec-29-07 09:53 AM   #20 
  - "but I'm use to seeing guys act this way."  thecatburgler   Dec-29-07 09:53 AM   #21 
  - Well said. 'Lady' is NOT a synonym for 'woman'. We need higher expectations for men. nt  MookieWilson   Dec-29-07 10:12 AM   #38 
  - WTF  kgfnally   Dec-29-07 09:53 AM   #23 
  - Thank You!  Kadie   Dec-29-07 09:58 AM   #28 
  - Yes...Read My Response  iamjoy   Dec-29-07 10:25 AM   #48 
  - Defecating is a natural function, too. But you don't do it in front of other people.  Marr   Dec-29-07 10:38 AM   #57 
     - *SNORT*  supernova   Dec-29-07 11:07 AM   #72 
     - So is breathing. Please stop.  TahitiNut   Dec-29-07 11:22 AM   #81 
     - You don't disregard the customs of people in other countries, do you?  Marr   Dec-29-07 11:36 AM   #83 
        - According to "some people," no host would EVER make a guest feel uncomfortable or demeaned ...  TahitiNut   Dec-29-07 12:00 PM   #84 
           - Your subject line states a good point. That's exactly what Judith Martin would say.  kineta   Dec-29-07 01:23 PM   #93 
           - I can't believe you're trying to equate manners with monarchy.  Marr   Dec-29-07 01:47 PM   #99 
              - Ignorance alloyed with arrogance is stupidity.  TahitiNut   Dec-30-07 09:55 AM   #115 
                 - That has got to be the lamest argument I've ever heard.  Marr   Dec-30-07 10:54 AM   #117 
     - true. nt  lionesspriyanka   Dec-30-07 12:18 PM   #120 
  - Maybe just tell her that it's rude and a sign of being a socially ignorant boor.  Rabrrrrrr   Dec-29-07 09:54 AM   #24 
  - .  Midlodemocrat   Dec-29-07 11:14 AM   #76 
  - Its perfectly natural bodily function, and nothing to be ashamed off.  rAVES   Dec-29-07 10:00 AM   #29 
  - I believe your daughter is 100% correct. IMHO, It was a sexist remark. Burping is a bodily function  OmmmSweetOmmm   Dec-29-07 10:05 AM   #32 
  - You could have noted that it was also ungentlemanly to do so. That's not sexist, it's true. nt  MookieWilson   Dec-29-07 10:07 AM   #33 
  - You have a GREAT daughter, and...  Mike Nelson   Dec-29-07 10:09 AM   #36 
  - I am sorry, I agree with trumad  LiberalArkie   Dec-29-07 10:13 AM   #39 
  - Same here, LiberalArkie. EVERYONE needs better manners. nt  MookieWilson   Dec-29-07 10:26 AM   #49 
  - You missed the point.  Lex   Dec-29-07 10:38 AM   #56 
  - Yeah, she's right.  undeterred   Dec-29-07 10:14 AM   #41 
  - She was also being ungentlemanly  cgrindley   Dec-29-07 10:19 AM   #42 
  - Sexist only if you fail to tell your sons they are being "ungentlemanly"  TalkingDog   Dec-29-07 10:20 AM   #43 
  - Neither boys or girls should burp loudly in public. It's rude.  distantearlywarning   Dec-29-07 10:21 AM   #46 
  - It's uncouth no matter who's doing it. If you don't treat your father and  Marr   Dec-29-07 10:36 AM   #53 
  - It's rude when either boys or girls (or men and women for that matter) do it. Unladylike could be  helderheid   Dec-29-07 10:36 AM   #54 
  - Gloria Steinem wouldn't burp in public.  sandrakae   Dec-29-07 10:43 AM   #58 
  - But would she think it's okay for the men in her family to burp publicly but  Lex   Dec-29-07 10:48 AM   #61 
  - You can dress Gloria up and take her anywhere. Manners should be similarly universal. Gloria ...  MookieWilson   Dec-29-07 03:34 PM   #112 
  - She's already working for the CIA and pushing corporate feminism?  JackRiddler   Dec-29-07 10:54 AM   #64 
  - Yes it is these days  malaise   Dec-29-07 10:58 AM   #66 
  - Yes, it's a sexist comment. Better to teach manners to both boys and girls and request the same of  mnhtnbb   Dec-29-07 11:03 AM   #67 
  - For me, the term 'lady' is classist.  RadiationTherapy   Dec-29-07 11:04 AM   #68 
  - I guess it would depend upon if the word Lady were a sexist word.  Toots   Dec-29-07 11:06 AM   #70 
  - It's bad form for guys too  JVS   Dec-29-07 11:06 AM   #71 
  - Did you tell her not to be contentious toward her father?  JVS   Dec-29-07 11:13 AM   #74 
  - Do you give men the same lecture or is it A-OK for guys to belch in public?  devilgrrl   Dec-29-07 11:16 AM   #77 
  - Well---I find it more difficult to correct the manners of an adult  trumad   Dec-29-07 12:35 PM   #85 
  - If you want to be nit picky, "I ain't use to that" makes you sound like an ignorant redneck.  kineta   Dec-29-07 01:09 PM   #86 
  - She sounds like a redhead.  Perry Logan   Dec-29-07 01:12 PM   #88 
  - Try telling her it is "unfeminine."  gulliver   Dec-29-07 01:25 PM   #94 
  - I like your daughter.  sfexpat2000   Dec-29-07 01:28 PM   #95 
  - You should've have told her it was rude - and the same to your male  Vinca   Dec-29-07 01:29 PM   #96 
  - No nt  SillyFlower   Dec-29-07 01:30 PM   #97 
  - ground her ass. Tell her she can belch all she wants in her room  HEyHEY   Dec-29-07 01:33 PM   #98 
  - lol  JVS   Dec-29-07 01:57 PM   #102 
  - I laughed out loud at this one. Thanks! nt  MookieWilson   Dec-29-07 03:30 PM   #110 
  - In a word, yes.  bobbolink   Dec-29-07 01:55 PM   #100 
  - it's rude in public imo from anybody, now i say that as someone who can burp  chimpsrsmarter   Dec-29-07 01:59 PM   #103 
  - I say nurture it and teach her to belch the National Anthem or something.  Forkboy   Dec-29-07 02:03 PM   #105 
  - I grew up learning to belch the alphabet.  Joe Fields   Dec-29-07 04:26 PM   #114 
  - You would be a hypocrite if you didn't tell your brother and father......  Darth_Kitten   Dec-29-07 02:11 PM   #107 
  - I think your daughter is correct that it's sexist  Connonym   Dec-29-07 03:22 PM   #108 
  - Ladylike/unladylike are words that make my skin crawl  me b zola   Dec-29-07 03:51 PM   #113 
  - I have a five year old little girl and I think  Geek_Girl   Dec-30-07 10:43 AM   #116 
  - I never used the word unladylike  Irishonly   Dec-30-07 11:00 AM   #118 
  - Your daughter sounds like a great person!  DawgHouse   Dec-30-07 12:15 PM   #119 

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