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Fri Dec-28-07 07:58 AM
Response to Reply #75 |
| 85. Actually it would be much simpler to use legislation to give a definition to "Arms" |
| -Russ Feingold and Right to Bear Arms --- 2nd Amendment |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 12:06 AM |
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I absolutely agree with that interpretation... |
Mythsaje |
Dec-27-07 12:20 AM |
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Then why didn't they simply say: "The right of the people to ... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 12:30 AM |
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Because... |
ingac70 |
Dec-27-07 12:32 AM |
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You just converted your point to one of COLLECTIVE rights --- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 12:34 AM |
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See post 11. n/t. |
ingac70 |
Dec-27-07 12:52 AM |
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That's not a response to COLLECTIVE rights . . . |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 01:01 AM |
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Currently, "the militia" is all males between 17 and 45 years old |
krispos42 |
Dec-27-07 03:24 AM |
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Yes sir! |
virginia mountainman |
Dec-27-07 12:39 AM |
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So only someone between the ages of 17 and 45 can have a gun -- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 01:04 AM |
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..... |
ingac70 |
Dec-27-07 01:39 AM |
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Actually No... |
Popol Vuh |
Dec-27-07 03:40 PM |
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Excellent post!! |
virginia mountainman |
Dec-29-07 12:19 PM |
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The Collective Rights theory demands exclusivity, the Standard Model does not. |
hansberrym |
Dec-28-07 05:10 PM |
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Proud to claim Russ Feingold as my own |
sjdnb |
Dec-27-07 12:23 AM |
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Think Feingold has shown some real courage --- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 12:33 AM |
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I think he's pretty solid on guns |
maximusveritas |
Dec-27-07 12:35 AM |
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Well, he's voted for gun-control measures . . . that seems sane! |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 01:09 AM |
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Voting for gun-control measures in and of itself does not indicate sanity |
krispos42 |
Dec-27-07 03:32 AM |
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Two reasons people in Wisconsin trust Feingold |
undeterred |
Dec-27-07 01:28 PM |
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That's good enough for me |
alarimer |
Dec-29-07 10:27 PM |
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We need more like him.. |
virginia mountainman |
Dec-27-07 12:32 AM |
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I'm hoping he'll endorse a candidate in the primaries |
maximusveritas |
Dec-27-07 12:33 AM |
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I doubt he will be endorsing Hillary --- !!!! |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 01:09 AM |
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Its a slow process but we're getting correct on the 2nd. |
aikoaiko |
Dec-27-07 12:33 AM |
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Not likely . . . if that's what they intended, they would not have included MILITIA --- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 01:05 AM |
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They intended individuals to keep and bear arms so that people could come together if neccesary |
aikoaiko |
Dec-27-07 01:21 AM |
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If INDIVIDUALS have the right to keep and bear arms . . . |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 01:36 AM |
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The 2nd doesn't limit the right to keep and bear arms to militia, but it is A reason... |
aikoaiko |
Dec-27-07 01:52 AM |
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Maybe you could also correlate those states to gun injuries/fatalities |
Toots |
Dec-27-07 08:20 AM |
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If not limited to Militia, then why mention it --- ? |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 01:44 PM |
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because self-defense of yourself and community is of primary importance to many |
aikoaiko |
Dec-27-07 03:02 PM |
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Rather confused rendering . . . however, when you argue "Militia" you are arguing |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 03:26 PM |
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But citizens needed to be armed, individually, in order for the militia to exist. |
aikoaiko |
Dec-27-07 03:31 PM |
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At that time, that was the way it went --- but today it is different --- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 04:24 PM |
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Ok this will be my last post in this thread because I think we're mostly done making our points |
aikoaiko |
Dec-28-07 12:45 PM |
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try this |
Two Americas |
Dec-27-07 02:27 AM |
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I really like that |
spin |
Dec-27-07 02:17 PM |
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Or how about this: |
joe_sixpack |
Dec-28-07 05:55 PM |
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Only in these times of Monsanto would Founders have thought of that one--!!! |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 02:30 PM |
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thanks for the response |
Two Americas |
Dec-27-07 04:41 PM |
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Your post is very thoughtful, but I wonder what can be done about the very real |
CTyankee |
Dec-28-07 08:20 AM |
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Tricky since ... |
BearSquirrel2 |
Dec-27-07 01:05 AM |
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Well, we've had a return to "Wild West America" . . . who does that benefit |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 01:07 AM |
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A return? |
ingac70 |
Dec-27-07 01:35 AM |
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No -- it hasn't . . . |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 01:38 AM |
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No amount of manufacturing standards... |
ingac70 |
Dec-27-07 01:47 AM |
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Guns are manufactured safely. |
krispos42 |
Dec-27-07 03:42 AM |
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How about safety locks to keep kids from killing themselves . . . ? |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 01:05 PM |
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It happens occasionally |
krispos42 |
Dec-27-07 01:39 PM |
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Since we have something called "human error" . . . the logical thing to do is to put locks on guns. |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 02:33 PM |
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Yea, let the women have there own gun! |
virginia mountainman |
Dec-27-07 05:27 PM |
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And they are on there |
krispos42 |
Dec-28-07 02:41 AM |
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Sad but true that you don't need a gun to kill an infant which is why your point |
CTyankee |
Dec-28-07 08:25 AM |
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The "wild west" was actually the "mild west". |
spin |
Dec-27-07 02:12 PM |
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We don't need Hollywood to explain gun violence to us --- it's on our streets --- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 03:22 PM |
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I live in Florida, |
spin |
Dec-27-07 08:40 PM |
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Yes, I'm aware that Florida has "concealed" weapons . . . |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 10:12 PM |
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An idea I've had for years |
spin |
Dec-28-07 10:01 AM |
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All but two states allow licensed individuals to carry a gun for lawful purposes... |
benEzra |
Dec-28-07 10:10 AM |
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the problem here, D&P, is that... |
krispos42 |
Dec-27-07 03:59 AM |
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dupe |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 04:07 PM |
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I am not arguing in any way for the 2nd Amendment. . . it is archaic --- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 04:15 PM |
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what about the 4th and the 5th? |
Two Americas |
Dec-27-07 07:21 PM |
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You are offering two points which make no sense . . . |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 08:48 PM |
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no |
Two Americas |
Dec-27-07 10:32 PM |
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? ? ? |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 10:56 PM |
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That Guardian article is very stupid. |
krispos42 |
Dec-28-07 02:28 AM |
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not so |
Two Americas |
Dec-27-07 07:08 PM |
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Anyone who has spent so much as an hour looking up the relevant history would agree |
ThomWV |
Dec-27-07 02:28 PM |
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What is some of that history --- enlighten us -- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 04:17 PM |
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For starters one might look at how the right to keep and bear arms |
hansberrym |
Dec-27-07 08:42 PM |
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Therefore, there has ALWAYS been disagreement on what this amendment means --- right??? |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 09:51 PM |
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There was also agreement - it was seen as an individual right |
hansberrym |
Dec-28-07 12:20 AM |
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Your final point is excellent. I am no Constitutional authority but it seems to me |
CTyankee |
Dec-28-07 08:42 AM |
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Try Google |
ThomWV |
Dec-28-07 07:55 AM |
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An Obama/Feingold ticket would be excellent. |
Alexander |
Dec-27-07 02:38 PM |
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No.. |
virginia mountainman |
Dec-27-07 03:14 PM |
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Good for him--! Evidently he doesn't think that every citizen needs a semi-automatic .... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 04:18 PM |
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Too bad.. |
virginia mountainman |
Dec-27-07 04:46 PM |
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A HUGE NUMBER of voters want repeating weapons . . . ??? |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 08:28 PM |
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Rather, police offers are for gun control --- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 08:30 PM |
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So many straw-men, so little time |
virginia mountainman |
Dec-27-07 11:00 PM |
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Yes police are for gun control |
Thothmes |
Dec-28-07 07:30 AM |
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Want??? |
virginia mountainman |
Dec-27-07 10:55 PM |
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The earliest courts found it more than an "interesting premise"... |
hansberrym |
Dec-27-07 04:35 PM |
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Basically, everyone can have a repeating automatic weapon? |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 08:32 PM |
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Strawmen are easier targets than Feingold's thesis. |
hansberrym |
Dec-27-07 08:46 PM |
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So you're for gun-control -- ??? |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 10:14 PM |
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A "repeating automatic weapon"? |
spin |
Dec-27-07 10:21 PM |
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This is what you said --- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-28-07 10:22 AM |
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"Semi auto" weapons are common |
spin |
Dec-28-07 02:45 PM |
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The only way Bush got into the White House was a STEAL -- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-29-07 12:20 AM |
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I also agree with you on many points, |
spin |
Dec-29-07 03:27 PM |
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We share nightmares . . . |
defendandprotect |
Dec-29-07 10:04 PM |
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D&P.... |
krispos42 |
Dec-29-07 10:52 AM |
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The Constitution was not written to insure your version of society |
ThomWV |
Dec-28-07 07:57 AM |
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The "Wild West" had a version of society . . . which required gun control --- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Dec-28-07 10:23 AM |
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feingold is CORRECT...again. |
QuestionAll |
Dec-27-07 05:37 PM |
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Feingold is wrong in his premise . . . and any one else's premise that believes |
defendandprotect |
Dec-27-07 08:34 PM |
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Not true at all and clearly you do not understand the basic nature of tyrany |
ThomWV |
Dec-28-07 07:58 AM |
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They seem to be doing a hell of a job of it in Iraq. |
Wcross |
Dec-28-07 08:24 AM |
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Don't give up your guns ... |
avenger64 |
Dec-27-07 06:39 PM |
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Gonna throw it out there that the 2nd amendment says nothing about the right to sell arms |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-27-07 10:38 PM |
#75 |
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Actually it would be much simpler to use legislation to give a definition to "Arms" |
ThomWV |
Dec-28-07 07:58 AM |
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Works for me --- let's extend that to all nations, as well---!!! |
defendandprotect |
Dec-28-07 10:25 AM |
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Ideas like that make me more glad than ever that I own a milling machine |
slackmaster |
Dec-28-07 10:31 AM |
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No more effective than banning the sale of pot, cocaine, and heroin... |
benEzra |
Dec-29-07 09:40 AM |
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What specifically causes you to reject Feingold's premise ? |
hansberrym |
Dec-29-07 10:26 AM |
#103 |
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Russ Feingold for President! |
Swamp Rat |
Dec-29-07 03:32 PM |
#107 |
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